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dark4blooddark4blood Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
They give us a ship that should have been part of the original Tier 5 ships, AND they still favor the Federation significantly over the Klingons. Weren't they supposed to release a new Klingon ships before this, and why did they make almost every other Tier 5 escort obsolete with this new BOFF setup? Even the Kumari doesn't compare to this and that is a 3 pack ship?

I am not complaining about getting a "new" ship, I am complaining about not getting a truly "new" ship. Players want things that are fresh, and one fresh idea would be to start paying attention to ALL factions at the same time while NOT just making copy ships like the new battleships.
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I don't know if you noticed, but Star Trek isn't about Klingons. It's about the Federation. Maybe when "Qo'noS Online" is finished you'll get what you want.

    Seriously, this is like complaining that the Rolling Stones don't release enough dubstep albums.
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  • jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    I don't know if you noticed, but Star Trek isn't about Klingons. It's about the Federation. Maybe when "Qo'noS Online" is finished you'll get what you want.

    Seriously, this is like complaining that the Rolling Stones don't release enough dubstep albums.

    Ds9 is half about klingons
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    I don't know if you noticed, but Star Trek isn't about Klingons. It's about the Federation. Maybe when "Qo'noS Online" is finished you'll get what you want.

    Seriously, this is like complaining that the Rolling Stones don't release enough dubstep albums.

    Nonsense. Serious nonsense.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is Cryptic Studios we're talking about here. They're one of the copy/pasta masters of game development! :D
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    I don't know if you noticed, but Star Trek isn't about Klingons. It's about the Federation. Maybe when "Qo'noS Online" is finished you'll get what you want.

    Seriously, this is like complaining that the Rolling Stones don't release enough dubstep albums.

    Well, tell that to the people who made Star Trek: Klingon, Klingon Honor Guard and Klingon Academy. Your point is basically that Star Wars games shouldn't have decent imperial factions or campaigns since the movies are all about the Republic/Rebel Alliance.
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    When I watched Star Trek I was watching it primarily for Federation stories. Sure, stories about other species was nice, but it's all about the Fed for me.

    My guess is that I fall in to the majority of "Federation first" players. This is something that non-Fed players really need to come to terms with. Failure to do so will ensure a constant and steady stream of disappointment.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I always enjoyed it when the Federation took a beating.
    Maybe that's because I loved DS9.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    When I watched Star Trek I was watching it primarily for Federation stories. Sure, stories about other species was nice, but it's all about the Fed for me.

    My guess is that I fall in to the majority of "Federation first" players. This is something that non-Fed players really need to come to terms with. Failure to do so will ensure a constant and steady stream of disappointment.

    Not everyone did though, I didn't watch it for the Federation, I watched it for the story as a whole, which involved Klingon's and other races.

    It's not call Federation Trek or Starfleet Trek, It's called Star Trek, which include many species under the stars.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    When I watched Star Trek I was watching it primarily for Federation stories. Sure, stories about other species was nice, but it's all about the Fed for me.

    My guess is that I fall in to the majority of "Federation first" players. This is something that non-Fed players really need to come to terms with. Failure to do so will ensure a constant and steady stream of disappointment.

    It's really a healthy thing to do. Sure DS9 was half about the Klingons, but that's one half of one series out of seven series and 12 movies.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Not everyone did though, I didn't watch it for the Federation, I watched it for the story as a whole, which involved Klingon's and other races.

    It's not call Federation Trek or Starfleet Trek, It's called Star Trek, which include many species under the stars.

    I understand that not everyone did, but I'm pretty sure the majority did. Thing is, like it or not, the majority is always catered for first and foremost. This is a way of life and I really don't think it will change.

    It's really a healthy thing to do. Sure DS9 was half about the Klingons, but that's one half of one series out of seven series and 12 movies.

    You really think DS9 was half about the klinks? I'd say that it was mostly about the Feds, then the Bajorans/Cardassians and then the klinks.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It's really a healthy thing to do. Sure DS9 was half about the Klingons, but that's one half of one series out of seven series and 12 movies.
    Wasn't even half. Worf joins ds9 in the 4th season. That means at best half of 4 seasons were about klingons, and it wasn't anywhere near half. More like 1/8th of seasons 4+.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    Star Trek is primarilly Federation Centric. They got to flesh out the Klingons a bit more in DS9, along with the Cardassians, Ferengi, Bajorans...
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    My guess is that I fall in to the majority of "Federation first" players. This is something that non-Fed players really need to come to terms with. Failure to do so will ensure a constant and steady stream of disappointment.

    Which is completely fine, I would have been completely happy with the STO factions as Perpetual envisioned them. With Feds as the only faction in the core game, and other allied factions maybe added later as addons. But Cryptic went the route of starting with two factions so it would have been reasonable to expect that they get the same treatment as in other two-faction MMOs. No other MMO I have ever played has treated one of its two factions that badly. And as I said, the "Star Trek was about the Federation" argument is incredibly stupid. Star Wars was all about the Republic/Rebel Alliance, DC is 90% about superheroes, not villains etc. That didn't keep the imperial/villain factions in their games down. It's just an incredibly cheap excuse.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    the fed motto " Omnes Nos Quasi Eius"
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You really think DS9 was half about the klinks? I'd say that it was mostly about the Feds, then the Bajorans/Cardassians and then the klinks.
    stf65 wrote: »
    Wasn't even half. Worf joins ds9 in the 4th season. That means at best half of 4 seasons were about klingons, and it wasn't anywhere near half. More like 1/8th of seasons 4+.

    I was being generous. :P
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    There's more Fed content to work with. It kinda makes sense that there would be more Fed content, as they have more to work with. KDF and Romulans... they got less source material to work off of, so they gotta spend more time trying to figure out if something fits than it does Fed side.
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  • ivantomdisplayivantomdisplay Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Who cares! Klingons won the war!
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  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    None of this matters.

    The only thing that matters, is what makes money for Cryptic.

    We can make an estimated $14,000 from a Klingon ship, OR $48,000 from a Fed ship....

    Guess who gets a new ship...
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jestersage wrote: »
    Ds9 is half about klingons

    Wut?

    Oh wait, the Dominion and the Jem Hadar are from TOs..??-
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    I don't know if you noticed, but Star Trek isn't about Klingons. It's about the Federation. Maybe when "Qo'noS Online" is finished you'll get what you want.

    Seriously, this is like complaining that the Rolling Stones don't release enough dubstep albums.

    This is also supposed to be a multi faction MMO, where the whole point is to have multiple factions with a different spin on the game. Most MMOs manage to do this successfully there is little excuse as to why Cryptic can't.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    dark4blood wrote: »
    ......and why did they make almost every other Tier 5 escort obsolete with this new BOFF setup? Even the Kumari doesn't compare to this and that is a 3 pack ship?

    As an escort pilot I can tell you with all certainty that all fed escorts have been obsolete for a very long time. This new escort? Its still not up to Warbird standards, nevermind certain lockbox ships. The best of the fed escorts was probably the Fleet HEC, but even then, not up to current ship standards.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    This is also supposed to be a multi faction MMO, where the whole point is to have multiple factions with a different spin on the game. Most MMOs manage to do this successfully there is little excuse as to why Cryptic can't.

    Okay, tell people to stop making Fed Battlecloak threads then. :P
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Personally, I'm glad they are getting back to the 'Ships of 2409' idea; mainly because none of my favourites have a 2409 skin yet (although the LRSV became a favourite after they released the Bellerophon I guess).
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is all funny... because it didn't stop other Star Trek game developers from allowing play outside the Federation, fleshing out non-Starfleet ship lineups, providing non-Federation campaigns, etc.

    Titles like the old Starfleet Command, Birth of the Federation, were the better for it for provding a style of play different and unique from each other, as well as different perspectives of the same scenario or story. It didn't stop modders from including a dizzying array of non-Starfleet ships to go alongside Starfleet models in Bridge Commander mods. It didn't stop past Star Trek game developers from making the classic Klingon Academy.

    Yes, by all means, Star Trek should bury itself in nothing else but the Federation :rolleyes:
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Pretty sure DS9 was more Dominion, Cardassians, and Dirty Bajorans, no where near half Klingons.... TNG had more Klingon than DS9.



    As for this Topic, it's so nice to see the classic threads come back.

    The True FED- KDF war continues





    P.S Fingerless gloves for the love of Q Cryptic come on you gave them to the Romulans :D
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Who cares! Klingons won the war!

    No, Romulans and Cardassians won the war.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jestersage wrote: »
    Ds9 is half about klingons

    Yeah, and the other 3 halves are Federation, Cardassians, Bajorans and the Dominion.

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