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dem613dem613 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
Do you think it will cost money, or do you think it will be automatically updated?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well thus far Cryptic has been pretty insisting that all content will be free to play.

    Of cause, both times, in terms of STO (F2P change and LoR) it was under DSthal, and the new guy seems kinda happy about making everything moneys.

    I still think that the next expansion will be free, and have a sort of "starter pack" like LOR had.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • damix4damix4 Member Posts: 609 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Updated for free.
  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Definitely updated for free.

    It is going to raise the level cap, though, so they'll make their money by selling us all the new Tier 6 ships and such.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Definitely updated for free.

    It is going to raise the level cap, though, so they'll make their money by selling us all the new Tier 6 ships and such.

    So you really think they will commit economical suicide?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Definitely updated for free.

    It is going to raise the level cap, though, so they'll make their money by selling us all the new Tier 6 ships and such.
    I an quite certain the game will not be adding T6 ships; though I do believe the new Expansion will be a Level Cap increase.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well, I'll put it this way, they may not introduce tier 6 ships performance-wise, but they will definitely introduce ships, mechanics, what have you, that can only be used at the new level cap. They'd be fools not to.

    A level cap increase is the best way for them to address the balance issues in the game, you can make everyone "more powerful" and still make the sort of fixes that would otherwise be decried as nerfs.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Updated for free, but hoo BOY is there going to be a glut of C-store ships in shiny packs.

    I sure as hell hope that they don't raise the level cap, though. At least, not without automatically upgrading literally everything in the game to go along with it...

    Ugh. Vertical expansions SUCK. :mad::(
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Of cause, both times, in terms of STO (F2P change and LoR) it was under DSthal, and the new guy seems kinda happy about making everything moneys

    I don't think there's any evidence of that. We've received quite a few freebies under D'Angelo; bank space upgrades, free ship slots. Trait re-specs were de-monetised!
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    walshicus wrote: »
    I don't think there's any evidence of that. We've received quite a few freebies under D'Angelo; bank space upgrades, free ship slots. Trait re-specs were de-monetised!

    Well he gotta change public opinion about him...

    BUT, I am got going to argue that... I was here last time, I remember how changes were made and how much of my resources were lost under his "tender" care... I suppose time will tell.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah, Tier 6 ships are a big no-no. I'll be quitting the game if that happens.

    I say the content will be free. Starter and "Legacy" packs will probably be included, so maybe they'll drop a ton of new ships and/or playable species.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Definitely updated for free.

    It is going to raise the level cap, though, so they'll make their money by selling us all the new Tier 6 ships and such.
    I believe they said that all tier 6 ships will merely be upgrades of our existing ships.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well he gotta change public opinion about him...

    BUT, I am got going to argue that... I was here last time, I remember how changes were made and how much of my resources were lost under his "tender" care... I suppose time will tell.

    Well to be fair, as I was there as well, it's kinda unclear was just how much of that was his decision and how much was him stuck with what others had come up with before he took the helm. To me it felt like he had to make the transition work while a certain someone else took a joyride. And when it was all over that someone came back again while D'Angelo took the blame for things he implemented but probably didn't conceive.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    All game content is F2P. The only thing that will be sold for money will be a starter pack or something if they have any giant bundle of items releasing with the expansion like they did with LOR.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There is not really a single person to blame. It is not as though Cryptic decided on Monday to go FTP and it was implemented on Friday. It was months in the planning and involved a lot of different divisions of the company even before they starting making any changes. It is like the new Expansion Pack. There are probably a lot of ideas from a lot of people and divisions in the new EP - from Jack all the way down. Geko started working on it in December and we probably will not see it until Fall or early Winter. That is how long these things stay in the planning stage. STO could have a new head honcho before the EP even makes it out.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Definitely updated for free.

    It is going to raise the level cap, though, so they'll make their money by selling us all the new Tier 6 ships and such.

    The devs have said a handful of times that T6 ships are never going to be on the table, ever, even if they increase the level cap.
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah they said no to T6. And if I remember right, they also said No to a level cap....then again so did Square when they capped FFXI at 75 and we're now maxxed at 99.... Who knows. As for will it cost money, Doubtful, but then again this is speculation so it's just my opinion.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Like LoR, I expect it to be put in for free, but there will be "Legacy" and "Starter" packs that could have any number of cosmetic or pay-4-convenience goodies inside, along with in-game titles and forum titles.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    Yeah they said no to T6. And if I remember right, they also said No to a level cap....then again so did Square when they capped FFXI at 75 and we're now maxxed at 99.... Who knows. As for will it cost money, Doubtful, but then again this is speculation so it's just my opinion.

    They never said No to a level cap. In fact quite the opposite. When they first raised the level cap from 40 to 50 back in the day, they posted a comprehensive plan for future level caps.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Like LoR, I expect it to be put in for free, but there will be "Legacy" and "Starter" packs that could have any number of cosmetic or pay-4-convenience goodies inside, along with in-game titles and forum titles.

    Quite so.

    Although we are pretty sure we are not getting a new faction, there will obviously be some sort of themed centre to the expansion.

    I'd expect that would be adding new ships or something to the cstore.

    Cryptic will monetarise it by offering a bundle.

    As for what they'll be bundling there's lots of room for speculation.

    Mirror Universe versions of everything?
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I have high hopes for the next Expansion ... for the single reason that in no way shape or form can they TRIBBLE up as badly as making a "good Romulan" half-faction .
    ( ... unless they make the Expansion Enemy the "Evil Talaxian Empire" bent on Galactic Conquest ... -- in which case you can haz my stuff ... :P)
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I an quite certain the game will not be adding T6 ships; though I do believe the new Expansion will be a Level Cap increase.

    T6 ships will be a tricky bit , as I don't believe they will call them that , but I see more and more 5 Tac console & 5 Forward Weapon slot ships making their way into the future ships line ... , which for me are T5.5 ships .

    Plus I also think that Mk14 gear is not out of the question at this point -- be it in this Expansion , or by this time next year .
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Quite so.

    Although we are pretty sure we are not getting a new faction, there will obviously be some sort of themed centre to the expansion.

    I'd expect that would be adding new ships or something to the cstore.

    Cryptic will monetarise it by offering a bundle.

    As for what they'll be bundling there's lots of room for speculation.

    Mirror Universe versions of everything?

    Ideally, more ship material options and/or paintjobs.

    And maybe a few ships we haven't seen yet.
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  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    I have high hopes for the next Expansion ... for the single reason that in no way shape or form can they TRIBBLE up as badly as making a "good Romulan" half-faction .
    ( ... unless they make the Expansion Enemy the "Evil Talaxian Empire" bent on Galactic Conquest ... -- in which case you can haz my stuff ... :P)



    T6 ships will be a tricky bit , as I don't believe they will call them that , but I see more and more 5 Tac console & 5 Forward Weapon slot ships making their way into the future ships line ... , which for me are T5.5 ships .

    Plus I also think that Mk14 gear is not out of the question at this point -- be it in this Expansion , or by this time next year .


    Their is no next Expansion the content has all ways been their...
    with 1 dev working on pvp I don't expect anything good to ever come from Cryptic...

    if their was a Expansion it would have bee to replace the junk dps system...
    and add life in the STO universe...
    yes life animals, people and soo on...
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    T6 ships will be a tricky bit , as I don't believe they will call them that , but I see more and more 5 Tac console & 5 Forward Weapon slot ships making their way into the future ships line ... , which for me are T5.5 ships .

    Plus I also think that Mk14 gear is not out of the question at this point -- be it in this Expansion , or by this time next year .
    I think what we are going to see is new Admiral abilities. Each new Level will add something different. One level will unlock a new Admiral Skill - summon Fleet. Another level will unlock an extra Trait slot. Another level will unlock an extra Console slot on whichever existing ship ship you are using, etc. I do not think we will see major changes to the ships, just what we can do with the ships.

    And I do expect new gear. That seems to be the purpose for Rep systems, and I am certain any new EP will come with a new type of Rep as well - and existing Reps will probably have a new Tier to unlock the next level of gear.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Their is no next Expansion the content has all ways been their...
    with 1 dev working on pvp I don't expect anything good to ever come from Cryptic...

    if their was a Expansion it would have bee to replace the junk dps system...
    and add life in the STO universe...
    yes life animals, people and soo on...
    Expansions primarily add new content. Seasons primarily add system changes. If they were going to change the DPS system it would most-likely be done in a Season.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Their is no next Expansion the content has all ways been their...
    with 1 dev working on pvp I don't expect anything good to ever come from Cryptic...

    if their was a Expansion it would have bee to replace the junk dps system...
    and add life in the STO universe...
    yes life animals, people and soo on...

    If you're just waiting on pvp then yeah, you'll probably never be happy to be fair. As towards the OP's original question I expect it to be free with like the Iconian said starter packs etc to be sold to make $$ (plus give aways and such).

    I do think we will see finally the update for the level cap, Tier 6 "upgrades" for ships, and my HOPES for it are crafting overhaul (doubtful since that's been talked about for a long time now) and the ability to have our roster of ships captained by our boffs into battle, making us command a fleet (which i'm KINDA thinking may happen but not holding my breath at this point on that).
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  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I think what we are going to see is new Admiral abilities. Each new Level will add something different. One level will unlock a new Admiral Skill - summon Fleet. Another level will unlock an extra Trait slot. Another level will unlock an extra Console slot on whichever existing ship ship you are using, etc. I do not think we will see major changes to the ships, just what we can do with the ships.

    And I do expect new gear. That seems to be the purpose for Rep systems, and I am certain any new EP will come with a new type of Rep as well - and existing Reps will probably have a new Tier to unlock the next level of gear.



    what do what more rep and skills or traits...
    I pick none of them I what a ship that works
    right not this plastic system they keep add on too..

    I asked before the game gone live back in the day to replace the DPS
    I what fire my weapons at the right range...

    WHEN EVERYONE BOUGHT THE GAME AND ODERED IT WE WAS MAID TO BELEVE IT WOULD HAVE SOME STRTEGY PART TO IT NOT THIS KIDY BS SPAMM SPACE BAR...
  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    askray wrote: »
    If you're just waiting on pvp then yeah, you'll probably never be happy to be fair. As towards the OP's original question I expect it to be free with like the Iconian said starter packs etc to be sold to make $$ (plus give aways and such).

    I do think we will see finally the update for the level cap, Tier 6 "upgrades" for ships, and my HOPES for it are crafting overhaul (doubtful since that's been talked about for a long time now) and the ability to have our roster of ships captained by our boffs into battle, making us command a fleet (which i'm KINDA thinking may happen but not holding my breath at this point on that).

    To be fair my not holding my breath eather or give any more $$$ to Cryptic...
    I given more then 12,000$ to Cryptic... on this game for my family and me
    are age group is 35+
    we have more Money to speed but Cryptic will not see any of it

    none of my concerns or request have been implemented in game
    and I'm not alone on this...

    Tier 6 ship is joke with all do respect... I do not what to play STO with a NPC
    nor ground any more... it's boring me to death...

    commanding a fleet really sound to good to bee true .....
    ;)
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Sto expansion #2 the legacy of more lockbox money.
  • masterfiretrollmasterfiretroll Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I Don't know about any expansion.
    They my call it a expansion but it's not.....

    As for more lockbox money that's 100% to true..
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yogurt hit it right on...

    "Perhaps we'll all meet again in [Star Trek Expansion] 2, The Search for More Money!"

    :P
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