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section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
Can we please get a working poker table game application in game? Personally I hate DABO. I would much rather win GPL or EC or Dilithum or even ZEN from my fellow players in a Texas Holdem game aboard my ship. As many game engines as there are out there surely there is one that can be integrated into STO. Heck why not install Hoyle's Casino with a Star Trek version on Risa? It would give the place a nice feel and make the Ferengi Consortium bid for the Dyson Sphere go up...it would be profitable.
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  • r24681012r24681012 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    unfortunatly there would be legal issues with underage gambling they would have to put game rating up to 18 i have also asked for this as well in the past but the legal issues is whats stopping it
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    cant see how there would be legal issues if there is no way to cash out of the game.
    i think its likely a 'moral' position they have taken.
  • r24681012r24681012 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    there is legal issues as dabo is a made up game and poker is not and from what i gather from the last thread i put up about this people would be gambling with real money so i am told because they will buy lock box>sell items from it on exchange for ec the gamble the ec on poker thats what i have been told
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    As much as I'd love for the game's rating to change driving some of the know it all kids out, no they won't do that because it's A) Underage Gambling and B) The ESRB would have to recertify the game as M not T.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    r24681012 wrote: »
    unfortunatly there would be legal issues with underage gambling they would have to put game rating up to 18 i have also asked for this as well in the past but the legal issues is whats stopping it
    r24681012 wrote: »
    there is legal issues as dabo is a made up game and poker is not and from what i gather from the last thread i put up about this people would be gambling with real money so i am told because they will buy lock box>sell items from it on exchange for ec the gamble the ec on poker thats what i have been told

    Legal issues for having Poker in STO? That's complete BS.

    The mere fact that we've the lock box gambling system already in place is proof enough that the two of you are incorrect.
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Legal issues for having Poker in STO? That's complete BS.

    The mere fact that we've the lock box gambling system already in place is proof enough that the two of you are incorrect.

    The difference is, and this is a very fine line, with lockboxes the "gamble" is what item you're going to get. You're going to get something out of a lockbox. With poker, there's no garuntee you'll win each hand therefore by legal terms making that gambling.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    cant see how there would be legal issues if there is no way to cash out of the game.
    i think its likely a 'moral' position they have taken.

    a moral issue to use lockboxes to make as much money as they can of kids who see shinies and people who dont know any better? with that non thought aside.


    you can play poker without betting on anything, just a simple game of poker in a relaxed place. however i am not any good at poker, with my luck as rotten is it is most days as well as trying my hand at a few games over the years, i wont play it. not out of malice or anything, just that its just a waste of effort i would rather waste elsewhere on something else.

    judging from what taco stated last week about these games, i dont think he would be able to get around to poker and what not, especially with the expansion later in the year.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    As much as I'd love for the game's rating to change driving some of the know it all kids out, no they won't do that because it's A) Underage Gambling and B) The ESRB would have to recertify the game as M not T.

    Is the ESRB relevant to an online game?

    And, surely, lock boxes and dabo represent gambling in game now.

    The argument that dabo is a made up gambling game doesnt hold water.

    Otherwise gambling companies would just make up new games to gamble on and be allowed to not be held by their regulations.

    Poker, ingame, would be canon. We saw enough games of poker in TNG. Data even had the little dealers visor.

    I can see no good reason not to have poker ingame.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    The difference is, and this is a very fine line, with lockboxes the "gamble" is what item you're going to get. You're going to get something out of a lockbox. With poker, there's no garuntee you'll win each hand therefore by legal terms making that gambling.
    If that truly is the case, and that's a big if, and that's even if this is true, then a simple solution would be to reward each player the minimum for participating.

    Lets say we're playing with Energy Credits. Regardless of your win or loss, you're rewarded with 10 Energy Credits (daily) for participation, thus you've earned something. It's an extremely small amount, but it is something, thus you're not going home empty handed.

    It really is that simple.
    you can play poker without betting on anything, just a simple game of poker in a relaxed place. however i am not any good at poker, with my luck as rotten is it is most days as well as trying my hand at a few games over the years, i wont play it. not out of malice or anything, just that its just a waste of effort i would rather waste elsewhere on something else.
    Poker (at least in reality) is all about having the right hands, knowing when to use them, and knowing the people you're playing against.

    Virtual Poker should be easier. Cards are random, and you can't see your contenders, thus bluffing takes on a whole new meaning.
    yjudging from what taco stated last week about these games, i dont think he would be able to get around to poker and what not, especially with the expansion later in the year.
    Poker is one of those requests that does frequently pop up, thus it's obviously a favoured game among players. It would be a shame to ignore that.
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  • section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    What if playing "Poker" rewarded the player with a lock box? There goes the non-reward aspect of the game. They could use the Lobi as the currency for playing poker. Oh and I checked the ESRB rating for Hoyle's Casino is T for teen. I do believe that is the same rating to play STO so there goes that argument

    Come on guys the game is cannon to Star Trek and should be included as part of the ship lounge if nothing else so you and your crew could play together. The morality aspect went moot with the introduction of lockboxes and lockbox keys. By adding the poker games you also open up a new avenue of entertainment that would broaden your customer base. You could even set up your own site or co-op with Pure-Play.com to have them have a STO themed game available.

    Where there is a will there is a way.... make the game versatile and attract more players.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Oh look another armchair lawyer that graduated from the law school of the People's Court.
    Indeed. I qualified with the common friggin' sense degree. :)
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Poker (at least in reality) is all about having the right hands, knowing when to use them, and knowing the people you're playing against.

    Virtual Poker should be easier. Cards are random, and you can't see your contenders, thus bluffing takes on a whole new meaning.

    Poker is one of those requests that does frequently pop up, thus it's obviously a favoured game among players. It would be a shame to ignore that.

    ive played a few hands, won a few minor hands, but others i have seen are really good at it, gaining thousands or more, once had enough luck to run the entire table but in the end, the bluffing on the net is not the same as being opposite a group of other players on a table, like sarcasm for example, it doesnt translate over the internet, where as actually being there, you can tell if a player is bluffing or really good at creeping you out of your pot with that cold calculated stare that reminds you of gowron :D.

    ignored? i wouldnt say ignored as just an issue with deadlines. i bet if taco had some time and some freedom to add some things the community would like but doesnt take a lot of time to do like a minigame on sto then it may get added. and this idea of minigames has been discussed over the years on these forums, nothing has really come of it.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2014
    I though STO was no longer rated at all.
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  • section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    artan42 wrote: »
    I though STO was no longer rated at all.


    If that were true we would be flooded by ten year olds and not just the ones who act like ten year olds.
  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    LOL everyone I post on this before the game gone live years ago


    yes the poker is still bee worked on by 1 person if he has the time....

    to make everything right legal wise for poker game...

    the POKER GAME has to bee rep quest poker game

    not going say much but it bee in your rep quest
  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Oh look another armchair lawyer that graduated from the law school of the People's Court. :P

    LOL know your,,,constitutional rights :eek:
  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    TDU2 has a Casino... What is the game rated again?
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    As long as its not Texas Holdem rules it will be great.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    As long as its not Texas Holdem rules it will be great.
    On the contrary, I think these are the rules that we'd need.
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  • edwardianededwardianed Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Oh look another armchair lawyer that graduated from the law school of the People's Court. :P

    Well, as someone that went to actual law school (although in England, we just say university), and is currently a practising constitutional lawyer, I can confirm that (at least in the EU and the US) the legal excuse is bull****. The ability to buy currency is STO and use it in hypothetical gambling is a non-issue, as in legal terms it isn't gambling at all, as your winnings would have no cash value and can not be withdrawn. The purchase of Zen is a single complete transaction and in the eyes of the court the transaction ends there; what you do with the legally worthless virtual currency from that point is between you and the Terms of Service at PWE.

    It's the same as "gambling" with Monopoly money in a poker game; the money has no real-world value and is not redeemable with the manufacturer of Monopoly for actual currency, hence, not gambling.

    (Also, online games aren't rated by the ESRB, unless voluntarily.)
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    On the contrary, I think these are the rules that we'd need.

    I don't remember them playing that in TNG. Lots of 5 card draw and stud I think, much better rules.
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  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    arnthebard wrote: »
    If that were true we would be flooded by ten year olds and not just the ones who act like ten year olds.

    We have a young lad in our fed fleet who joined when he was 9 and is now more competant than some grown adults at the age of 11.
    I'm not saying the game is teeming with youngsters as in this example but he is a reasonable player, polite, eager to learn and a good fleet contributor. Had I not heard him in team chat one day I would never have even asked his age.
    We make efforts to make sure our fleet chat is reasonably clean as a result but I am happy to have the lil fella in our fleet. I don't think age in all cases makes a difference to gameplay.
    And he spends ec at the dabo table from time to time, but the way I see it is its not real money so why not.
    I see no problem having poker or any other gambling game in sto so long as its not done with real money I don't see any issues really.
    What would be nice is tri demensional chess, I know I'd spend hours playing that.
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