when the playable Hirogen ships first came out, people were extatic (from what i remember) everyone wanted one, and i can't blame them, i own an Apex, amazing cruiser really, but now adays i barely see ANY Hirogen ships flying around, heck, i recieve around 2 PM's a day asking "what ship is that? i've never seen it before" while the Apex is engiee focused on consoles (5 engi consoles) however the boff layout does allow for tactical play, i run it on my tac romulan.
anyways, the question: why are there so few of them around?
Could be a couple of reasons. I don't see many Hirogen ships as well.
1 - The lock box run was too short? Usually I have a lot of them in the bank waiting to be open. Specially if its ones I want to open later. This time I only have a few. Barely over 20. Where my Dominion filled up a bulk load of my bank.
2 - People didn't much care for the Hirogen? This could be a factor.
3 - Burned out. This could be as well as most people are getting burned out. Cause every few months or weeks, a new lockbox comes out and starts the cycle again.
Personally I would love to have a Apex or the Escort to use. However opening boxes is low on my list for now. However I got 1 more ship to buy. Then I will start opening boxes. Since I only buy off the store every few months. Soon I will start opening my boxes I stored up. And get the lobi for it. Since the Exchange prices are outrageous and I can never afford.
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Could be a couple of reasons. I don't see many Hirogen ships as well.
1 - The lock box run was too short? Usually I have a lot of them in the bank waiting to be open. Specially if its ones I want to open later. This time I only have a few. Barely over 20. Where my Dominion filled up a bulk load of my bank.
2 - People didn't much care for the Hirogen? This could be a factor.
3 - Burned out. This could be as well as most people are getting burned out. Cause every few months or weeks, a new lockbox comes out and starts the cycle again.
Personally I would love to have a Apex or the Escort to use. However opening boxes is low on my list for now. However I got 1 more ship to buy. Then I will start opening boxes. Since I only buy off the store every few months. Soon I will start opening my boxes I stored up. And get the lobi for it. Since the Exchange prices are outrageous and I can never afford.
the burnout idea seems abit off to me, i often see old lobi/lockbox ships around, especially the Dominion Dreadnought, but then again, that ship is probably the best carrier in the game
I have an Apex for my FED-aligned, Romulan Republic, Hirogen captain. Just haven't been flying him much since getting him to level 50. Need to start him up again. I want to get the Hirogen escort for him, too. But you're right, I don't see many Hirogen player ships around either.
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Maybe because they are boring, I mean look at them. They are flying power drills. They look like something you use to hammer a nail in with. To quote the late great Douglas Adams.
Like all Vogon ships, it looked as if it had been not so much designed, as congealed. The unpleasant yellow lumps and edifices which protruded from it at unsightly angles would have disfigured the looks of most ships, but in this case, that was sadly impossible. Uglier things have been spotted in the skies, but not by reliable witnesses.
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Maybe because they are boring, I mean look at them. They are flying power drills. They look like something you use to hammer a nail in with. To quote the late great Douglas Adams.
Boring?? lol. I have an apex and i love it.
You dont like the hirogen ships, we get it, but dude, there are ships far more awful than the apex. I hate the undine ships. I hate scimitars (SOOO TIRED of seing em all around, seriusly). I hate a lot of ships that are supossed to be more popular than hirogen ones. Im sure you are one of those who pilots a scimitar, well i dont like scimitars, and they are syper hyper mega boring, far more than the apex battleship.
In fact, hahahahahahaha, The Apex is one of the most beautiful ships if you look closer. Thats not the reason lol
The reason is, probably that the special abilities of the Hirogen ships are useless or really stupid. As a tank, the APEX is just awesome. It can take everything the enemies throw at it. And it all depends on the build you have. But it is a shame that cryptic didnt have the guts to give em more useful skills.
AND, because A LOT of people are really dissapointed in having an Awesome Ship like the Apex WITHOUT a carrier bay. I think this was the main reason people just avoided to use the apex. It made no sense at all.
The shape of the ship is a bit weird, but it is a ship and there are out ther ships with even more strange shapes, and people uses it.
I agree the hirogen escort is tooooo small and not really usable for that matter, but the Apex?? lol. It is great.
Dont mix tastes with anything else.
On a sidenote, i really like that you can see only a few hirogen ships, that makes em more original and unique lol. I really dont like to see scimitars everywhere, or galaxy packs everywhere, it is not realistic. lol.
Besides, as the guy said in the second post. People ARE TIRED of lockboxes, and they dont open so many as before. Look now, i only can barely see 1 undine ship in about 4 hours of playing. I hate undine ships, they are awful the way cryptic made em, and that, plus other things, is making people to start thinking with their heads and not with their pocket.
I preferred the look of the old Apex. The new Apex for some odd reason makes me think of a garbage freighter. Then again, some folks probably thought that of the old Apex model. Different folks will like different things. That alone would not be reason enough to stop me from flying a ship though...I fly some damn fugly ships.
Stat-wise, it's a tough sell over other ships out there. If you're a Fed, why would you want the Apex over an Odyssey or one of the other Cruisers or even the Avenger? If you're KDF, why would you want the Apex over a Bortas or the various other Battle Cruiser options you have? If you're Rom, why would you want it over one of the Warbirds (heh, not just the Scimitar - but even some of the other "Battle Cruiser"-like Warbirds)?
One could even stretch that out to include the other non-Faction Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Battleships, Flight-Deck Cruisers, etc, etc, etc...eh?
It's a point of saturation...if somebody's already got a ship that's close to it - outside of the collector that might pick it up to have it but not really fly it...why would somebody pick it up?
For somebody that doesn't have a ship like it that is looking for a ship like it...well then it becomes a possibility. But unlike the Zen boats, they're also going to be looking at this ship on only one character vs. the availability on multiple characters.
It's kind of funny though, mind you - back when LoR was just a tease, I myself teased some of the folks looking forward to Romulans by saying that's fine - they could have their Romulans, I was looking forward to playing a Hirogen with a broadsiding Apex Battleship! Quite a bit changed from then through the end of last year when I deleted eight of my nine toons, and rerolled seven of them as KDF...and making the choice to fly only Faction ships. In the end, I think that's where there's been a stir of backlash growing...folks wanting to play Star Trek Online rather than generic starship online.
This must be a joke lol. The old one was really ugly. Really really ugly compared with the new one. The old one was just a piece of chunk in space. And this is the CLASSIC hirogen battleship, that appeared in Voyager. So, every trekkie here will love this new apex. I do. And because i want to have a different ship on every toon i have, and i always loved the Apex, thats the reason i got one. You dont need any special reason to use one ship or another.
This must be a joke lol. The old one was really ugly. Really really ugly compared with the new one. The old one was just a piece of chunk in space. And this is the CLASSIC hirogen battleship, that appeared in Voyager. So, every trekkie here will love this new apex. I do. And because i want to have a different ship on every toon i have, and i always loved the Apex, thats the reason i got one. You dont need any special reason to use one ship or another.
Every Trekkie will love the new Apex? Kind of presumptuous...Hell, it's kind of presumptuous to think that every Trekkie can even tolerate having to accept that Voyager is part of the Star Trek IP...
With an increasing number of ships being added you are going to see your favourite ship decrease in frequency of appearance. And that's on too of the fact everything is instanced. Select any lockbox ship and then try to see how often it appears.
It's also one of the less famous ones. Everyone should know a ferengi ship of a cardassian ship but not everyone watched voyager or got to the later seasons. It also was not part of the original hirogen mob group so people are not used to see even the enemy fly it.
ok people, would you please take that topic to somewhere else? i made this thread for discussing the minimal use of the Apex, not to argue about which version is the best :P
Yeah I don't see many...main reason I guess is that its not considered to be very good in relation to other options. Also if a ship isn't considered good in PvP you won't see many.
This must be a joke lol. The old one was really ugly. Really really ugly compared with the new one. The old one was just a piece of chunk in space. And this is the CLASSIC hirogen battleship, that appeared in Voyager. So, every trekkie here will love this new apex. I do. And because i want to have a different ship on every toon i have, and i always loved the Apex, thats the reason i got one. You dont need any special reason to use one ship or another.
I didn't like it, but now I do. And only because you, and everyone else here, does! :cool:
Dominion -> LoR -> Tal Shiar -> Elachi -> Voth -> Hirogen (WTF?) -> Undine
Hindsight and all, but still...I would have gone with the Hirogen either before LoR or before the Voth. Given it would require going back further to have replaced the Dominion box and then figuring out when it would have been done (Expansion 2ish timeframe, imho)...dropping out the Hirogen before the Voth one so you were still riding the LoR/Tal Shiar/Elachi thing - might have seen more oh, ah, and the rest.
Cause then you'd have been dropping out the Voth box around the same time as S8.5 with the DSDs..which would have allowed for some play with the Voth from S8 and those Voth ships finding their way into the hands of the players.
So basically from LoR...
LoR -> Tal Shiar -> Elachi -> Hirogen -> Voth -> Undine
...we might have seen more Apex out there than we do.
The Hirogen box...just so out of place there between the Voth and Undine, eh?
I believe this is the result of the fact that this game is simply surfeited with ships.
The unavoidable consequence of focussing almost the ENTIRE development on throwing new ships out for a long time.
Because people love new ships, right? No need to put thought into content, ground, old ships....
The apex doesn't have much new to offer. No ship I can imagine has.
I just don't see anything redeemable with the Apex Cruiser. There's better Cruisers / Battlecruisers available to the Feds & KDF and you won't have to break your back over acquiring them. Hell, you can say that with most of the lockbox / lobi Cruisers. The Fed & KDF Cruiser / Battlecruiser lineup is rock solid.
The Hirogen Hunter is a statistically fantastic ship, but I care nothing about the consoles nor their bonus. And the Apex had nothing redeemable about it.
I like the look of the Acamarian ships and back when I was doing the non-Faction thing, I kind of had wished they'd drop those out.
Since you edited your reply...
Every Trekkie will love the new Apex? Kind of presumptuous...Hell, it's kind of presumptuous to think that every Trekkie can even tolerate having to accept that Voyager is part of the Star Trek IP...
ERM, i thought you were talking about the OLD MODELS invention of cryptic that were present before the hirogen lockbox was released.
That other hirogen ship is not an old model, it is just another hirogen ship class that was never released. It is supossed to be a carrier. But since it never went out, the apex should carried an hangar bay. And i like it of course. I love all hirogen models, but the most, the apex. Since i saw it for first time on voyager lol.
I just don't see anything redeemable with the Apex Cruiser. There's better Cruisers / Battlecruisers available to the Feds & KDF and you won't have to break your back over acquiring them. Hell, you can say that with most of the lockbox / lobi Cruisers. The Fed & KDF Cruiser / Battlecruiser lineup is rock solid.
The Hirogen Hunter is a statistically fantastic ship, but I care nothing about the consoles nor their bonus. And the Apex had nothing redeemable about it.
Because 75% of the times you will adquire a lobi ship becasue you love their appearance, not for anything else. A LOT of lobi and lockboxes ships are TRIBBLE, and they are really awful, others arent.
I always loved the apex for the design, and it is a great (better than i thought) tanky and it has a really interesting boff layout. And because if i dont like most of the starfleet battlecruisers, cruisers or watever, i have other options, and for me the apex is a great one. It fits my engineer build perfectly fine. There are better ships out there?? of course lol, tons of em. So what?
Dont tell me, you are another of those who only plays to be the "best" , meaning yo need to have the best ship, the best weapons, the best equipment and the best all. Right?? lol.
I just don't see anything redeemable with the Apex Cruiser. There's better Cruisers / Battlecruisers available to the Feds & KDF and you won't have to break your back over acquiring them. Hell, you can say that with most of the lockbox / lobi Cruisers. The Fed & KDF Cruiser / Battlecruiser lineup is rock solid.
The Hirogen Hunter is a statistically fantastic ship, but I care nothing about the consoles nor their bonus. And the Apex had nothing redeemable about it.
see, that's often the problem with trying to argue the lobi/lockbox VS other ships, now lemme make it totally clear, im not trying to start an arguement, i just want to get a single fact straight, which is often the real reason why people like me get these "special" ships: looks. sure, i can get other ships with equal stats for much cheaper, but that won't give me the visuals of the "special" ships.
EDIT: also, i did NOT see the post above me so sowwy if im a little repetitive :P
Yeah you will prefer an undine lockbox instead.. i presume. Hirogen lockbox was out of place, but it was a desired one. A few posts in these forums can talk about it. I think for once, cryptic just nailed it (maybe was pure luck..) , but the problem was, the ships are not what people expected in terms of performance. The apex should have a carrier bay, for example. Its non sense that a ship with that configuration and size doesnt have a carrier bay.. and the innate skills of the hirogen ships are just TRIBBLE.
But as i said, i pilot the apex cuz i love its design and it is as good as any other good ship focused on an engineer build.
Because 75% of the times you will adquire a lobi ship becasue you love their appearance, not for anything else. A LOT of lobi and lockboxes ships are TRIBBLE, and they are really awful, others arent.
I always loved the apex for the design, and it is a great (better than i thought) tanky and it has a really interesting boff layout. And because if i dont like most of the starfleet battlecruisers, cruisers or watever, i have other options, and for me the apex is a great one. It fits my engineer build perfectly fine. There are better ships out there?? of course lol, tons of em. So what?
Dont tell me, you are another of those who only plays to be the "best" , meaning yo need to have the best ship, the best weapons, the best equipment and the best all. Right?? lol.
i COMPLETLY agree! my main fed is running a Dominion dreadnought as his flag, since i don't really like the saucer design too much, and my rommie is using lobi/lockbox ships because i dislike singularity powers, frankly, i'd prefer keeping the normal powerlevels and lose the sing, but that's a discussion for some other thread
i COMPLETLY agree! my main fed is running a Dominion dreadnought as his flag, since i don't really like the saucer design too much, and my rommie is using lobi/lockbox ships because i dislike singularity powers, frankly, i'd prefer keeping the normal powerlevels and lose the sing, but that's a discussion for some other thread
Well.. i wouldnt mind to have the Dominion dreadnougth as well... lol. :P and its probably that someday i will buy it
Because 75% of the times you will adquire a lobi ship becasue you love their appearance, not for anything else. A LOT of lobi and lockboxes ships are TRIBBLE, and they are really awful, others arent.
I always loved the apex for the design, and it is a great (better than i thought) tanky and it has a really interesting boff layout. And because if i dont like most of the starfleet battlecruisers, cruisers or watever, i have other options, and for me the apex is a great one. It fits my engineer build perfectly fine. There are better ships out there?? of course lol, tons of em. So what?
Dont tell me, you are another of those who only plays to be the "best" , meaning yo need to have the best ship, the best weapons, the best equipment and the best all. Right?? lol.
If I was playing the "best" ships around, I'd be using the Avenger or Scimitar all the time. I don't. The Avenger looks horrid, and the Scimitar is too FOTM for my tastes. The Hirogen ships aren't to my liking, they look like garbage cans, but statistically, the Hunter is very, very capable.
TRIBBLEuming alot, aren't you? :rolleyes:
Let's be real here: There are more pleasingly looking, canon cruisers / battlecruisers on the Fed & KDF lineup that are great performers.
Fleet Sovereign
Fleet Excelsior
Mirror Heavy Cruiser (extremely good, even more so as a cheap mirror ship)
Fleet Vor'Cha
Negh'Var / Mirror Negh'Var (Mirror Hvy Cruiser with built in cloaks and stronger hull)
And I'm not even touching the non-canon stuff here...
statistically, its the worst tac cruiser that comes with a LTC tac. the ship ALMOST had a chance to be really interesting, with the original 2 LTC stations setup it had at first in the blog, but they killed it. pretty hard to justify the buying it when the monbosh is there right next to it in the lobi store
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1 - The lock box run was too short? Usually I have a lot of them in the bank waiting to be open. Specially if its ones I want to open later. This time I only have a few. Barely over 20. Where my Dominion filled up a bulk load of my bank.
2 - People didn't much care for the Hirogen? This could be a factor.
3 - Burned out. This could be as well as most people are getting burned out. Cause every few months or weeks, a new lockbox comes out and starts the cycle again.
Personally I would love to have a Apex or the Escort to use. However opening boxes is low on my list for now. However I got 1 more ship to buy. Then I will start opening boxes. Since I only buy off the store every few months. Soon I will start opening my boxes I stored up. And get the lobi for it. Since the Exchange prices are outrageous and I can never afford.
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the burnout idea seems abit off to me, i often see old lobi/lockbox ships around, especially the Dominion Dreadnought, but then again, that ship is probably the best carrier in the game
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Like all Vogon ships, it looked as if it had been not so much designed, as congealed. The unpleasant yellow lumps and edifices which protruded from it at unsightly angles would have disfigured the looks of most ships, but in this case, that was sadly impossible. Uglier things have been spotted in the skies, but not by reliable witnesses.
"The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't."
Boring?? lol. I have an apex and i love it.
You dont like the hirogen ships, we get it, but dude, there are ships far more awful than the apex. I hate the undine ships. I hate scimitars (SOOO TIRED of seing em all around, seriusly). I hate a lot of ships that are supossed to be more popular than hirogen ones. Im sure you are one of those who pilots a scimitar, well i dont like scimitars, and they are syper hyper mega boring, far more than the apex battleship.
In fact, hahahahahahaha, The Apex is one of the most beautiful ships if you look closer. Thats not the reason lol
The reason is, probably that the special abilities of the Hirogen ships are useless or really stupid. As a tank, the APEX is just awesome. It can take everything the enemies throw at it. And it all depends on the build you have. But it is a shame that cryptic didnt have the guts to give em more useful skills.
AND, because A LOT of people are really dissapointed in having an Awesome Ship like the Apex WITHOUT a carrier bay. I think this was the main reason people just avoided to use the apex. It made no sense at all.
The shape of the ship is a bit weird, but it is a ship and there are out ther ships with even more strange shapes, and people uses it.
I agree the hirogen escort is tooooo small and not really usable for that matter, but the Apex?? lol. It is great.
Dont mix tastes with anything else.
On a sidenote, i really like that you can see only a few hirogen ships, that makes em more original and unique lol. I really dont like to see scimitars everywhere, or galaxy packs everywhere, it is not realistic. lol.
Besides, as the guy said in the second post. People ARE TIRED of lockboxes, and they dont open so many as before. Look now, i only can barely see 1 undine ship in about 4 hours of playing. I hate undine ships, they are awful the way cryptic made em, and that, plus other things, is making people to start thinking with their heads and not with their pocket.
Stat-wise, it's a tough sell over other ships out there. If you're a Fed, why would you want the Apex over an Odyssey or one of the other Cruisers or even the Avenger? If you're KDF, why would you want the Apex over a Bortas or the various other Battle Cruiser options you have? If you're Rom, why would you want it over one of the Warbirds (heh, not just the Scimitar - but even some of the other "Battle Cruiser"-like Warbirds)?
One could even stretch that out to include the other non-Faction Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Battleships, Flight-Deck Cruisers, etc, etc, etc...eh?
It's a point of saturation...if somebody's already got a ship that's close to it - outside of the collector that might pick it up to have it but not really fly it...why would somebody pick it up?
For somebody that doesn't have a ship like it that is looking for a ship like it...well then it becomes a possibility. But unlike the Zen boats, they're also going to be looking at this ship on only one character vs. the availability on multiple characters.
It's kind of funny though, mind you - back when LoR was just a tease, I myself teased some of the folks looking forward to Romulans by saying that's fine - they could have their Romulans, I was looking forward to playing a Hirogen with a broadsiding Apex Battleship! Quite a bit changed from then through the end of last year when I deleted eight of my nine toons, and rerolled seven of them as KDF...and making the choice to fly only Faction ships. In the end, I think that's where there's been a stir of backlash growing...folks wanting to play Star Trek Online rather than generic starship online.
This must be a joke lol. The old one was really ugly. Really really ugly compared with the new one. The old one was just a piece of chunk in space. And this is the CLASSIC hirogen battleship, that appeared in Voyager. So, every trekkie here will love this new apex. I do. And because i want to have a different ship on every toon i have, and i always loved the Apex, thats the reason i got one. You dont need any special reason to use one ship or another.
Not in the least.
New: http://sto.gamepedia.com/File:HirogenBattlecruiser.jpg?version=59a5c8a0c101897c410429719d7a0109
Old: http://sto.gamepedia.com/File:Generic_Battleship_Acamarian.png?version=541858592ad371159d3177feaefd47ca
I like the look of the Acamarian ships and back when I was doing the non-Faction thing, I kind of had wished they'd drop those out.
Since you edited your reply...
Every Trekkie will love the new Apex? Kind of presumptuous...Hell, it's kind of presumptuous to think that every Trekkie can even tolerate having to accept that Voyager is part of the Star Trek IP...
The Venatic...
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/hirogen1.htm
http://archive.today/FY8L
Again, the Apex...
http://sto.gamepedia.com/File:HirogenBattlecruiser.jpg?version=035eda947a9c9502366a837dfeeeffaf
edit: The links for the Venatic also show the Hunter.
It's also one of the less famous ones. Everyone should know a ferengi ship of a cardassian ship but not everyone watched voyager or got to the later seasons. It also was not part of the original hirogen mob group so people are not used to see even the enemy fly it.
I have never seen a bulwark voth ship.
Those romulan/Borg mixed ships I see a lot.
But cryptic is trying to create rarity.
I didn't like it, but now I do. And only because you, and everyone else here, does! :cool:
to me, it was just very unexpected
I was surprised by the order of them, honestly.
Dominion -> LoR -> Tal Shiar -> Elachi -> Voth -> Hirogen (WTF?) -> Undine
Hindsight and all, but still...I would have gone with the Hirogen either before LoR or before the Voth. Given it would require going back further to have replaced the Dominion box and then figuring out when it would have been done (Expansion 2ish timeframe, imho)...dropping out the Hirogen before the Voth one so you were still riding the LoR/Tal Shiar/Elachi thing - might have seen more oh, ah, and the rest.
Cause then you'd have been dropping out the Voth box around the same time as S8.5 with the DSDs..which would have allowed for some play with the Voth from S8 and those Voth ships finding their way into the hands of the players.
So basically from LoR...
LoR -> Tal Shiar -> Elachi -> Hirogen -> Voth -> Undine
...we might have seen more Apex out there than we do.
The Hirogen box...just so out of place there between the Voth and Undine, eh?
The unavoidable consequence of focussing almost the ENTIRE development on throwing new ships out for a long time.
Because people love new ships, right? No need to put thought into content, ground, old ships....
The apex doesn't have much new to offer. No ship I can imagine has.
The Hirogen Hunter is a statistically fantastic ship, but I care nothing about the consoles nor their bonus. And the Apex had nothing redeemable about it.
ERM, i thought you were talking about the OLD MODELS invention of cryptic that were present before the hirogen lockbox was released.
That other hirogen ship is not an old model, it is just another hirogen ship class that was never released. It is supossed to be a carrier. But since it never went out, the apex should carried an hangar bay. And i like it of course. I love all hirogen models, but the most, the apex. Since i saw it for first time on voyager lol.
Because 75% of the times you will adquire a lobi ship becasue you love their appearance, not for anything else. A LOT of lobi and lockboxes ships are TRIBBLE, and they are really awful, others arent.
I always loved the apex for the design, and it is a great (better than i thought) tanky and it has a really interesting boff layout. And because if i dont like most of the starfleet battlecruisers, cruisers or watever, i have other options, and for me the apex is a great one. It fits my engineer build perfectly fine. There are better ships out there?? of course lol, tons of em. So what?
Dont tell me, you are another of those who only plays to be the "best" , meaning yo need to have the best ship, the best weapons, the best equipment and the best all. Right?? lol.
see, that's often the problem with trying to argue the lobi/lockbox VS other ships, now lemme make it totally clear, im not trying to start an arguement, i just want to get a single fact straight, which is often the real reason why people like me get these "special" ships: looks. sure, i can get other ships with equal stats for much cheaper, but that won't give me the visuals of the "special" ships.
EDIT: also, i did NOT see the post above me so sowwy if im a little repetitive :P
Yeah you will prefer an undine lockbox instead.. i presume. Hirogen lockbox was out of place, but it was a desired one. A few posts in these forums can talk about it. I think for once, cryptic just nailed it (maybe was pure luck..) , but the problem was, the ships are not what people expected in terms of performance. The apex should have a carrier bay, for example. Its non sense that a ship with that configuration and size doesnt have a carrier bay.. and the innate skills of the hirogen ships are just TRIBBLE.
But as i said, i pilot the apex cuz i love its design and it is as good as any other good ship focused on an engineer build.
i COMPLETLY agree! my main fed is running a Dominion dreadnought as his flag, since i don't really like the saucer design too much, and my rommie is using lobi/lockbox ships because i dislike singularity powers, frankly, i'd prefer keeping the normal powerlevels and lose the sing, but that's a discussion for some other thread
Well.. i wouldnt mind to have the Dominion dreadnougth as well... lol. :P and its probably that someday i will buy it
it's worth it! it's like the perfect combination of battlecruiser and aircraft carrier.
If I was playing the "best" ships around, I'd be using the Avenger or Scimitar all the time. I don't. The Avenger looks horrid, and the Scimitar is too FOTM for my tastes. The Hirogen ships aren't to my liking, they look like garbage cans, but statistically, the Hunter is very, very capable.
TRIBBLEuming alot, aren't you? :rolleyes:
Let's be real here: There are more pleasingly looking, canon cruisers / battlecruisers on the Fed & KDF lineup that are great performers.
Fleet Sovereign
Fleet Excelsior
Mirror Heavy Cruiser (extremely good, even more so as a cheap mirror ship)
Fleet Vor'Cha
Negh'Var / Mirror Negh'Var (Mirror Hvy Cruiser with built in cloaks and stronger hull)
And I'm not even touching the non-canon stuff here...