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Request for FE: Settle Treaty of Algeron once and for all

jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
I think the only real way to shut down the threads on Fed cloak is have the Fed and KDF and Rom discuss about the treaty.

Either it get resigned or abandoned; it will put to bed the issue either way.
If it gets resigned, that just mean there are no more cloaking Fed ship
If it actually was addressed and abandoned, it means there will be fed cloak ship.

That should shut down half the argument (the other half involves frigates of Fed carriers)
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jestersage wrote: »
    That should shut down half the argument (the other half involves frigates of Fed carriers)

    I doubt that.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Why? The UFP president in office has already stated that the federation cloaking issue is "no more".

    Until the devs put a new president in office and that new president rescinds the order the matter is settled.
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Not really. At no point has anyone said it's not still in effect, so (with notable exceptions of Defiant Retro and Gal-X (Avenger can do one, it should not have a cloak at all)) so everyone should assume that barring those special cases, it is still in effect.

    More specifically, people should stop whining about not getting everything when they play Fed. The factions have differences for a reason - want a cloak or a frigate pet? Roll a Romulan or a Klingon.

    And that's the bottom line.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Fact of the matter is Feds just aren't supposed to have cloaks, its not their style.
    Its just the way they are, the treaty of Algernon just gives a in-universe answer as to "why".

    Just like Lightsabers wielded by Jedi and Sith in Star Wars, and not by every single random stormtrooper.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Change the wording all you want, this is a FED wants cloak thread.:rolleyes:
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The treaty is still in place. There's just no reason to do this.

    If you fly a fed ship and want to be stealthy, use Mask Energy Signature, or one of the various fed ships that already DO have a cloak.

    Battle cloak ain't happening.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    We need a cut scene of the Fed President saying it the first time a character goes to ESD. Then no one can say they did not see it. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Defiant/Gal-X. Why aren't people satisfied with that for a cloak?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    chiyoumiku wrote: »
    Defiant/Gal-X. Why aren't people satisfied with that for a cloak?
    Probably because not every Fed player wants to fly the Defiant or the Galaxy X. They are tired of being vapped in every other ship type and so want to do the vapping with a cloak. :D
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There is nothing to discuss, its mentioned very clearly in the path to 2409 that the treaty is being followed by the Federation and it lists the reasons why.

    Its also an incredibly stupid idea, the factions are barely different as it and giving the feds cloak would be the final nail in that coffin.

    Besides why does everyone think that cloaking is some kind of magical WTFPWN trump card, its not. Most of the time you can't even stay cloaked because some dialogue auto decloaks you.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    There is nothing to discuss, its mentioned very clearly in the path to 2409 that the treaty is being followed by the Federation and it lists the reasons why.
    Unfortunately the Path to 2409 was removed from the game site prior to FTP so the vast majority of new players have very little idea that phrase is even in the Path - or that the Path exists. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah the lore is kind of bundled up entirely in-game now through the Academy dailies.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Path to 2409 was removed from the game site prior to FTP so the vast majority of new players have very little idea that phrase is even in the Path - or that the Path exists. :)

    Then this is what needs to be addressed rather than just throwing cloaking devices on to every ship and ruining what little diversity between factions that still exists.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    Then this is what needs to be addressed rather than just throwing cloaking devices on to every ship and ruining what little diversity between factions that still exists.
    Which is why I said it should be a cut scene the first time every new Fed characters goes to ESD. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    zipagat wrote: »
    Besides why does everyone think that cloaking is some kind of magical WTFPWN trump card, its not. Most of the time you can't even stay cloaked because some dialogue auto decloaks you.

    Because they don't know how to counter it, and rather than learn they want to be able to do it themselves. IMO.

    For PvE, I have no idea why anyone would really cares.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Which is why I said it should be a cut scene the first time every new Fed characters goes to ESD. :)

    That or make it part of the tutorial at the SF Academy in the form of some sort of "test" if you will into Starfleet policy.
  • jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Change the wording all you want, this is a FED wants cloak thread.:rolleyes:

    I am mainly a KDF that flys carrier, and I am just fed up with the Fed want cloak argument.

    By this point, you know Cryptic want to TRIBBLE KDF up. May as well have someway to settle it.
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It won't stop the same requests popping up. The best way to deal with it is just steer clear of any and all threads that mention the idea. Yes that means you'll not be involved in a good 80/90% of the 'debates' in the forum, but think of the time and stress you'll save.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Oh really?

    Then explain why the continued violations of entering the NEutral Zone because the Treaty wasnt just "no cloak for Feds", it also addressed the Romulan Neutral Zone.

    And as I said in another tread, were is Iconia located?
    Because cryptic can't follow their own lore ? That's not new.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Because cryptic can't follow their own lore ? That's not new.

    They traditionally have a terrible tendency to not follow through or show consistency.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    jestersage wrote: »
    I think the only real way to shut down the threads on Fed cloak is have the Fed and KDF and Rom discuss about the treaty.

    Either it get resigned or abandoned; it will put to bed the issue either way.
    If it gets resigned, that just mean there are no more cloaking Fed ship
    If it actually was addressed and abandoned, it means there will be fed cloak ship.

    That should shut down half the argument (the other half involves frigates of Fed carriers)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Kp0JHhSqI

    Took me some time but this is something for those not known to this treaty;
    The treaty reinforced and redefined the Romulan Neutral Zone, and made clear that any violations of the Zone without adequate notification, by either side, would be considered an act of war. (TNG: "The Defector"; ENT: "These Are the Voyages...") The treaty also expressly prohibited the development or use of cloaking device technology by the Federation. Then-Captain Pressman attempted to circumvent this clause in 2358 with the test of a phasing cloaking device developed covertly at least in some part by Starfleet Intelligence aboard the USS Pegasus. (TNG: "The Pegasus")

    While not mentioned on screen, it's possible Section 31 was the part of Starfleet Intelligence responsible for the mandate of, and subsequent cover up for the previously mentioned Phase Cloak Device. (ENT: "These Are the Voyages...")
    On at least one occasion Starfleet created self-replicating mines with cloaking ability, with no mention of Romulan complaints. It is possible that the treaty ban only related to the use of cloaking devices on space-faring vessels. Alternatively, the cloaking devices in the mines may have been Klingon in origin. (DS9: "Call to Arms")

    An exception to the treaty in 2371 allowed for the limited supervised use of at least one cloaking device on loan from the Romulans. Operation of the cloaking device was to be limited to the Gamma Quadrant. In return, the Romulans would receive all information the Federation obtained on the USS Defiant's voyages into the Gamma Quadrant, most importantly any information concerning the Dominion. As such, the Defiant was the only Federation ship to be permanently equipped with a cloaking device. (DS9: "The Search, Part I", "Visionary") However, Captain Benjamin Sisko and his crew violated this amendment on several occasions by using the cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant. (DS9: "The Way of the Warrior", et al)

    According to Sisko, a Romulan officer (T'Rul) was supposed to join the Defiant crew to operate the cloaking device and ensure its safekeeping. However, no Romulan liaison officers were seen aboard the Defiant after DS9: "The Search, Part II".

    In Q's anti-time future, the Federation possessed and openly used cloaking technology. The Romulan Empire had been conquered by the Klingon Empire, which presumably nullified the Treaty. (TNG: "All Good Things...")
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  • sentinel64sentinel64 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I don't want anymore cloak-abled ships for Fed (and I am a major Fed player), but I do want more or better cloak detection and cloak breaking abilities for Feds. An associated ability with these is a temporary survival boost (not guaranteed 100%) to counter the cloak attack modifier.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Oh really?

    Then explain why the continued violations of entering the NEutral Zone because the Treaty wasnt just "no cloak for Feds", it also addressed the Romulan Neutral Zone.

    And as I said in another tread, were is Iconia located?
    I remember being invited into the neutral zone when we first start doing the romulan missions. We've been given permission as a lot of what we're doing is planetary aid. It's either part of the Spock discussion or it's part of the first missions we do in that area. The neutral zone is being waved because they need our help.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    I don't think the Treaty is viable anymore, considering there is no Neutral Zone anymore. Odds are, it became defunct when the supernova hit Romulus.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    The Romulan Neutral Zone is a exclusion area, nobody enters it without permission of both sides.

    Did we got permission to enter Iconia? No, plus we were told by a Commander S'hanclado of the IRW Intrakhu to leave, mind you he does not open fire immediate and only after you stay in the system.
    Yes, we got permission to entier it from the romulans back at level 15 when we first go there. We're all over the neutral zone giving aid, and it's all with romulan permission.

    All if this is just more crappy justification for you wanting a fed cloak. This must be your 50th thread about the treaty already. You give bogus examples of there being no treaty always trying to justify your wanting for a fed cloak. It's not going to happen. Deal with it already.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Change the wording all you want, this is a FED wants cloak thread.:rolleyes:

    It is, and the opening post has used a very old political ploy in attempts to gte that cloak.

    As a politician, when commonsense and logic deride you idea, you instigate a plan to have the thing of your desire drawn to committee in the hopes that the opposition can not keep up defenses on multiple front against your war of attrition.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Which is why I said it should be a cut scene the first time every new Fed characters goes to ESD. :)

    I like your idea.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    Frankly... the Federation should have better anti-cloak capability than what is currently available.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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