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marcel314marcel314 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
Enemy list:
-Iconians
-Solanogen-based lifeforms
-Elachi
-Species 8472/Undine
-Voth
-Borg
-Tholian
-Crystalline Entity 2
-Hirogen
-Tal Shiar
-Fel'Ihri Horde
-True Way
-Terran Empire
-Devidian
-Orion Syndicate
-Pirates from various Alpha/Beta quadrant species
-Im pretty sure we will make another species angry in season 10 (my money on the krenim)

We:
-UFP
-Klingon Empire
-Romulan Republic

"Neutral" :
Deferi
Dominion


We need the Dominion as 4th faction and not the spoonheads...
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The Neutral list is far longer than that. STO is focused mostly around combat so our interaction with races like the First Federation and other neutral parties are severely limited or non-existent. We are on the front lines so it is no surprise that we only deal with enemies.
  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I like the Dominion way more than the constant cry for a Borg faction, but I feel they are both the same. Borg wouldn't be a realistic playable faction because they are all drones to the collective. The Dominion on the other hand are all individuals, but the mains are genetically modified to obey the Founders without question. And the alien species that we've actually seen in the shows are subjugated fearful wretches, with the exception of the Karemma, who seem to still be cautious about pissing off the masters. I don't know how it could work to have a playable Dominion faction(assuming your would play either Vorta or Jem'Hadar). I honestly see the Dominion being in a future alliance of sorts(not full blown we love eachother, but more we will not go into your quadrant, you stay out of ours, and if the Iconians or some other threat to the whole galaxy emerges, we'll send fleets to fight them)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014
    To be fair...
    -Iconians: no one to negotiate with, and they may very well be manipulating events to their advantage.
    -Solanogen peeps: They take and they go. And their experiments aren't always non-lethal.
    -Elachi: No known central government to contact, and they have been aggressive towards the Romulans. Little contact with the Federation or KDF
    -Undine: They hate us. Not much we can do about that.
    -Voth: Doctrine kinda says we suck. They don't like mammals apparently.
    -Borg: "Diplomacy is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Resistance is Futile." Need I say more?
    -Tholians: Don't seem to like mammals and tend to do their own thing.
    -Crystaline Entity: With the Tholians around... kinda can't talk to it. Attacking was the last resort as a planet's population was at stake.
    -Hirogen: They see us as prey. They don't negotiate much with prey.
    -Tal Shiar: They hate everyone they can't control.
    -Fek'ihri: Klingon "Demons" who hate Klingons. Limited to no contact with the Federation or Romulan Republic.
    -True Way: Wants to restore the OLD, oppressive, expansionist, militaristic Cardassian Union, and to hell with the neighbors.
    -Terran Empire: They blantantly attacked us and declared their intentions to conquer. They made their intentions clear.
    -Devidians: No central government to contact, and they are driven by hunger. Can't reason with them.
    -Orion Syndicate: Technically a member of the KDF, although some may oppose due to not liking Teh Fuzz crampin' their style.
    -Pirates: They don't like The Law.
    -Next baddie: who knows.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Of the list the only ones I find hard to understand are the Tholians.
    I don't think we really have a true motive yet for the reason of their incursions into Romulan space and the neutral zone.

    Generally the Tholians have been neutral, but they are fiercely protective of their borders.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Not mention that three of the species/organizations (Solanae, Elachi, Tal Shiar) on that enemies list are confirmed to serve the top enemy (Iconians) on that list, so they shouldn't particularly count. Also, the Hirogen were employed by Empress Sela, ruler of the Romulan Star Empire which is the home political entity of the Tal Shiar. The Borg as you know are completely unreasonable, the True Way are terrorists rebelling against Cardassia Prime (whom should also be considered "Neutral" as they're not officially part of the UFP), the Tholians and Undine are both xenophobic to the point of being openly hostile, the Terran Empire are a twisted reflection, and the Crystal Entity and Devidians are completely alien.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I didn't know there was diplomacy in STO.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited May 2014

    I still wanna punch that Ferengi...
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The epoh's seem friendly.

    Then they're tribbles who seem to like us.
  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I still feel that we were never chosen to be explorers. We are exploited or redirected to maximize gains using our superior combat prowess. Hence we are on the front lines in everything.

    There goes my big words of the month. Time to give my brain a vacation.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    The epoh's seem friendly.

    Then they're tribbles who seem to like us.

    Actually, tribbles are the greatest villain that the Federation has ever faced. The Klingons destroyed their home planet because tribbles use mind control and the Klingons are resistant to it. We were saved until some Deep Space 9 moron brought one back from the past.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Enemy list:
    -Iconians
    Game's Bigger Bad, Abusive Precursors interested only in galactic domination.
    -Solanogen-based lifeforms
    We've barely met them at all.
    -Elachi
    Thralls to the Iconians.
    -Species 8472/Undine
    Accepted. Yes, they're flaming xenophobes but they've shown a willingness to negotiate with the AQ powers in good faith in the past.
    -Voth
    Propogandistic xenophobes. Voth central government not interested. Individual Voth sometimes defect.
    -Borg
    You've gotta be frakking kidding me. The Borg practically never negotiate and are demonstrably untrustworthy on the rare occasion they do.
    -Tholian
    Territorial xenophobes convinced they have a right to own every Class Y planet, although they're frankly welcome to most of them. No clue what their beef with the New Romulans is, though.
    -Crystalline Entity 2
    Read the mission briefing. They tried talking to it.
    -Hirogen
    TRIBBLE$holes who see us as prey.
    -Tal Shiar
    War criminals.
    -Fel'Ihri Horde
    Klingon demons (or possibly Iconian copies of them; the story arc is ambiguous).
    -True Way
    Terrorists insistent on reestablishing the old military dictatorship Cardassia.
    -Terran Empire
    Extrauniversal invaders. The faction we liked has apparently been overthrown.
    -Devidian
    See Hirogen. Except worse, because they actually feed on us.
    -Orion Syndicate
    Mundane criminal organization deserving of prosecution for arms dealing, drug smuggling, murder, and an assortment of other crimes.
    -Pirates from various Alpha/Beta quadrant species
    Maritime piracy is traditionally a very severe crime, and Star Trek hews very hard towards space being an ocean.
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  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Are people still doing this? Didn't we just have a major update about the two most prominent factions in the game making peace?
    marcel314 wrote: »
    -Iconians
    -Solanogen-based lifeforms
    -Elachi
    -Hirogen
    -Tal Shiar
    -Fel'Ihri Horde

    All of these are one faction: the Iconians and their servitor races.
    -Species 8472/Undine

    These are the pawns of that faction who have been tricked by Iconian false-flag attacks into thinking that we struck them first. We actually defended them from the Borg, in spite of them wanting to commit genocide against every living thing in the galaxy.
    -Voth
    -Borg
    -Devidian
    -Terran Empire

    All of these are unreasonable and not open to diplomacy. The Dividian and Terran story arcs are over for now, and I don't think we're still fighting them as of 2410 (beyond isolated encounters like Tholian dimensional rifts).
    -Tholian
    -Crystalline Entity 2

    We don't know what their deal is, yet, so I'll give you this one. Though, that's REALLY reaching with the second one. I think the Entity might actually be closer to an animal than a sapient creature, let alone a "faction". You might as well have put Targs down just to pad out the list more.
    -True Way
    -Orion Syndicate
    -Pirates from various Alpha/Beta quadrant species

    You don't have diplomatic contact with criminal organizations. "Enforcing the law" isn't belligerent.
    We:
    -UFP
    -Klingon Empire
    -Romulan Republic

    In other words, most of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant species. You should do like above and list each one seperately. Also, you forgot the Cardassian Union, Yiridians, and Ferengi, but to be fair, you also forgot Taris' Remans in the enemy's list.
    -Im pretty sure we will make another species angry in season 10 (my money on the krenim)

    . . . which one of the above did we "make angry?"

    I think you overlooked the game's actual plot in your race to pretend that every TNG movie wasn't an action film about spaceships going boom. One day, I'm going to go through every season of TNG/DS9/VOY and make a list of everyone the Federation has hostilities with, just to make a point about how silly this kind of thing is when devoid of context.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    The epoh's seem friendly.

    Then they're tribbles who seem to like us.

    Nanov's seem pretty cuddly too.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Enemy list:
    -Iconians Biggest Bad (tm) of the game. Attacked us before we were even aware of them. Not our fault.
    -Solanogen-based lifeforms Solanae--Iconian servitor species. Not our fault.
    -Elachi Iconian servitor species. Not our fault.
    -Species 8472/Undine Raging *ss-clowns and xenophobes, but it's in part our fault for not pushing to open up a dialogue before the Iconian false-flag operation kicked into high gear.
    -Voth Racist idiots. Not our fault (hell, some of them even came over to our side when we offered asylum).
    -Borg U mad bro? They're the fricking BORG. The incarnation of pure, unreasoning evil. Not our fault in any way.
    -Tholian Xenophobic nuts who won't explain why the hell they have such a big beef with the RR. Not our fault.
    -Crystalline Entity 2 We tried. It kept coming.
    -Hirogen Goons who work for the Tal Shiar. Not our fault.
    -Tal Shiar Iconian servitors led by a sadistic psychopath. Not our fault.
    -Fel'Ihri Horde Iconian servitors. Not our fault.
    -True Way Criminal terrorist thugs. We have a DUTY to crush them; the UFP does not negotiate with terrorists.
    -Terran Empire Hammy jerks who keep invading. We tried diplomacy, they tried to blow up DS9 and the Bajoran wormhole. Not our fault.
    -Devidian Vicious predators. We tried diplomacy (in TNG), they ignored it. Not our fault.
    -Orion Syndicate Criminal thugs; basically, Space Mafia. As peacekeepers, we have a duty to stop their endeavors.
    -Pirates from various Alpha/Beta quadrant species See my response to the Orion Syndicate.
    -Im pretty sure we will make another species angry in season 10 (my money on the krenim) Yeah, probably. Not sure who, though.

    We:
    -UFP Dozens of species if not hundreds.
    -Klingon Empire 6 major species, dozens of minor/subjugated species, Trill renegades.
    -Romulan Republic 4+ species, possibly includes Acamarian Sovereignty as well now.

    "Neutral" :
    Deferi
    Dominion
    Cardassian Union (not an official UFP member, but an ally)
    Random non-affiliated Romulan colonies, including former IRS member planets.

    We need the Dominion as 4th faction and not the spoonheads...

    THIS. I support this, BIG time.

    So yeah. Mostly not our fault. And I agree, we NEED a Dominion faction. I could make a Jem'Hadar character and RP with him constantly praising "Glorious Odo'ital" and Kira Nerys (Odo's girlfriend, if you haven't seen all of DS9). Would be much fun.

    I could also make a Vorta called Weyoun Non-Numbered (approx. 357) as a joke about the disturbing pattern of deaths in the Weyoun line...

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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Enemy list:
    -Iconians
    -Solanogen-based lifeforms
    -Elachi
    -Species 8472/Undine
    -Voth
    -Borg
    -Tholian
    -Crystalline Entity 2
    -Hirogen
    -Tal Shiar
    -Fel'Ihri Horde
    -True Way
    -Terran Empire
    -Devidian
    -Orion Syndicate
    -Pirates from various Alpha/Beta quadrant species
    -Im pretty sure we will make another species angry in season 10 (my money on the krenim)

    We do not negotiate with terrorists...
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  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Our diplomacy sucks because that's how it being written in the game.

    -Iconians- maybe as powerful as the Q or maybe just con-artists in hiding. I wonder who really is behind the curtain.

    -Solanogen-based lifeforms- Iconian lackeys but not a direct threat since they always run away when encountered. - Maybe too pathetic to let live.

    -Elachi- artificial lifeform made from captured Romulans - Iconian lackeys - Too gooey to let live.

    -Fel'Ihri Horde- supposed Klingon demons - Iconian lackeys - Too ugly to let live.

    -Tal Shiar- fascists hoping to revive a power structure where they were dominant - co-oped by Iconians and they really love to monologue. That alone is a good enough reason for a bullet in the head.

    -Hirogen- Refuse to abandon primitive hunter gather behavior- Now serving Tal Shiar and indirectly Iconians. - People who gank from hiding don't strike me as all that noble, so pew pew for you mr. hunter.

    -Species 8472/Undine - Should not be enemies - Voyager made peace with them, but have been tricked by the Iconians and are still attacking in spite of overwhelming evidence they've been had. Ya, no holes in that plot, gaping canyons maybe but holes......

    -Voth- Quasi religious fanatics who kept to themselves - why they are aggressive expansionists now, who knows? They shoot I shoot back.

    -Borg- hostile to everybody and what the hell is that smell? My weapon of choice would be a screwdriver.

    -Tholian- shouldn't be openly hostile but since they are keep a bucket of ice water handy.

    -Crystalline Entity 2- thinks of everything as food- may or may not be sentient, could just be a giant crystalline space amoeba, what's needed is a really big hammer.

    -True Way- fascists hoping to revive a power structure where they were dominant. - I just don't like them so they die.

    -Terran Empire- Mirror universe Invaders- Bad guy go home or go boom.

    -Devidian- extradimensional salt vampires - since they show no interest in seeking an alternative food source, they must be terminated.

    -Orion Syndicate and pirates - criminals, well phasers don't come with a handcuff setting so you get the picture.
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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    maxvitor wrote: »
    -Species 8472/Undine - Should not be enemies - Voyager made peace with them, but have been tricked by the Iconians and are still attacking in spite of overwhelming evidence they've been had. Ya, no holes in that plot, gaping canyons maybe but holes......
    Not totally. They did discuss it with that group and he did say that he cannot speak for all of them but they would discuss the idea of a peace.

    Perhaps it never worked out that way :P
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    askray wrote: »
    Not totally. They did discuss it with that group and he did say that he cannot speak for all of them but they would discuss the idea of a peace.

    Perhaps it never worked out that way :P

    Racist, xenophobic species dealing with Iconian false-flag ops...

    Yeah, could be hard to start a dialogue.
  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I think these ones are the unacceptable breakdown of diplomacy, while the others can be excused for one way or another

    Tholian Assembly: The Tholians have never been shown to be hostile, even when in DS9 the 'Federation' assassinates one of their observers on Earth. (In reality it was the Dominion, but the Tholians didn't know) As such I have always pictured them as an (Ironically) cool headed race that would invade Nukra and Romulan space without a damn good reason. I never saw any evidence that we tried to open dialogue with them as to negotiate peace.

    Undine: We probably should have sat down with them or something to talk about peace, point to Voyager for evidence of how we can be reasonable.

    Voth: We invaded their sphere, destroyed their ships, and violated the prime directive. Huge diplomacy fail here, we could have offered the Voth a place (Or even let them lead) the Omega forces to help them fight the Borg and not need Omega Particles.

    True Way: The whole situation on Cardassia stinks of Imperialistic thinking on the part of the Federation. The Cardassians were happy under their dictatorship, and we should have worked with the True Way to restore it rather than jammed democracy down the throats of the Cardassian people.

    Other than that I think the wars have not been out fault, and no amount of negotiating would have stopped them.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Tholian Assembly: The Tholians have never been shown to be hostile, even when in DS9 the 'Federation' assassinates one of their observers on Earth. (In reality it was the Dominion, but the Tholians didn't know) As such I have always pictured them as an (Ironically) cool headed race that would invade Nukra and Romulan space without a damn good reason. I never saw any evidence that we tried to open dialogue with them as to negotiate peace.

    Something to think about is that their practice of trapping ships in an energy web outside of combat (as shown in the TV episodes) is actually their way of being "merciful", in the sense that they are using it to restrain and disable opposing ships without directly damaging them--if the trapped ships bash themselves apart against the web, it's their own fault. This is definitely a more "humane" method than disabling an opponent by shooting them until their weapons are non-functional.

    True Way: The whole situation on Cardassia stinks of Imperialistic thinking on the part of the Federation. The Cardassians were happy under their dictatorship, and we should have worked with the True Way to restore it rather than jammed democracy down the throats of the Cardassian people.

    Were the followers happy, or only the leaders? At the very least, the notion that the Cardassian government could accuse anybody they pleased with no backlash, and that the accused party was automatically treated as guilty, was a wide-open door for rampant corruption in which anybody whom the leaders disliked had no protection. Offend or anger a high-ranking-enough official and he could have your whole family executed as traitors and all of their property seized, and your only possible safety is to have the protection of someone equally as powerful as your would-be accuser. The notion that the innocent have no need to fear accusation falls apart when the leaders can make accusations based on personal whims with no need for evidence. Effectively everyone remains alive only so long as nobody of higher rank cares to rob or kill them.
  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Were the followers happy, or only the leaders? At the very least, the notion that the Cardassian government could accuse anybody they pleased with no backlash, and that the accused party was automatically treated as guilty, was a wide-open door for rampant corruption in which anybody whom the leaders disliked had no protection. Offend or anger a high-ranking-enough official and he could have your whole family executed as traitors and all of their property seized, and your only possible safety is to have the protection of someone equally as powerful as your would-be accuser. The notion that the innocent have no need to fear accusation falls apart when the leaders can make accusations based on personal whims with no need for evidence. Effectively everyone remains alive only so long as nobody of higher rank cares to rob or kill them.

    Well, I assume the Cardassian people like it, because of DS9 and the Cardassians featured in it. There did not seem to be an abundance of corruption either because of the influence of the Obsidian Order who could make even a high ranking Gul or Legate vanish.

    Just the impression I got anyway from DS9
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Tholian Assembly: The Tholians have never been shown to be hostile, even when in DS9 the 'Federation' assassinates one of their observers on Earth. (In reality it was the Dominion, but the Tholians didn't know) As such I have always pictured them as an (Ironically) cool headed race that would invade Nukra and Romulan space without a damn good reason. I never saw any evidence that we tried to open dialogue with them as to negotiate peace.
    Their first appearance has them randomly capturing a Starfleet ship and dragging them into an alternate universe (the mirror universe, as it turns out).

    They'll negotiate sometimes. Other times they won't. This is apparently one of the latter.
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Undine: We probably should have sat down with them or something to talk about peace, point to Voyager for evidence of how we can be reasonable.
    Yeah, that one's stupid, and emblematic of a lot of STO's plot requiring everybody involved to be complete idiots.

    What we've got here is failure to communicate. At least give us the opportunity in "Fluid Dynamics" to yell, "Oi, you lot! Undine! Why dontcha take a look at what those dickwads attacking you are making their ships out of!"
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Voth: We invaded their sphere, destroyed their ships, and violated the prime directive. Huge diplomacy fail here, we could have offered the Voth a place (Or even let them lead) the Omega forces to help them fight the Borg and not need Omega Particles.
    Problem #1: The sphere wasn't theirs. They arrived at roughly the same time we did.

    Problem #2: They supposedly tried talking to the Voth offscreen but the xenophobes up top weren't interested and most of the populace is too indoctrinated to listen. Now, we're doing the whole Voice of America thing to them, broadcasting the truth and such, in doff assignments, but we've still got to defend ourselves in the meantime.
    alan171717 wrote: »
    True Way: The whole situation on Cardassia stinks of Imperialistic thinking on the part of the Federation. The Cardassians were happy under their dictatorship, and we should have worked with the True Way to restore it rather than jammed democracy down the throats of the Cardassian people.
    Are you kidding me? If the Cardassians were happy under their dictatorship, why don't you explain to me why a popular rebellion overthrew the Central Command, i.e. the dictators, within weeks of most of the Obsidian Order, i.e. their equivalent to the Schutzstaffel, getting their asses blown up by the Dominion.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Well, I assume the Cardassian people like it, because of DS9 and the Cardassians featured in it. There did not seem to be an abundance of corruption either because of the influence of the Obsidian Order who could make even a high ranking Gul or Legate vanish.

    Just the impression I got anyway from DS9

    That itself brings us back to "Quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" Since the Order can remove anybody whom they please without backlash, what prevents the Order from killing people on a whim, either the personal whim of the leaders or the collective whim of the Order? What keeps the Order from corruption? Any set-up that has a powerful, unaccountable entity or organization ultimately calling the shots is inherently at that entity's mercy.
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  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    askray wrote: »
    Not totally. They did discuss it with that group and he did say that he cannot speak for all of them but they would discuss the idea of a peace.

    Perhaps it never worked out that way :P
    Well since they had their spies all over the place, they should have the evidence that it wasn't us who invaded their realm and attacked them, so we're back to why the hell are they attacking us? That's a gaping hole that needs filling, so I'm hoping there's going to be some story element eluding to the possibility that the Iconians have Undine leadership under some kind of control, because right now this isn't making a hell of a lot of sense.
    I have to admit I was kind of disappointed that species 8472 was retconed into an enemy in this game, I think they would have made a far more interesting ally and I would be delighted if they do the same thing they did with other factions and make them a fractured group with some who don't agree with their xenophobic brethren.
    alan171717 wrote: »
    Well, I assume the Cardassian people like it, because of DS9 and the Cardassians featured in it. There did not seem to be an abundance of corruption either because of the influence of the Obsidian Order who could make even a high ranking Gul or Legate vanish.

    Just the impression I got anyway from DS9
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I would argue that the Breen Confederacy is "offically" neutral. It's uncertain if Thot Trel's actions were officially sanctioned by the Confederation government.


    I also think that there is more to the Tholians' activities than their usual dickhead behavior. I believe their motivations stem from a fear of the Iconians, and they are too mistrusting of outsiders to cooperate with others. Survival of the Assembly is the top priority, and little things, like who owns the deed of a planet of interest, is no deterrent to that goal.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I would argue that the Breen Confederacy is "offically" neutral. It's uncertain if Thot Trel's actions were officially sanctioned by the Confederation government.

    Also consider that the definition of a confederacy includes having a very weak central government (although, granted, ST writers have a habit of throwing around words for the sake of variety without thinking about what they mean).
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Also consider that the definition of a confederacy includes having a very weak central government (although, granted, ST writers have a habit of throwing around words for the sake of variety without thinking about what they mean).



    I agree wholeheartedly.


    I wish they would've fleshed out the Breen more in STO. It would be interesting, to say the least.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I still wanna punch that Ferengi...

    Like so? Yeah, the KDF is awesome :D
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