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Should Omega rep sets no longer require BNPs?

vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,984 Arc User
since they have done away with the MK XI level sets, and the costs are still as high if not higher than other rep sets, perhaps the need for BNPs be reconsidered.

the sets are not THAT much better than other rep sets, are they?
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    since they have done away with the MK XI level sets, and the costs are still as high if not higher than other rep sets, perhaps the need for BNPs be reconsidered.

    Uh, no. Dyson Sphere equipment projects still take Voth Cybernetic Implants, and 8472 equipment projects require Isomorphic Injections. Both only have Mk XII gear, just like Omega- so what makes Omega such a special little snowflake that it should have its requirements reduced?
  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm pretty sure the new Undine set requires Isomorphic Injectors, and the Dyson sets require Voth Cybernetic Implants. It's not time to reconsider it; it's becoming the norm.

    In fact, I think the BNP requirement was only added with Season 9.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    nikkojt wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the new Undine set requires Isomorphic Injectors, and the Dyson sets require Voth Cybernetic Implants. It's not time to reconsider it; it's becoming the norm.

    In fact, I think the BNP requirement was only added with Season 9.

    BNP's existed before the reputations did. :confused:
  • dkshadow9498dkshadow9498 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    nikkojt wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the new Undine set requires Isomorphic Injectors, and the Dyson sets require Voth Cybernetic Implants. It's not time to reconsider it; it's becoming the norm.

    In fact, I think the BNP requirement was only added with Season 9.


    MKII Omega/MACO/KHG always needed BNP's...

    As someone who personally owns MKXI sets, I can understand the want for MKXII that doesn't need BNP's. As, like me, a lot of people don't care for STF's.

    The argument USED to be "well, if you don't care for STF's you can always get the MKXI gear."

    But now you no longer have that argument. You also now have a lot of people who are in the middle of the Omega grind who have found that there is no longer much useful gear that is obtainable: (you lose 2 ground sets and 2 space sets per faction).

    On the plus side, you get 10 BNP's for T5 and with the new requirements for the Assimilated set, you can now afford the complete space set without ever STF'ing.


    Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a "Regular" MKXII set that doesn't need any special materials (in all reps), and then an "Elite" version that DOES require the parts.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    BNP's existed before the reputations did. :confused:

    BNPs were introduced in Season 7 with the Omega Reputation. EDCs existed before reputations and was removed when Season 7 went live. Before, it required getting a very rare drop that let you exchange it for a specific type of item. Before Season 7, I only did enough Borg STFs to get the Borg sets due to my hatred towards the RNG.
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  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the sets are not THAT much better than other rep sets, are they?

    They are on par, with pros and cons.

    The current costs are fine IMO.

    [Edit] meant the ground sets. Space... I'm not really sure.
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I honestly only gathered about 20 nbp in all the time i played, only enough to buy the maco shield XII, the engines and i think the deflector (cant even remember, i dont even use em right now... lol).

    The thing, is not that high the difference between a mk XI version and the mk XII, not enough to waste time doing some non brained STFs. Voth implants and isomorfic injectors can be adquired without the need to be dependent of a queued mission, just playing in a group in a normal game-play, and even if still prefer by far doing STFs instead the stupid vicious cycle of the undine (god, cryptic really messed up with this), BNPs should be adquired in a way similiar to the dyson and undine reps. More , lets say comfortable.

    I never needed mkXII items of the omega reputation, in fact i think bnps are useful only if you want to get the maco custome unlock, you will do just fine with MkXI items (and you will have more than enough).

    And since right now, doing the reputations is far easier than before, i think cryptic should make the jump to the borg reputation and make a borg battlezone or something like that, instead so many stupid and annoying stfs. And adquire bnps in a battlezone way, like's undine or voth.
  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No, we had Encrypted Data Chips before that as well as Borg Salvage and Borg Tech and speaking of Borg Tech ...




    Before only way to get a Task Force Omega Mk XII sets was getting Prototype Borg Tech that was RNG DROP ONLY and SPECIFIC, ISE only had the chance to drop Borg Shield Tech so if you wanted the ground set you had to do all the ground STFs for each part.

    You kids and your rep ... back in my days we RNG drops on STFs and Prototype Borg Tech wasnt assured, many of us had several Mk XI sets because we had Rare drops and not Prototype drops.

    damn, i remember those...good times, good times. Long hours of grinding for a chance of getting anything good.....only thing i wish they kep was the unmarked Borg set, and the fact it was so easy to acquire.....now, its a PITA just like everything else lol
  • mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It might be nice to have a way to get BNP on ground, I guess, for people who don't like STFs, like the Voth gear has the ground Battlezone. Some kind of wrapper mission on Defera, say.

    Personally I've never found BNP all that hard to come by, but then, I don't mind PuGging ISE.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And since right now, doing the reputations is far easier than before, i think cryptic should make the jump to the borg reputation and make a borg battlezone or something like that, instead so many stupid and annoying stfs. And adquire bnps in a battlezone way, like's undine or voth.

    There's this place called Defera, see...add BNPs to that and bam, we're cooking with gas again.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No, we had Encrypted Data Chips before that as well as Borg Salvage and Borg Tech and speaking of Borg Tech ...

    Same thing different name. :rolleyes:
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Same thing different name. :rolleyes:

    Not really. EDC could be used to buy a lot of stuff like Mk X and Mk XI equipment including the Borg set and Liberated Borg Duty Officers while BNP is limited to Mk XII equipment.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I honestly only gathered about 20 nbp in all the time i played, only enough to buy the maco shield XII, the engines and i think the deflector (cant even remember, i dont even use em right now... lol).

    The thing, is not that high the difference between a mk XI version and the mk XII, not enough to waste time doing some non brained STFs. Voth implants and isomorfic injectors can be adquired without the need to be dependent of a queued mission, just playing in a group in a normal game-play, and even if still prefer by far doing STFs instead the stupid vicious cycle of the undine (god, cryptic really messed up with this), BNPs should be adquired in a way similiar to the dyson and undine reps. More , lets say comfortable.

    I never needed mkXII items of the omega reputation, in fact i think bnps are useful only if you want to get the maco custome unlock, you will do just fine with MkXI items (and you will have more than enough).

    And since right now, doing the reputations is far easier than before, i think cryptic should make the jump to the borg reputation and make a borg battlezone or something like that, instead so many stupid and annoying stfs. And adquire bnps in a battlezone way, like's undine or voth.
    We have something similar. They're called Red Alerts. Oh and there's that backwater planet on the edge of Breen space.... what was it called again? :P
    starkaos wrote: »
    Not really. EDC could be used to buy a lot of stuff like Mk X and Mk XI equipment including the Borg set and Liberated Borg Duty Officers while BNP is limited to Mk XII equipment.
    EDC were almost like marks really. Anyways, the 5 EDC thing was apparently a throwback to back when the borg set was obtained by playing a (really hard) story mission that was balanced for a team of 5.... AKA old school STFs.... from way back in the day.... before they got added to the PvE queue.
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No, we had Encrypted Data Chips before that as well as Borg Salvage and Borg Tech and speaking of Borg Tech ...




    Before only way to get a Task Force Omega Mk XII sets was getting Prototype Borg Tech that was RNG DROP ONLY and SPECIFIC, ISE only had the chance to drop Borg Shield Tech so if you wanted the ground set you had to do all the ground STFs for each part.

    You kids and your rep ... back in my days we RNG drops on STFs and Prototype Borg Tech wasnt assured, many of us had several Mk XI sets because we had Rare drops and not Prototype drops.

    Though the drop rates were questionable, I found the old system infintely better and more enjoyable than the rep system.

    You did not have to wait nearly a month or more before you could start trying to earn the sets.
    You actually were forced to play ALL the content if you wanted all the pieces, no just farm the easiest one out of 6 to get everything.
    You could easily get the Mk X or XI stuff which is really all you "need", but getting the full Mk XII set with its costume unlock actually really meant something and often required committment.

    Ah the good old days.
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    We have something similar. They're called Red Alerts. Oh and there's that backwater planet on the edge of Breen space.... what was it called again?

    True however unlike the Voth and Undine zones it does not give BNPs. They have removed the choice for people who do not like or want to do STFs as that is the only source of them, reliably. Personally I think they need to add them Defari invasion zone rewards, or even better remake the whole thing so that it is similar to the Voth zone.

    They could also add them to the first of the day reward box along with marks, atleast then it would give a reason why they are giving marks in boxes.

    I actively hose the MK XI items as they are more than adequate for me. Now I can not get them on other characters. I could have bought the MK XI two piece as I got 10 BNPs for completing t5, however they weren't the extra expense for what they gave.

    Oh and I got to T5 Omega rep from the Defari invasion zone easy and med missions and the red alerts only.
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,984 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Uh, no. Dyson Sphere equipment projects still take Voth Cybernetic Implants, and 8472 equipment projects require Isomorphic Injections. Both only have Mk XII gear, just like Omega- so what makes Omega such a special little snowflake that it should have its requirements reduced?

    I don't know about the isomorphic injections but Voth cybernetic implants don't require completing Elite ESTFs
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The RNG almost made me quit this game. I don't care for Rep grinds, but anyone who thinks appeasing an RNG is better needs to rethink some major parts of their lives.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Hmm.. I think the BNPs should stay, although perhaps you should be able to get one(1) for downing a Red Alert Unimatrix. (Red Alerts are still 'group' content and some of the Unimatrix ships rival the difficulty of most STFs.)

    However, I would like to see all the primary space sets standardized to 750 marks per item and for each of them to include a warp core.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    decronia wrote: »
    True however unlike the Voth and Undine zones it does not give BNPs. They have removed the choice for people who do not like or want to do STFs as that is the only source of them, reliably. Personally I think they need to add them Defari invasion zone rewards, or even better remake the whole thing so that it is similar to the Voth zone.

    They could also add them to the first of the day reward box along with marks, atleast then it would give a reason why they are giving marks in boxes.

    I actively hose the MK XI items as they are more than adequate for me. Now I can not get them on other characters. I could have bought the MK XI two piece as I got 10 BNPs for completing t5, however they weren't the extra expense for what they gave.

    Oh and I got to T5 Omega rep from the Defari invasion zone easy and med missions and the red alerts only.
    I've yet to see it happen, but I think that it's possible to get BNPs from Omega requisition boxes.... I know you can get VCI from the Voth Req boxes.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't know about the isomorphic injections but Voth cybernetic implants don't require completing Elite ESTFs

    Oh wow, I wonder how we could possibly resolve this issue...
    There's this place called Defera, see...add BNPs to that and bam, we're cooking with gas again.

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No, we had Encrypted Data Chips before that as well as Borg Salvage and Borg Tech and speaking of Borg Tech ...

    Before only way to get a Task Force Omega Mk XII sets was getting Prototype Borg Tech that was RNG DROP ONLY and SPECIFIC, ISE only had the chance to drop Borg Shield Tech so if you wanted the ground set you had to do all the ground STFs for each part.

    You kids and your rep ... back in my days we RNG drops on STFs and Prototype Borg Tech wasnt assured, many of us had several Mk XI sets because we had Rare drops and not Prototype drops.


    ^^ I remember all of this. :)

    I'd say, new system is better, really.
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I've yet to see it happen, but I think that it's possible to get BNPs from Omega requisition boxes.... I know you can get VCI from the Voth Req boxes.

    Well I can confirm that, though I have only received one and I am at tier3 now on my other character. The CBIs are more common in the boxes. However it is not really way to get them. They need to add other ways to get them to bring them inline with Voth and Undine, either that or return the MK XI sets.
  • dkshadow9498dkshadow9498 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    You kids and your rep ... back in my days we RNG drops on STFs and Prototype Borg Tech wasnt assured, many of us had several Mk XI sets because we had Rare drops and not Prototype drops.

    Back in your days doing STF's you mean? Cause I am sure I have been around as long, if not longer ;)

    But your point is valid. When we were out at Task Force Omega, all I did was grind exploration marks to gather all of my equipment, I never did the STF's THEN, and I never did them when they moved to DS9, and I still haven't done them... I dunno wasn't really my bag.

    The only thing that annoyed me, was when they went to the Rep system, they REMOVED ALL OF THE [BORG] stats from everything that you could get from the store. So there went MONTHS of grinding out full sets of ground equipment and space gear, when it became basically no better than any other Purple MKX gear.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Back in your days doing STF's you mean? Cause I am sure I have been around as long, if not longer ;)

    But your point is valid. When we were out at Task Force Omega, all I did was grind exploration marks to gather all of my equipment, I never did the STF's THEN, and I never did them when they moved to DS9, and I still haven't done them... I dunno wasn't really my bag.

    The only thing that annoyed me, was when they went to the Rep system, they REMOVED ALL OF THE [BORG] stats from everything that you could get from the store. So there went MONTHS of grinding out full sets of ground equipment and space gear, when it became basically no better than any other Purple MKX gear.
    Well... [Borg] was broken. It might as well have not been there most of the tiem. :(
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There's this place called Defera, see...add BNPs to that and bam, we're cooking with gas again.

    Eeeeyyyuuuugh. I say we nuke the planet from orbit and never speak of it again.
  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Eeeeyyyuuuugh. I say we nuke the planet from orbit and never speak of it again.

    why? its great for fleet mark grinding lol....and racking up borg ground kills. and maybe ec, I normally make 80k-90k ec every 30 mins doing nothing but letting my turrets and mortars fire away.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah, I hate the BNP and the Voth Cybernetic Implants. Just another pointless thing you have to have in your inventory. Rep Marks should be the only 'special' input you need for Rep projects.
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