Hello Guys,
Hello Ladys,
since the
FLANK Upgrade for Klingon Raider,
Federation Players only have access to the
Breen Plesh Brek Raider
and this ships lacks a Cloack in general.
The Federation don´t have
"Raider" classified Starships,
and they are not allowed to use a Cloacking Devices of any Kind.
( only on a few selected ships )
Reason for that is the "Treaty of Algeron"
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron
The Treaty of Algeron, signed in 2311 by the Romulan Star Empire and the United Federation of Planets, prohibited Federation cloaking devices. This agreement has been a source of controversy in Starfleet, where some officers believed it severely limited tactical options and put the Federation at a disadvantage.
Although the Federation initially agreed to follow the treaty after the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, in early 2409 Starfleet was authorized to develop and implement cloaking technology on selected ships.
What a Dilemma ...
BUT, there are other ways to Cloack, and no i am not talking about "Mask Energy Signature"
The Cloack Idea for Federation "Raider" is based on a
non canon Ship
the
"U.S.S. Incursion (NX-74808)" from the Games "Armada 2" and "Away Team"
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Incursion
i just put the U.S.S. Incursion Link in this post as a Reference
i DO NOT want THIS ship in Star Trek Online
This Post is about a potential Holografic Cloacking Ability
for a future Section 31 Ship or something
This Ship got a
Holografic Cloacking Device for reconnaissance and Intelligence purposes
---> best part (for Cryptic) this Ability is already implemented in the Game
(Hangar Pet - Romulan Drone Ship)
For Players it could work like this:
-- You would have to select a Enemy Ship
"click" on
"Holo-Cloack" and
-- then you would change the appearance into the same Faction
-- for the Enemy this ship would become a Friendly target (like scramble sensors)
Just in case anyone from cryptic is actually picking this up,
PLEASE Make it a BUILD IN Ability NOT a Console
My (open for discussion) Ability Idea:
[Combat Holografic Cloack]
Starship Stealth
=> Shield System offline
OR minus 20 Weapon/Shield/Engine Power
Change appearance into selected Enemy Faction Vessel
+ 4975 Stealth
+ 50 % Defense
After dropping cloak: All Damage + 10% for
TRIBBLE seconds
( not as much Plus Damage as the other Faction, open for debate ^_^ )
Another way of Comat Holo Cloack could work like the "Photonic Displacement Console"
a holografic Ship warps in, Fires on you (no Damage) ->Holografic Warpcore Breach (no damage)
the Hologram flies throw the explosion, and becomes you in disguise
Okay Guys, it is time for a Debate !!
What are you thinking about that?
Comments
Yes, i totally agree with you ^_^
I don´t want the ship either
what do you think about the Holo-Cloack ?
2. The idea of a Federation raider is stupid.
C) Starfleet's already got more unique ships than both of the other factions put together. We've got something for practically every playstyle imaginable. Quit trying to raid the other factions for what little uniqueness they still have. That goes for every Fed, not just the OP.
You want a raider? Roll a KDF and fly a Bird-of-Prey.
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But I do like the idea of introducing holographic camo into the game, though not as a faction/ship specific ability.
In fact something like a holographic masking system would be fantastic as a Tier 5 reward for a future Reputation.
We also have Holoemitters in game (Gold Plated Latinum shop) that makes your ship look like another ship. It's temporary but I think you are still flagged as an enemy ship regardless.
As for changing the look of your ship to your enemy's faction/allied ship... might want to put a timer on it because I foresee situations where players will simply wait you out.
Plus you will have to deal with the mechanic of your Holographic 'Cloak' deactivating every time you use a conversation prompt or an castable skill.
On a side note, the USS Incursion (and the Armada/SCIII games) are licensed by Activision. If Cryptic ever wants that design, they'll have to negotiate with Activision to use it first.
(UFP) Ragnar
Want Battlecloak? Roll a Klingon
The Federation side is good as it is. We still have cloaking devices for thoose that can utilize them...
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on how this hole thing would work ....
i don´t want this Ship, i am aware of the potential problems with Activision
The Holografic Cloack would not make you invisible it is just a way to get rid of Aggro
and a new attack run with a little bit of + Damage when you deaktivate the Holo-Emitter
You can read it in-Game, in the info Section of your "Console - Universal - Cloaking Device"
or here:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Cloaking_Device
More debate then, and less "let's beat this dead horse some more." This one's been beaten into dust repeatedly.
Basically, "Oh, it's this thread again."
Want to cloak? That's what we've got the KDF and Romulans for, roll one of either and knock yourself out.
"...to develop and implement cloaking technology on selected ships." Yup. That would be the two selected ships already in-game with cloaks. Enjoy.
So it is limited to only a select group of people to see and it goes against what is said in the Path to 2409. Starfleet stopped their development on cloaking technology due to trying to repair damaged relations between the Romulan Star Empire and Klingon Empire.
In order for Starfleet to be able to legally use cloaking devices, then it requires something like having some mission have a contact state that since the Federation and Klingon Empire are now allies and the Federation and Klingon Empire recognize the Romulan Republic as the true government of the Romulan people, then the Klingon Empire and Romulan Republic has allowed the Federation to use cloaking ships on certain ships. Without an ingame explanation that everyone can see, then the console explanation is meaningless.
Federation is not allowed to have a Cloacking Device of any kind,
GOT IT,
thank you very much
Then i better not start, the discussion about the other Factions and their level of Holografic Technology....
Romulans sure,
but Klingons and Holografic Technology, a Hologram don´t have Honor
no Glory in defeating a artificial warrior or Holografic Ship
... i better not start ....
That is a very very very good Point !!
i never thought it that way
thank you
okay then good Morning / good evening or good night i am offline
bye
I'm gonna ignore the cloak issue, gotten tired of talking about it so much recently. Instead I will focus on the 'Raider' and 'flanking' part.
OP, you said that the Federation (and really everyone) got access to the Plesh Brek, that's true. Then my question is: Why not just be happy with that? You already GOT what you are asking for, so why ask? Because you want it as a Fed ship, is that all?
I really doubt the devs are gonna give Feds a 'raider' ship at all for any reason. Not to the degree folks seem to think they will. You want the advantages of a Raider, you better be willing to pay for em. And I know most Feds who seem to beg and plead for a Raider with whatever justification they can aren't willing to give up stuff for those extras. Why?
Because I almost never see the Plesh Brek. EVER. Seriously, I might see one at most once a week, maybe twice if I am lucky. Yes I'm sure someone here flies one or has a friend that flies one alot or something, but even so, it's not common. Besides, that is more or less what the devs would roughly give the Feds if they did make a Fed Raider of any kind.
Yup, U.S.S. Doorstop
Anyway... if Cryptic cared for a Fed raider, the Aquarius is sitting right there being pathetic as an 'escort'.
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And the way they are talking about aquarius (during BoP raider upgrade preview), they seemed to plan not making it a raider. They may change mind, but for now they maybe thinking something else.
Someone did not put much thought into these names lol.
Why does the Federation need raiders? Not to mention having a *raider* is something that sounds very anti Fed.
Feds don't need everything everyone else has...
this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
system Lord Baal is dead
This. A clear NO for complete uniformity.
Why is everyone so keeon of a red vs. blue game with identical ships and skills? Could it be more boring?
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What you want is already in the game and readily available for the Federation.
It's called the Photonic Displacement console.
Using this, your ship will be cloaked for a short time allowing you to escape from a hostile, while projecting a holographic decoy. However you will be unable to use any weapons or abilities while under the influence of this device. It will work on ANY ship.
As others have stated before, if you want to play a raider, play the KDF. If you want a battlecloak, play Romulan.
There's a number of Feds that want the Perks of being a "Raider" / Bird of Prey. They ***** about Klingons having the Universal BOFF stations. They ***** about Klingons having Battle Cloaks. They ***** about maneuverability of the Bird of Prey. They ***** about the decloaking attacks of the Bird of Prey despite the Warbirds (that they themselves are probably playing with) being completely superior fighters in cloaked warfare.
They want all those perks of the Bird of Prey but they do not want to pay the price. They do not want to have only 11 BOFF seats instead of 12... I'd like to see how Feds will react when a endgame ship of theirs only has 11 BOFF seats. They do not want the lowest hull & shield mods in the game. Raiders are fragile as hell, and the BOPs even after the buffs given by Cryptic with S9 are still the most fragile things, second only to shuttles.
No, they don't want to pay the price.
The example you provided with the Breen Raider is the ultimate example. It does not have a cloak but is sturdier, faster, and comparable enough in turn rate to a Bird of Prey. It has 5 TAC Consoles while most BOPs have only 3, best having 4. The Breen Raider has a fixed Cmdr TAC station, but all other stations totalling 8 other BOFF seats are completely Universal. It essentially is a +1 Bird of Prey in BOFF seating. It has a higher Flanking Bonus than the BOP to make up for the fact of a lack of Cloak with decloaking dmg bonus.
The Breen Raider is the ultimate "Raider" in the game, more than the Bird of Prey. Yet, as you mentioned, is almost never seen in the game anymore. Because people can't take the heat of playing such a fragile ship, and the Breen Raider is sturdier than the Bird of Prey.
The majority of Feds cannot handle the heavy hitting Defiant or Prometheus. That's a given. The proof is in the Fed Shipyards subforum asking the devs to make the Ensign Tactical into an ENG or Universal station to essentially make these highly unique, hard hitting Escorts into the same as practically all other Fed Escorts.
They can't handle the Defiant and survive in a ship that has 33k hull and 0.9 shield mod.
And they definitely can't handle a Raider... the Breen Raider has 29.7k hull and 0.88 shield mod, while Birds of Prey float around 26-27k hull and the same shield mod. 1 wrong move in a Raider and you are freakin' DONE.
They want to play with a "Raider"? Get the Breen Raider or roll KDF, fly a Bird of Prey, and be done with it.
See if they can take the heat.
Feds, Roms, Klinks, whatever. Give it to everyone. This could be cool!
Yeah, cloaking is great & flanking is great, but you have to appreciate the flip side (instant death), which many people don't.
My Raider is not an Escort. Not by a long shot. And I love my Defiant when I play Starfleet. It's tough as nails compared to my Fleet Hoh'sus & Fleet Norgh. Who needs to recloak when you have a big alpha strike?
Recloaking is for n00bz.
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
I am not so certain flipping your transponder to the other 'team' would be such a great idea.
Mechanics wise, there is so much that could go wrong in terms of bugs, or abuse. In a practical sense, I can't imagine that would be terribly useful in a team PvP environment. PvE wise, this can be written into a mission's mechanics to fit a plot right now, without adding any new gimmicks.
But that said, the idea of a Starfleet vessel disguising as a different ship for surveillance sounds acceptable to me - as long as the mechanics support the lore idea of Starfleet as peaceful exploration corps, rather than a military force for conquest.
So it shouldn't grant offensive bonuses, but defensive bonuses. Say, it drains your weapon power (so if you come from "holocloak", you are not insta-gibbing enemies, because your weapon power is low), but grants you a boost to defense and maybe science abilities, and you can maintain shields while disguised.
These ships might be actually more like Science Vessels than Escorts. Or the "holographic cloak" might be an active console or device only useable on SVs?