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New Patrol Escort: Cruisers rendered even more inferior

krenzikkrenzik Member Posts: 49 Arc User
With the new overpowered features and console slots on the new patrol escort, even the avenger battle cruiser (the only Fed cruiser that can equip dual heavy cannons) is rendered irrelevant. I don't understand the logic here why cruisers are paper thin and inferior compared to smaller vessels in this game.
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    krenzik wrote: »
    With the new overpowered features and console slots on the new patrol escort, even the avenger battle cruiser (the only Fed cruiser that can equip dual heavy cannons) is rendered irrelevant. I don't understand the logic here why cruisers are paper thin and inferior compared to smaller vessels in this game.

    Really? Did they nerf a2b and faw while I wasn't looking?;)
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    krenzik wrote: »
    With the new overpowered features and console slots on the new patrol escort, even the avenger battle cruiser (the only Fed cruiser that can equip dual heavy cannons) is rendered irrelevant. I don't understand the logic here why cruisers are paper thin and inferior compared to smaller vessels in this game.

    The Avenger isn't the only Federation cruiser that can equip dual cannons, just the only one that can use them effectively, dual cannons are not a must have, a decent broadside build will wreck enemies just as well and if you think that cruisers are paper thin and inferior you seriously need to learn how to play them.
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  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 925 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You can't be serious. After nearly a year of A2b BS, they finally cut out the middle man and bring the DakkaDakka-ingest build gimmick ever to go live in the game to the DPS ships, and the day before they're released the contemporary golden boys are already bawwing.

    Have some dignity, people.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Really? Did they nerf a2b and faw while I wasn't looking?;)


    No they just made it easy to do in a escort now
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I gotta admit, I do kind of wish that Phaser Arrays are not an allowed option on this thing.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The Avenger isn't the only Federation cruiser that can equip dual cannons, just the only one that can use them effectively, dual cannons are not a must have, a decent broadside build will wreck enemies just as well and if you think that cruisers are paper thin and inferior you seriously need to learn how to play them.

    Indeed if you set your stuff right the NPC Enemy have a hard time with the cruiser, I got a hell of a Negh'Var Class, but I must add an extra Tactical Officer Slot would be nice...
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I take it you don't know cruisers well. Mine has been in battles and came out alive where escorts wouldn't last at all. Comes to survival, I would take a cruiser anytime of the day.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Another 5 tac console ship when the KDF doesn't even have a single good one. "sighs" This only makes the BS about the rep trait nerf even more BS.

    How can you say you want to balance things better and help combat the power creep then release multiple 4/4 5 tac console escorts with dual lt cmdrs?
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Another 5 tac console ship when the KDF doesn't even have a single good one. "sighs" This only makes the BS about the rep trait nerf even more BS.

    How can you say you want to balance things better and help combat the power creep then release multiple 4/4 5 tac console escorts with dual lt cmdrs?
    I think one of the recent podcasts talks about the kdf gettin a bunch of new fleet ships in the near future, including the fleet garumba.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    Fleet GOOMBA!

    Just what I call the Garumba. ^^
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  • asovanraasovanra Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I think it's awesome! I just got an Undine Nicor and slapped a2b on it, now I'll have to get this ship and slap a2b on it too. This was truly a much needed response to the garbage boff layout of the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. Even from a non-a2b perspective, this new escort can take a beating with 2 lt com engi boffs.

    As far as cruisers go, being paper thin, well the original poster clearly has no concept of how to build up a cruiser. My galaxy-x has nearly 70K hull and it can take a serious beating. No complaints here, cruisers serve a very specific and much needed purpose in this game.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Another 5 tac console ship when the KDF doesn't even have a single good one. "sighs" This only makes the BS about the rep trait nerf even more BS.
    The Raptor ship type needs some love IMO. Even Raiders got an update before them.

    Well at least they got a neat Mirror Universe ship.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well there is your proof that they never ever intend to balance tech doffs. RIP sto.
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  • jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    I think one of the recent podcasts talks about the kdf gettin a bunch of new fleet ships in the near future, including the fleet garumba.

    They talked about it about 1 year ago too. Nothign came about either.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    I think one of the recent podcasts talks about the kdf gettin a bunch of new fleet ships in the near future, including the fleet garumba.

    Yeah but they need some *new* ships...unless they're gonna take like the Qorgh and Pach Raptors and give them a substantially new boff layout from the other two it won't make much difference.

    Right now every fleet Escort like ship is practically identical and the only thing really setting the Somraw, Qin, and Scourge apart are the ensign boff slot. Otherwise they're so similar, none of them has 5 tac consoles, where the feds have 4, none of them has any special flavor where as feds have a taste of anything they want.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well there is your proof that they never ever intend to balance tech doffs. RIP sto.

    No, no, no.....you got it all wrong - they intended to balance the game around the tech Doffs. ;)
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Well there is your proof that they never ever intend to balance tech doffs. RIP sto.
    Not until they've made enough money before. Then they might nerf it, enjoy our tears, and make something else incredibly powerful, then start selling ships around it.

    Not so sure though. They really like a2b, and it sells.
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  • krenzikkrenzik Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Another 5 tac console ship when the KDF doesn't even have a single good one. "sighs" This only makes the BS about the rep trait nerf even more BS.

    How can you say you want to balance things better and help combat the power creep then release multiple 4/4 5 tac console escorts with dual lt cmdrs?

    Cruisers are fine during the carebear stuff, even though tanking means absolutely nothing and most ppl get upset when you don't bring an op escort into space stf's, but in pvp they're rendered useless again with the overpowered garbage and universal consoles that should not be mixed together but do. It's like making a WW2 naval game in which one plane can always sink a battleship because it happened once IRL.
  • krenzikkrenzik Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    asovanra wrote: »
    I think it's awesome! I just got an Undine Nicor and slapped a2b on it, now I'll have to get this ship and slap a2b on it too. This was truly a much needed response to the garbage boff layout of the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. Even from a non-a2b perspective, this new escort can take a beating with 2 lt com engi boffs.

    As far as cruisers go, being paper thin, well the original poster clearly has no concept of how to build up a cruiser. My galaxy-x has nearly 70K hull and it can take a serious beating. No complaints here, cruisers serve a very specific and much needed purpose in this game.

    LOL at the Galaxy. As mentioned my ship is nearly impregnable in pve, even though tanking is meaningless in this game and ppl in their escorts and sci ships get upset when a cruiser shows up in stf's. In pvp, with the ability to equip all janky universal consoles to break an odyssey in half in one shot, as well as the lack of any meaningful gimmick consoles to any cruiser, this game follows the logic that one tiny patrol boat with a missle should sink a battleship every time. TRIBBLE poor.
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