There were people saying if we could lose EC and use GPL for it. Because GPL isn't much used these days anymore, part from the disco balls.
I think if we get EC out of the game and change it for GPL we have it more cannon. because I never hear in the show talking about energy credits, they only talk about GPL or Dilithium Crystals .
So your thoughts ??
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Credits exist in Star Trek. The Federation invested a lot of credits in Kirk and Mr. Spock. And the bartender on Deep Space K-7 tried selling Tribbles to Uhura for credits.
Well, would making attaining the wall and floor trophies alot easier. But it'll be like activating a trainer or dev console commands during a multiplayer match, atleast to me it'll be like that.
I would be thrilled if they changed the name from energy credits to Latium.
It's a disgrace to the canon they didn't call the game currency Latium.
Just like its a disgrace they didn't call the "foundry" the Holodeck.
The use of Credits long predates the invention of GPL in Trek canon.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
GPL is not a currency of the federation. Credits are.
Not to mention that when you store Latinum in one of your stomachs, you can lose your hair.
And Credits are not a currency in the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Empire/Republic.
Since you mostly need it for trading and trading involves trade outside the federation its reasonable to use a currency everyone accepts.
Honestly.... replacing Credits with Latinum not only by name but making Latinum a currency to use between players would be a fun approach. Kind of an economy reset.... because that is sooooo screwed up in this game now...
Do you really want to bring the Ferengi consortium aka organized crime into the Federation? GPL is like gold today in very, very few countries is it considered currency. Today's paper money is like EC it is taken everywhere and is easily used. Think of EC as Electronic Currency. It works in ATM's all over the world or galaxy in STO.
I would be thrilled if they changed the name from energy credits to Latium.
It's a disgrace to the canon they didn't call the game currency Latium.
Just like its a disgrace they didn't call the "foundry" the Holodeck.
I think the real disgrace is to call LatinumLatium.
Energy credit was used as a limited currency in Voyager, where the energy was under rationing, and crewmen used to trade it amongst themselves.
Back during one of these "currency discussions", I've postulated:
Converting GPL stocks to EC, and converting all GPL sources to EC. (Doffing, Dabo primarily).
Converting Lobi back to GPL.
As I think of it, why are the valuable as all heck starships, etc. being paid for by cheap non-existent crystals, while the nigh-worthless disco balls and holo emitters are using the most valuable currency in the galaxy... Name swap would be appropriate here...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Back during one of these "currency discussions", I've postulated:
Converting GPL stocks to EC, and converting all GPL sources to EC. (Doffing, Dabo primarily).
Converting Lobi back to GPL.
As I think of it, why are the valuable as all heck starships, etc. being paid for by cheap non-existent crystals, while the nigh-worthless disco balls and holo emitters are using the most valuable currency in the galaxy... Name swap would be appropriate here...
I think one of the biggest issue is laws. If gpl was a real currency ingame, that would mean you would be able to "gamble" for it (IE playing dabo). And some countries have very strict laws about that.
I think one of the biggest issue is laws. If gpl was a real currency ingame, that would mean you would be able to "gamble" for it (IE playing dabo). And some countries have very strict laws about that.
No.
Gaming laws only are about actual currency.
Currencies in a Video game have as much to do with that as Monopoly money has. Which is nothing.
I disabled autocorrect in pretty much everything because of that.
I think one of the biggest issue is laws. If gpl was a real currency ingame, that would mean you would be able to "gamble" for it (IE playing dabo). And some countries have very strict laws about that.
Ah so you say gambling for lockboxes puting in 200 euro for lockboxes in hope you win a ship is not gambling ???
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
No.
Gaming laws only are about actual currency.
Currencies in a Video game have as much to do with that as Monopoly money has. Which is nothing.
Not so sure. On GW1 we had a nerf to the rock/paper/scissor emote because people used it to gamble, and it was breaking some laws. Yet, they used ingame currency.
Ah so you say gambling for lockboxes puting in 200 euro for lockboxes in hope you win a ship is not gambling ???
Lockbox are not gamble, because you ALWAYS win something. At the very least, lobis, and doff pack. Yes, pretty much everyone is disappointed by this kind of reward, but that's beside the point. Your personal opinion on how the reward suck or not doesn't matter. You had a reward, and the reward is clearly mentioned as one of the prize.
I'd like to see a GPL/EC exchange, along the lines of the current dilithium/zen exchange.
If I could turn GPL into EC, then it'd be a permanent use for the currency beyond the current uses for doffing and a pitifully badly stocked store.
That would be nice, because everything else they lockdown on us to sell. Like the romulan pistols and split beam rifle, you can't sell it anymore in the early days you did get EC for selling the stuff from your new ship after it went F2P they changed it to 0.
And there were some more stuff they locked from selling it or trading it.
So yeah it would be great if you could change Dill into EC or GPL into EC But I doubt it will happen.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Not so sure. On GW1 we had a nerf to the rock/paper/scissor emote because people used it to gamble, and it was breaking some laws. Yet, they used ingame currency.
Lockbox are not gamble, because you ALWAYS win something. At the very least, lobis, and doff pack. Yes, pretty much everyone is disappointed by this kind of reward, but that's beside the point. Your personal opinion on how the reward suck or not doesn't matter. You had a reward, and the reward is clearly mentioned as one of the prize.
It's not really the disappointment thats bugging me on that topic it's more like how they do it. Same Issue with that warp core, you have to buy the whole damn ship to get it. why couldn't they make it a swap the core from the storyline from worf and with few extra lobi you get the correct one so you can complete the set. They still would make money on them only a bit less.
But that said I agree with you sometimes they make decisions I do not understand.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Also the problem with the lobi store and lockbox winnings once deleted you just lost it there is no way of getting it back you have to buy it or win it back from the store ...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Don't remove EC entirely from the game. It has a potential role.
The way I see it, EC is basically just replicator fuel. So it would be used to pay for things in the replicator, and to requisition items from your faction's vendors.
GPL is basically a universal currency, courtesy of the Ferengi. So it would be used by non-faction vendors (like those arms merchants who don't currently sell anything remotely useful, but who would under this system sell more unique weapons), and in the Exchange.
Basically, EC isn't a currency. It's a fuel. GPL is a currency. So really it should be used as such.
Also we really should be consuming dilithium in order to fly our ships. That would make things interesting.
My toons have GPL simply because sometimes I just wanna kick back in STO and not play STFs, main story missions or grind for dilithium. So what do I do? I play Dabo a bit. They are useful to those "Dabo" development missions where I hope to win 100 GPL or 300 GPL with a critical success.
More importantly, I use GPL for those rare trade Doff missions where you trade 1,500 GLP for one or two Contraband with a normal success.
Let's just say you only get one Contraband from a successful missions. Let's also assuming I am terrible at Dabo; is need to spend 15,000 ECs to win 1,500 GPLs. But even then it is still cheaper than directly buying Contraband from the Exchange which currently cost 40,000 EC.
Of course the Doff mission can fail so there is a chance that the 15,000 EC investment can be lost.
You *get* something, that doesn't mean you *win* something.
You win when you get something that is worth more than a key.
According to your definition, then you always win.
The doff packs you win are 200 zen if you buy them (and the gammas are about equivalent to the rom survivor packs, which are 275). The normal boosts are also 200 zen equivalents, if you were able to buy them (based on the 1000 bonus xp, which you can buy). The weapons, etc. are a bit iffier, but they are better than the melee weapon pack, which is 300 zen. The traits I would put with the weapons (though Cryptic would probably price them similar to the playable races, or the c-store boffs, at 5-600 zen). The mirror ships are the equivalent of the 120k dil ships, which converted to zen at current rates is about 780 zen. And the grand prize is the equivalent of the normal T5 ships sold at 2500 zen.
And then add lobi on top of it, which we can convert to ec, which can be used to figure the zen value of each lobi (which, if my calculations are correct, is about 5-6 zen per lobi).
So, anything you can get will be worth more than the 125 zen it takes to buy the key. Ergo, you win.
Comments
It exists in canon.
Not to mention that when you store Latinum in one of your stomachs, you can lose your hair.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
And Credits are not a currency in the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Empire/Republic.
Since you mostly need it for trading and trading involves trade outside the federation its reasonable to use a currency everyone accepts.
Honestly.... replacing Credits with Latinum not only by name but making Latinum a currency to use between players would be a fun approach. Kind of an economy reset.... because that is sooooo screwed up in this game now...
Energy credit was used as a limited currency in Voyager, where the energy was under rationing, and crewmen used to trade it amongst themselves.
Converting GPL stocks to EC, and converting all GPL sources to EC. (Doffing, Dabo primarily).
Converting Lobi back to GPL.
As I think of it, why are the valuable as all heck starships, etc. being paid for by cheap non-existent crystals, while the nigh-worthless disco balls and holo emitters are using the most valuable currency in the galaxy... Name swap would be appropriate here...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
I think one of the biggest issue is laws. If gpl was a real currency ingame, that would mean you would be able to "gamble" for it (IE playing dabo). And some countries have very strict laws about that.
No.
Gaming laws only are about actual currency.
Currencies in a Video game have as much to do with that as Monopoly money has. Which is nothing.
Ah so you say gambling for lockboxes puting in 200 euro for lockboxes in hope you win a ship is not gambling ???
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
When it comes to legality, no. It is not gambling.
No more than trading stock is gambling.
No more than playing Monopoly is gambling.
You don't get real life money for opening chanceboxes -- and you are guaranteed to get something, so in the eyes of the law it is not illegal.
Lockbox are not gamble, because you ALWAYS win something. At the very least, lobis, and doff pack. Yes, pretty much everyone is disappointed by this kind of reward, but that's beside the point. Your personal opinion on how the reward suck or not doesn't matter. You had a reward, and the reward is clearly mentioned as one of the prize.
If I could turn GPL into EC, then it'd be a permanent use for the currency beyond the current uses for doffing and a pitifully badly stocked store.
That would be nice, because everything else they lockdown on us to sell. Like the romulan pistols and split beam rifle, you can't sell it anymore in the early days you did get EC for selling the stuff from your new ship after it went F2P they changed it to 0.
And there were some more stuff they locked from selling it or trading it.
So yeah it would be great if you could change Dill into EC or GPL into EC But I doubt it will happen.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
It's not really the disappointment thats bugging me on that topic it's more like how they do it. Same Issue with that warp core, you have to buy the whole damn ship to get it. why couldn't they make it a swap the core from the storyline from worf and with few extra lobi you get the correct one so you can complete the set. They still would make money on them only a bit less.
But that said I agree with you sometimes they make decisions I do not understand.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Also the problem with the lobi store and lockbox winnings once deleted you just lost it there is no way of getting it back you have to buy it or win it back from the store ...
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
The way I see it, EC is basically just replicator fuel. So it would be used to pay for things in the replicator, and to requisition items from your faction's vendors.
GPL is basically a universal currency, courtesy of the Ferengi. So it would be used by non-faction vendors (like those arms merchants who don't currently sell anything remotely useful, but who would under this system sell more unique weapons), and in the Exchange.
Basically, EC isn't a currency. It's a fuel. GPL is a currency. So really it should be used as such.
Also we really should be consuming dilithium in order to fly our ships. That would make things interesting.
More importantly, I use GPL for those rare trade Doff missions where you trade 1,500 GLP for one or two Contraband with a normal success.
Let's just say you only get one Contraband from a successful missions. Let's also assuming I am terrible at Dabo; is need to spend 15,000 ECs to win 1,500 GPLs. But even then it is still cheaper than directly buying Contraband from the Exchange which currently cost 40,000 EC.
Of course the Doff mission can fail so there is a chance that the 15,000 EC investment can be lost.
According to your definition, then you always win.
The doff packs you win are 200 zen if you buy them (and the gammas are about equivalent to the rom survivor packs, which are 275). The normal boosts are also 200 zen equivalents, if you were able to buy them (based on the 1000 bonus xp, which you can buy). The weapons, etc. are a bit iffier, but they are better than the melee weapon pack, which is 300 zen. The traits I would put with the weapons (though Cryptic would probably price them similar to the playable races, or the c-store boffs, at 5-600 zen). The mirror ships are the equivalent of the 120k dil ships, which converted to zen at current rates is about 780 zen. And the grand prize is the equivalent of the normal T5 ships sold at 2500 zen.
And then add lobi on top of it, which we can convert to ec, which can be used to figure the zen value of each lobi (which, if my calculations are correct, is about 5-6 zen per lobi).
So, anything you can get will be worth more than the 125 zen it takes to buy the key. Ergo, you win.
tl;dr: You're full of TRIBBLE, so stop it.