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vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
I wonder what people feel about the recent reviews and Priority One Podcast comments. This is intended for the people who say the lockboxes, Cryptic nerfing Veterans in the reputation sytem, and the grinding content are great.

It seems even on Priority One players are annoyed and pissed with Cryptic. Additionally, Al Rivera seem to lost the reality between Star Trek and player base enjoyment to needs and company profit margins.

It seems from face value it might make new players want to come to the game but I think it does the opposite. It seems to make players go more public about the game on the review sights giving new players insight to the game. Possibly making them realize the game is not worth spending the money or time on.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-trek-online/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Online-PC/product-reviews/B002673XJA/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
http://priorityonepodcast.com/po170/

It's not coming out of my mouth. It's from the reviews from other sites.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Al Rivera and Geko are the same person.
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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Al Rivera and Geko are the same person.

    Ah. I didn't realize that. I'll revise.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    yeah, i saw this happening years before it did, i wasnt fooled the first time a dev wrote on the forum and already made my mind up at the time, hasnt changed since, and what happened over the recent years? pretty much what i expected would happen, even predicted a year in advance on some issues on the forum which were ignored by the playerbase.

    but anyways, enough of that TRIBBLE. the direction of the game was for f2p'ers and it was always gonna go that direction, now finally someone has enough iron to do that one thing that everyone else was afraid of, that deserves some respect at least. i wouldnt be surprised if D'Angelo was behind these choices and geko was just the mouthpiece trying to play peacemaker when the rest of it hits the fan. in any event though, im not surprised that veterans have been nerfed. i would imagine that LTS doesnt make PWE as much money in the long runs as gold subbers because you only pay one sum of money where as over years of subbing PWE can make a lot more money from monthly subs.

    whatever the case though, yeah, it was bound to happen that something had to change to fit some plan somewhere.
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  • startrek1warsstartrek1wars Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    "Grinding Content"-This is getting better. Randomly generated missions and STORY DRIVEN PVE queue missions (of all things) are helping a lot to reduce the grindfest. The revamped Borg Story arc isn't a grindfest. Surface Tension isn't a grindfest.

    Cryptic nerfing reps-Agreed, but I have to sympathize with Cryptic-power creep isn't good for anyone. While I agree it had to be nerfed, I wish that they had done it in a way that veterans in reps got something as a carrot.
    But, you have to admit, the rep revamp with bonus marks and equipment kits is amazing, makes it much easier to rep up.

    Lockboxes-Do you want cryptic to start charging for story missions? And would you want them to put authentic Federation, Klingon, or Romulan ships in lockboxes? I think the current system is the best compromise. Cryptic has to make money somehow, and not everyone is running out to buy the lifetime.

    In addition, Season 9 has come with the epic ESD revamp and the kit system revamp-all of which make the game more immersive and more fun.

    In conclusion, I feel that Cryptic is doing the right thing, and that with Season 9, Cryptic has released one of the greatest content releases STO has ever seen. I'll happily spend money on the game, and I hope that others will too.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    As games go this is one that should be used as a great idea turned into a dismal failure. Instead of fixing the bugs and glitches which are numerous they decided to add more content, and forget about writing them a stern note on the bugs you have, they appear to be deaf as well as incompetent.
    A comment like this makes me always wonder how the game plays for them. Is the game constantly crashing or glitching? Can the person never finish missions? Can he not equip his gear?

    Sure, there are bugs in this game, but if I had the choice of living with all the bugs that I currently experience, and another featured episode/Space Battle Zone, I take the latter.
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  • gurugeorgegurugeorge Member Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You're geeing up random noise into a thing. No doubt some people are upset by the changes, but it's a minority here on the boards and it's a minority in-game in my experience. Any change will upset some people and please others, and I don't see any evidence that the upset are in a majority with these changes.
  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gurugeorge wrote: »
    You're geeing up random noise into a thing. No doubt some people are upset by the changes, but it's a minority here on the boards and it's a minority in-game in my experience. Any change will upset some people and please others, and I don't see any evidence that the upset are in a majority with these changes.

    Don't confuse silence for consent and don't assume that a minority of voices cannot represent a majority of opinion.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    "Grinding Content"-This is getting better. Randomly generated missions and STORY DRIVEN PVE queue missions (of all things) are helping a lot to reduce the grindfest. The revamped Borg Story arc isn't a grindfest. Surface Tension isn't a grindfest.
    Surface tension is a grind when you have to do it at least 4 times to have all the unique reward. Grind mean repetitive, it doesn't mean with a story or not. And I was quickly skipping the story of ST (I have 5 characters, that's 20 plays).
    Cryptic nerfing reps-Agreed, but I have to sympathize with Cryptic-power creep isn't good for anyone. While I agree it had to be nerfed, I wish that they had done it in a way that veterans in reps got something as a carrot.
    But, you have to admit, the rep revamp with bonus marks and equipment kits is amazing, makes it much easier to rep up.
    Once again, powercreep doesn't come from the rep powers. Only a very small part (as in almost none) which is still there. That would be like nerfing dual (non heavy) cannons and claim you'd nerfed powercreep.



    It's been a while since the devs have started to speak like martketing people instead of videogame devs. Or just people that like their job, and are not working at a stock exchange.
    They don't want to do something with gateway, because they can't monetize it. They didn't wanted to do something for the Klingons for the same reason. And they add more things for fleet than anything else, because fleet players play more, and spend more.
    Money, money, money. Where is the passion ? Where is star trek ? I know they need to make money. But sometimes you do something because you like it. Or to please your customers.
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    A comment like this makes me always wonder how the game plays for them. Is the game constantly crashing or glitching? Can the person never finish missions? Can he not equip his gear?

    Sure, there are bugs in this game, but if I had the choice of living with all the bugs that I currently experience, and another featured episode/Space Battle Zone, I take the latter.

    Yeah, Cryptic can start by fixing the memory leak that grinds your fps to a standstill after the first half hour, which is apparently a new feature of S9...:rolleyes:
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is odd. I mean, the fourth entry on metacritic is a resounding 10:
    This game is insanely good, its not action packed and the FPS is not the best but as MMO's go, it's great. I play this game more frequently that any of my other payed games like Bioshock 1,2 or 3, Civilization V, GTA IV, Dead Space, Anno 2070, or Mass Effect. The reason this game appeals to me is the fact that new content just keeps coming out it's incredible. The customization in this game is second to none. In most games there is 1 or 2 really good "items" (in this case ships) that allow you to be the best, but in STO there is no one build or one single ship that is the best there are so many ways to specialize and customize in this game that it never seems to get old. With its constant evolution and refinement this game is the best game I have in my Steam account right now. You may read low reviews but seeing as how this game is free I highly recommend you try this game before writing it off.

    There's then 2 more 10's from the same January 2014 time frame.

    And the third entry on the amazon links is a huge rave, rating 5 out of 5 stars and saying:
    This is My current Favorite MMO and Star Trek game.. I'm an OLD timer Treky.. This game sticks true to the Star Trek genera and the customization is absolutely great... Also they keep loading new content...

    January must have been a big STO month!

    Either way, these reviews are pretty much overall what one would expect. Some rants. Some raves. Some middle of the road.

    /shrug
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I dunno. Frankly, I don't care. I'm having fun. I may not play as much as I used to, but I'm still having fun and that's all that matters to me and I think that's all that matters to the player base that's still here.

    And frankly, OP, I'm sorry, but if you don't like it, stop trying to convince other people to leave with you. That's what you're doing. Let them do it on their own accord, not by you because you're still burnt. That's what it feels like.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    stop trying to convince other people to leave with you.

    Viv isn't leaving. Just venting. If Viv were leaving, Viv wouldn't be posting so much.
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2014
    I have no problem with the current state of STO, other than the slight S9 performance issues, I'm alright. :cool:
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Yeah, Cryptic can start by fixing the memory leak that grinds your fps to a standstill after the first half hour, which is apparently a new feature of S9...:rolleyes:
    Hmm. Not sure if I noticed that my performance issues are time-based - it seemed mostly a problem with the Undine Battlezone. But maybe it is also machine-dependent - the more RAM you have, the more memory can be leaked before you notice anything.
    I'll keep an eye out. (Keep the task manager running perhaps?).
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Hmm. Not sure if I noticed that my performance issues are time-based - it seemed mostly a problem with the Undine Battlezone. But maybe it is also machine-dependent - the more RAM you have, the more memory can be leaked before you notice anything.
    I'll keep an eye out. (Keep the task manager running perhaps?).

    Dunno, I just checked my Task Manager after about three hours of gaming (Dil Mine, Voth Battlezone, Undine Battlezone, Defera) and it's only showing 780Mb of RAM used.



    I don't know, I just don't see what all this noise is about. My fleet's more active than it's ever been, I rarely have any wait times for the events I want to run... Just not seeing this exaggerated doom.

    Some of you just need to embrace change. Who cares if things are "nerfed" if it makes the game better?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    User reviews are really not a great way to meassure overall opinion. I mean when people failed the optional three times they go online and rate 0 or 1, writing it's the worst game ever. And other people just started to play and bought some ship they love rate a 10. It's in most cases either 0/1 or 10, you will never have any review or opinion that comes across as remotely based on reason.
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  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Hmm. Not sure if I noticed that my performance issues are time-based - it seemed mostly a problem with the Undine Battlezone. But maybe it is also machine-dependent - the more RAM you have, the more memory can be leaked before you notice anything.
    I'll keep an eye out. (Keep the task manager running perhaps?).

    I have 16gb of ram, thus I get half an hour in the battlezone before fps get hammered. Most people with 2-4 gb get to run on page file right away after they enter the zone.

    Memory leak: No matter how much ram you have, it's not enough.;)
  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    God! If I hear the phrase "nerfed the veterans" one more time I'm gonna punch a wall!

    The reputation power changes haven't nerfed anyone! I've never been more powerful! But then again I only chose offensive powers and relied on my own skill for defence.

    This is the only time I'll say this but learn to play. And stop relying on exploits!!
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    And don't assume a minority of voices represents a silent majority. :rolleyes:

    Indeed. Experience shows that people who are unhappy are far more likely to speak up than people with no complaints. A small number of whiners is exactly that.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gurugeorge wrote: »
    You're geeing up random noise into a thing. No doubt some people are upset by the changes, but it's a minority here on the boards and it's a minority in-game in my experience. Any change will upset some people and please others, and I don't see any evidence that the upset are in a majority with these changes.

    Thing is, it doesn't have to be an upset majority.

    I'm reminded of that line from Voyager about being pecked to death by chickens.

    In my view, starting with the grindaversary, we've had a succession of polarising decisions.

    Doesn't matter that those upset each time are a minority, it's the succession of upset minorities over time.

    Because, the thing is, that minority does not always consist of the same people.

    Sure, there's some overlap, but thats a different upset minority each time.

    And, over time, those minorities can add up to a majority.


    In my view, cryptic need to do one of two things.

    Either radically speed up the changes. Let's just get this wretched sticking plaster off.

    Or, take a break from the polarising decisions and be generous for a while.

    If, as rumored, we'll be getting good seriously heavy discounts on grind ships for alts that's how to be generous.

    A few more things like that, while avoiding getting people upset for a while, would help to repair relations with that ever growing pile of upset minorities.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Thing is, it doesn't have to be an upset majority.

    I'm reminded of that line from Voyager about being pecked to death by chickens.

    In my view, starting with the grindaversary, we've had a succession of polarising decisions.

    Doesn't matter that those upset each time are a minority, it's the succession of upset minorities over time.

    Because, the thing is, that minority does not always consist of the same people.

    Sure, there's some overlap, but thats a different upset minority each time.

    And, over time, those minorities can add up to a majority.


    In my view, cryptic need to do one of two things.

    Either radically speed up the changes. Let's just get this wretched sticking plaster off.

    Or, take a break from the polarising decisions and be generous for a while.

    If, as rumored, we'll be getting good seriously heavy discounts on grind ships for alts that's how to be generous.

    A few more things like that, while avoiding getting people upset for a while, would help to repair relations with that ever growing pile of upset minorities.

    You remind me a bit of doffing comrade in the belief that this is a closed game system.

    Every decision will TRIBBLE some people off. But:
    - It may be the same people that were pissed off by the one before.
    - It may make others happy and continue to play or motivitate to keep spending money on it.
    - There are always new players checking out this game, that won't care if "something was taken away from the Veterans" or "the game has gotten even grindier" - as long as the current state is fun to them, that's good.

    We don't have any meaningful numbers if more people are getting pissed off than attracted by the game.


    What I know that in the 2 years or so I was practically not playing, tons of stuff was added, way beyond what had been added to the game while I still had been playing. Unless they recently made a turn for the worse, it all feels the complaints are similar. They are certainly not unjustified to me, at least not all of them, but they also don't seem to stand in the way of the game's success. MAybe the game could be more awesome if those complaints weren't true, but... Maybe the unfortunate truth is that a F2P game must come with bugs and grind and what not, because that's the only way the available budget can be spend while still maintaining the income to support the budget.

    If Cryptic did add no content for a year, just fix bugs, people wouldn't keep playing. If Cryptic didn't hide stuff behind grindy content, people wouldn't keep playing.

    What would you do if there was no grind? Equip your Elite Set item, slot your passives and actives, and then play whatever you want... except that it is still the exact same as now, just that there are no rewards for playing it, because you already have everything that you could get as reward.
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  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Indeed. Experience shows that people who are unhappy are far more likely to speak up than people with no complaints. A small number of whiners is exactly that.

    Again, don't confuse silence with consent--or in this case contentment. Just because you perceive a small group of people to be "whiners" doesn't mean their opinions are not shared by the majority who remain silent. That's a grand assumption and it's all too frequently used to marginalize those with complaints.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,559 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    God! If I hear the phrase "nerfed the veterans" one more time I'm gonna punch a wall!!
    Can you punch someone who calls it a "slap in the face" instead? I mean, as long as we're on the topic of pet peeves...
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Again, don't confuse silence with consent--or in this case contentment. Just because you perceive a small group of people to be "whiners" doesn't mean their opinions are not shared by the majority who remain silent. That's a grand assumption and it's all too frequently used to marginalize those with complaints.

    And you're making just as big of an assumption, with even less to support it.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You remind me a bit of doffing comrade in the belief that this is a closed game system.

    Thats what we call, in the trade, an assumption.

    I believe nothing of the sort.
    Every decision will TRIBBLE some people off.

    Not necessarily.

    Was anyone at all pissed off because lobi was made acount wide?

    Was anyone pissed off a sponsorship tokens?

    Is anyone pissed off at the prospect of heavily discounted grind ships for alts?

    Decision making does not have to be combative.


    But:
    - It may be the same people that were pissed off by the one before.

    Or it may not. Although there'll probably be overlap.

    Someone pissed off by the trait changes may be fine with an Undine playable ship.

    Someone who finds the undine playable ship abhorent may have enjoyed the grindaversary.
    - It may make others happy and continue to play or motivitate to keep spending money on it.

    Indeed it may, polarising decisions by their very nature have a dualistic quality.
    - There are always new players checking out this game, that won't care if "something was taken away from the Veterans" or "the game has gotten even grindier" - as long as the current state is fun to them, that's good.

    And this is also true. History and familiarity with a mechanism brings with it an inherently conservative (small-c) mentality.



    We don't have any meaningful numbers if more people are getting pissed off than attracted by the game.


    And this is my point.

    We don't know what the number are, for good or ill.


    All I can say is that we have, in my view, had a run of polarising decisions recently.

    Such things bring with it a real possibility of the cascade-upset-minority effect i alluded to earlier.

    Or not, without numbers we cant be sure.


    If the changes attract more than who leave, then we're golden.

    Balance goes the other way, we're in trouble.


    All I'm suggesting is that we lay off the pedal for a while........or alternatively, slam it to the metal and get the mechanisitic changes over asap.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It seems from face value it might make new players want to come to the game but I think it does the opposite. It seems to make players go more public about the game on the review sights giving new players insight to the game. Possibly making them realize the game is not worth spending the money or time on.
    Sounds like the reviewers' fault.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It's not a new problem, the "silent majority" thingy...

    In M:WO, I am pretty sure that the silent majority cannot really be much more happy than the loud minority, but is that just because I think the game sucks and think everyone has to agree with me, or is there something objective to it?

    I don't know, I am probably not objective enough.

    But if I were to compare STO and MW:O... Oh dear.
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  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I wonder what people feel about the recent reviews and Priority One Podcast comments. This is intended for the people who say the lockboxes, Cryptic nerfing Veterans in the reputation sytem, and the grinding content are great.

    It seems even on Priority One players are annoyed and pissed with Cryptic. Additionally, Al Rivera seem to lost the reality between Star Trek and player base enjoyment to needs and company profit margins.

    It seems from face value it might make new players want to come to the game but I think it does the opposite. It seems to make players go more public about the game on the review sights giving new players insight to the game. Possibly making them realize the game is not worth spending the money or time on.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-trek-online/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100
    http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Online-PC/product-reviews/B002673XJA/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
    http://priorityonepodcast.com/po170/

    It's not coming out of my mouth. It's from the reviews from other sites.
    Way to go vivenneanthony you've attracted the Cryptic defense force. They aren't able to see the forest because they're permanently attached to Cryptic's backside.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Again, don't confuse silence with dissatisfaction--or discontent. Just because you perceive a small group of people to be correct, doesn't mean their opinions are shared by the majority who remain silent. That's a grand assumption and it's all too frequently used to marginalize those who are satisfied with what they are getting. :rolleyes:

    People. Do not. Understand. STATISTICS. :rolleyes:
  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Metacritic is TRIBBLE and user reviews on there are even worse. What's fake? What's real? A lot of it is just bitter burnouts lamenting on the gold 'ol days. I've generally disliked a lot of Gecko's responses in these interviews but it's just not so black and white.
    How many people in this thread listened to the last STOked interview with him? He really sounds intent on revamping and improving most systems in the game. He mentionied: crafting, pvp, foundry, doffing, boff training, skill tree, and a new focus on RE-PLAYABILITY. With PvE content with different endings and choices to be made etc. along with more frequent FEs.
    These are things which I've seen people asking for for a year and at some point it just seems like there are just some forum goers who will never be happy with this game and the direction its going or the speed in which these things are done.
    There is a second expansion coming later this year and my best guess is that there will be more massive overhauls with crafting and the foundry both getting the Neverwinter treatment (just like the kit modules which are basically the same system as Neverwinter's gem system) and a possible new playable race?
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