With the Dilithium Mine rewards doubled until Monday, I've suddenly become noticeably worse at getting dilithium whilst mining.
If I missed the maximum dilithium score (735 or better) I was close. 695 or maybe 660. Now I see scores struggling to hit 500 at some spots, whilst working like mad and just managing 735 on others. I used to get 775 at Vlugta almost all the time and claim the trace element as well; whereas in the last couple of days, I do well to get one or two.
I have five toons, so this isn't just an isolated couple of runs. This is with all of them, since Thursday evening.
It seems to me that the mining markers are moving much more often. The more often they move, the more time you spend stopping and adjusting and the less time you have to mine. The result: lower scores and lower dilithium.
it would not surprise me if this, or some other crafty and undisclosed nerf, has been put in on some mining spots and not others, or occurs on every other run, so that it is harder to spot. However, the results are undeniably obvious. Something has changed and my ability to mine dilithium has been reduced all of a sudden, just when the rewards for it were doubled...
Not complaining here...; thanks to some Dil Mining Tickets I got a week or 2 ago from a Lockbox, I've made more Dil in the last 2.5 days than I have in the last 6 WEEKS(event nowithstanding)...something on the order of 17,000 Dil, which is utterly -insane- for me...long as this event runs, I'm pouring everything from it into some Rep projects...getting(or going to try to get) my Fleet Nebula Retrofit all Nukara'd out!
With the Dilithium Mine rewards doubled until Monday, I've suddenly become noticeably worse at getting dilithium whilst mining.
If I missed the maximum dilithium score (735 or better) I was close. 695 or maybe 660. Now I see scores struggling to hit 500 at some spots, whilst working like mad and just managing 735 on others. I used to get 775 at Vlugta almost all the time and claim the trace element as well; whereas in the last couple of days, I do well to get one or two.
I have five toons, so this isn't just an isolated couple of runs. This is with all of them, since Thursday evening.
It seems to me that the mining markers are moving much more often. The more often they move, the more time you spend stopping and adjusting and the less time you have to mine. The result: lower scores and lower dilithium.
it would not surprise me if this, or some other crafty and undisclosed nerf, has been put in on some mining spots and not others, or occurs on every other run, so that it is harder to spot. However, the results are undeniably obvious. Something has changed and my ability to mine dilithium has been reduced all of a sudden, just when the rewards for it were doubled...
Anyone else?
I have noticed this as well. After you line up the mini game rectacle so the points will add up, it quickly changes to a new spot. Feels like they have increased the rate at witch it does this. i still get my 735, (i try for 775 for the particle traces, I use them for my powered alien artifact.) but its not as easy as it was before. If you blink, you fail.
I only recently started Dilithium mining, and I usually get at least close 755 mark or what it is. It didn't seem as if the event changed anything.
Either I am lucky or you're unlucky.
This isn't luck, it's happening with all my toons. Something's definitely off. All I know for sure is that I am suddenly struggling, and it coincides with the event. :mad:
I'd love to be the people who are still getting high numbers "as usual."
I used to be a daily miner, with 16 alts (cause I used to be a lockbox *****), and I ALWAYS got 775+. I've mined millions in dilithium!
On Thursday I failed to get a full-pull about 25% of the time.
On Friday I failed about 33% of the time.
TO me it looks like a combination of several things:
1) It stays locked on the low modifiers way too long (+5 and +10)
2) It doesn't stay locked on the high modifiers long enough (+40, +45)
3) It takes a little longer than 1 second a pull (I'm sure it used to be 1 second)
So now I am hitting 660 and 695 WAY too often whereas I always had minimum of about 800 normally.
By my estimation, I have already LOST in the area of about 4-5000 in bonus dil in the past 2 days (I haven't started today yet)... if it wasn't for my claims, I bet I would have ended up even as though there were no bonus.
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I never get below 775. Usually my runs score above 855 and usually into the 900's. And I have been mining the past couple days and have not noticed any difference. Maybe you just aren't that good at it, seeing how your scores are in the 600's.
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I still average around 800+ each time. So its working...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I never get below 775. Usually my runs score above 855 and usually into the 900's. And I have been mining the past couple days and have not noticed any difference. Maybe you just aren't that good at it, seeing how your scores are in the 600's.
Yes, yes I get it "Me GOOD... you BAAAD."
Careful with the overcompensating you might burst something. I'm not saying that you might be"padding your stats" Iin some vain attempt to seem superior (though I sure am thinking it loudly). I fin you to "usually" be in the 900's unlikely.
You may be telling the truth, you might be a mining god, and if so I salute you... now go get some sun.
Prior to this event, I had always been 775 or better, usually in the low to mid 800's. Now, all of a sudden I am only pushing high 600's 2, sometime 3 times out of 5??? That doesn't add up.
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I went 10 for 10 on the max rewards today, so I would say the OP has lost his mojo. :rolleyes:
Me, I considered that on day one, but day two was even worse... Over 16 characters, that's 80 pulls ina day, for me to miss 20 or more 775's is unprecedented.
I've considered lag, but everything SEEMS to be running smoothly, unless it's a "smooth lag" caused by the new graphic settings where everything LOOKS right, but maybe I'm "out of phase" by like a second or 2.
It's possible I suddenly sick though, I'm not afraid to admit it, but if I am having that bad a slide, I should see a doctor.
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Makes no sense for them to have rigged it. Between this, and the mirror event reward, the market is flooded with dilithium; which drives up the cost of Zen, and makes folks that haven't been putting in extra dilithium grinding lately more likely to just spend cash instead.
I'd bet real money that something shiny is coming to the c-store fairly soon.
I'd love to be the people who are still getting high numbers "as usual."
I used to be a daily miner, with 16 alts (cause I used to be a lockbox *****), and I ALWAYS got 775+. I've mined millions in dilithium!
On Thursday I failed to get a full-pull about 25% of the time.
On Friday I failed about 33% of the time.
TO me it looks like a combination of several things:
1) It stays locked on the low modifiers way too long (+5 and +10)
2) It doesn't stay locked on the high modifiers long enough (+40, +45)
3) It takes a little longer than 1 second a pull (I'm sure it used to be 1 second)
1) The per pulse gain is gated by points, ie it is always changing to 10, 15 and so on after you get a certain score. If you stay at 5 or 10 too long it is because you are not scoring.
2) See above
3) Not sure what you mean by pull
Got 1200+ on a single node since the event has been running.
Fun time saving facts for those who like to spend as little time as possible mining...
First you can move to the next node while mining. Wait till you match the first triangle then move by holding down both mouse buttons and continue to mine with the arrow keys. Second you can close the mining window as soon as you hit 735 on the fleet mines and 775 at Vlugta if you want the blue particles. Doing both you can get to the next node, finish with 10+ seconds left and start next node. With good mining skills you can mine all 10 fleet nodes in ~8 minutes.
The S9 patch screwed up the graphics for a lot of people. User-side video lag can make the mining minigame much more difficult. Try tinkering with your graphics settings and see if your score improves.
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1) The per pulse gain is gated by points, ie it is always changing to 10, 15 and so on after you get a certain score. If you stay at 5 or 10 too long it is because you are not scoring.
2) See above
That's the point I am trying to make, it's not showing properly, at least for me, I suspect lag but it doesn't LOOK like I am lagging, doesn't give the usual signs (rubberbanding, the triangle bouncing all over the place, or the score going up and down), so I am suspecting I might be "time-shifted" while everything seems normal on my end, I may in fact be a second or 2 behind the server.
3) Not sure what you mean by pull
the time you spend locked on and drilling, the bar that fills up, it seems to me to be a fraction slower than it used to be (used to be about 1 second, but I time it as a hair over now). Again though, this could be a client side lag.
Got 1200+ on a single node since the event has been running.
Out of 200 nodes this event I've only broken 1000 maybe 5 times total, and I've come below 735 at least 20 times. I've never done that horrible.
Fun time saving facts for those who like to spend as little time as possible mining...
First you can move to the next node while mining. Wait till you match the first triangle then move by holding down both mouse buttons and continue to mine with the arrow keys. Second you can close the mining window as soon as you hit 735 on the fleet mines and 775 at Vlugta if you want the blue particles. Doing both you can get to the next node, finish with 10+ seconds left and start next node. With good mining skills you can mine all 10 fleet nodes in ~8 minutes.
Excellent tips for those just starting out.
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The S9 patch screwed up the graphics for a lot of people. User-side video lag can make the mining minigame much more difficult. Try tinkering with your graphics settings and see if your score improves.
Going to try going half resolution for the next run.
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Ok, so I set the graphics to medium by the new sliders (from max), time seems to RUN the same, but the triangle seems to move faster, and here is the scores:
985, 940, 940, 855, 855
So while is SEEMS like I was running smoothly at max graphics, it looks as though I was behind the server by a bit.
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Indeed. I find it odd that people are quoting scores of 800 plus, when you don't get any more dilithium (or samples or traces) beyond that.
I hit ESC at 775 Asteroid mining and 735 Fleet mining.
I do think lag may be partially responsible for my suddenly having such difficulties, but I think that is compounding a faster rotation rate of the mining markers, which is why I am sometimes not even making 600, when the last time that happened to me was when I first mined and was still using the mouse!
That is how much of a difference I am seeing.
And yes, S9 did TRIBBLE up my settings, but that was 10 days or so ago. I wasn't having this issue then. It has occurred after this week's maintenance.
Another reason for me to believe that there has been 'meddling' is because I have noticed a positive change as well that has occurred at the same time. I was one of those people who suffered white-outs, and had been still despite recently upgrading from XP to Win 7, and the graphics card with it.
All of a sudden - "poof". It's gone. It's not happening. Again, in just the last couple of days; this long-standing issue that seemed to be one Cryptic blamed on "older graphics cards" has suddenly stopped happening - just when I thought it was going to be a real pain for me this weekend.
Coincidence? Perhaps, but. I'm inclined to think there was more in the patch than has been admitted. Cryptic is hardly likely to admit that it has fixed something that it has never acknowledged being responsible for...
Not that I think one issue has been affected by the other. I'm saying that these two things have suddenly changed since the last maintenance patch, just prior to the Dilithium weekend, and that's a strong coincidence.
You only have to hit 700 to max out and once I figured out to stop using my mouse and use the arrow keys on my keyboard I always max out. The only times I don't is when I fat finger an extra key push.
I been a steady miner for a long time as it was a stop for my Dil run. Since it was a quick easy way to get around 1k Dil. Since Season 9 I been having a rough time as well. Where now I'm lucky to hit the max.
However after reading some others, I think the graphics settings is messing with me. I'm running an old computer anyways.
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They have changed it, but it hasn't been recently, and certainly not this week. Back in the day it used to consistently hold still for 5-6 seconds - I could get 5 tics almost every time. The only times it didn't was when someone was mining the same rock as me. I don't know why that would matter, but it seemed to make a difference.
Now, though, it seems to be random. Sometimes it will sit still for five tics, sometimes just one. I don't know when this changed, but it was sometime in the last several months (since I only started using the mine again the last dil weekend).
Hmm, and here I am happy to even break 600 points. Got some Rich Claims so gave it a shot over the last few days (had never done it before); there some trick that works and more accurately than arrow keys or something?
They have changed it, but it hasn't been recently, and certainly not this week. Back in the day it used to consistently hold still for 5-6 seconds - I could get 5 tics almost every time. The only times it didn't was when someone was mining the same rock as me. I don't know why that would matter, but it seemed to make a difference.
Now, though, it seems to be random. Sometimes it will sit still for five tics, sometimes just one. I don't know when this changed, but it was sometime in the last several months (since I only started using the mine again the last dil weekend).
I think they did this many months ago. Cause I noticed this as well. I had one barley stay still for 1 tic. And some will stay for a few tics. However since Season 9. Its a lot worse. But I wonder its due to graphics being different since I had to set it. Where before I ran what ever the game gave me from start up. My computer is old, so that has a factor in it as well.
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I have noticed this as well. After you line up the mini game rectacle so the points will add up, it quickly changes to a new spot. Feels like they have increased the rate at witch it does this. i still get my 735, (i try for 775 for the particle traces, I use them for my powered alien artifact.) but its not as easy as it was before. If you blink, you fail.
This isn't luck, it's happening with all my toons. Something's definitely off. All I know for sure is that I am suddenly struggling, and it coincides with the event. :mad:
i've gotten 1100+ before, only once though
I used to be a daily miner, with 16 alts (cause I used to be a lockbox *****), and I ALWAYS got 775+. I've mined millions in dilithium!
On Thursday I failed to get a full-pull about 25% of the time.
On Friday I failed about 33% of the time.
TO me it looks like a combination of several things:
1) It stays locked on the low modifiers way too long (+5 and +10)
2) It doesn't stay locked on the high modifiers long enough (+40, +45)
3) It takes a little longer than 1 second a pull (I'm sure it used to be 1 second)
So now I am hitting 660 and 695 WAY too often whereas I always had minimum of about 800 normally.
By my estimation, I have already LOST in the area of about 4-5000 in bonus dil in the past 2 days (I haven't started today yet)... if it wasn't for my claims, I bet I would have ended up even as though there were no bonus.
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Yes, yes I get it "Me GOOD... you BAAAD."
Careful with the overcompensating you might burst something. I'm not saying that you might be"padding your stats" Iin some vain attempt to seem superior (though I sure am thinking it loudly). I fin you to "usually" be in the 900's unlikely.
You may be telling the truth, you might be a mining god, and if so I salute you... now go get some sun.
Prior to this event, I had always been 775 or better, usually in the low to mid 800's. Now, all of a sudden I am only pushing high 600's 2, sometime 3 times out of 5??? That doesn't add up.
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Me, I considered that on day one, but day two was even worse... Over 16 characters, that's 80 pulls ina day, for me to miss 20 or more 775's is unprecedented.
I've considered lag, but everything SEEMS to be running smoothly, unless it's a "smooth lag" caused by the new graphic settings where everything LOOKS right, but maybe I'm "out of phase" by like a second or 2.
It's possible I suddenly sick though, I'm not afraid to admit it, but if I am having that bad a slide, I should see a doctor.
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I'd bet real money that something shiny is coming to the c-store fairly soon.
1) The per pulse gain is gated by points, ie it is always changing to 10, 15 and so on after you get a certain score. If you stay at 5 or 10 too long it is because you are not scoring.
2) See above
3) Not sure what you mean by pull
Got 1200+ on a single node since the event has been running.
Fun time saving facts for those who like to spend as little time as possible mining...
First you can move to the next node while mining. Wait till you match the first triangle then move by holding down both mouse buttons and continue to mine with the arrow keys. Second you can close the mining window as soon as you hit 735 on the fleet mines and 775 at Vlugta if you want the blue particles. Doing both you can get to the next node, finish with 10+ seconds left and start next node. With good mining skills you can mine all 10 fleet nodes in ~8 minutes.
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That's the point I am trying to make, it's not showing properly, at least for me, I suspect lag but it doesn't LOOK like I am lagging, doesn't give the usual signs (rubberbanding, the triangle bouncing all over the place, or the score going up and down), so I am suspecting I might be "time-shifted" while everything seems normal on my end, I may in fact be a second or 2 behind the server.
the time you spend locked on and drilling, the bar that fills up, it seems to me to be a fraction slower than it used to be (used to be about 1 second, but I time it as a hair over now). Again though, this could be a client side lag.
Out of 200 nodes this event I've only broken 1000 maybe 5 times total, and I've come below 735 at least 20 times. I've never done that horrible.
Excellent tips for those just starting out.
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Going to try going half resolution for the next run.
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985, 940, 940, 855, 855
So while is SEEMS like I was running smoothly at max graphics, it looks as though I was behind the server by a bit.
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Indeed. I find it odd that people are quoting scores of 800 plus, when you don't get any more dilithium (or samples or traces) beyond that.
I hit ESC at 775 Asteroid mining and 735 Fleet mining.
I do think lag may be partially responsible for my suddenly having such difficulties, but I think that is compounding a faster rotation rate of the mining markers, which is why I am sometimes not even making 600, when the last time that happened to me was when I first mined and was still using the mouse!
That is how much of a difference I am seeing.
And yes, S9 did TRIBBLE up my settings, but that was 10 days or so ago. I wasn't having this issue then. It has occurred after this week's maintenance.
Another reason for me to believe that there has been 'meddling' is because I have noticed a positive change as well that has occurred at the same time. I was one of those people who suffered white-outs, and had been still despite recently upgrading from XP to Win 7, and the graphics card with it.
All of a sudden - "poof". It's gone. It's not happening. Again, in just the last couple of days; this long-standing issue that seemed to be one Cryptic blamed on "older graphics cards" has suddenly stopped happening - just when I thought it was going to be a real pain for me this weekend.
Coincidence? Perhaps, but. I'm inclined to think there was more in the patch than has been admitted. Cryptic is hardly likely to admit that it has fixed something that it has never acknowledged being responsible for...
Not that I think one issue has been affected by the other. I'm saying that these two things have suddenly changed since the last maintenance patch, just prior to the Dilithium weekend, and that's a strong coincidence.
My average score hasn't been affected. It's possible that there's some network lag occurring that's out of your control... and affecting the play.
I guess cryptic just hates you.
However after reading some others, I think the graphics settings is messing with me. I'm running an old computer anyways.
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Now, though, it seems to be random. Sometimes it will sit still for five tics, sometimes just one. I don't know when this changed, but it was sometime in the last several months (since I only started using the mine again the last dil weekend).
I think they did this many months ago. Cause I noticed this as well. I had one barley stay still for 1 tic. And some will stay for a few tics. However since Season 9. Its a lot worse. But I wonder its due to graphics being different since I had to set it. Where before I ran what ever the game gave me from start up. My computer is old, so that has a factor in it as well.
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