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erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
I have been thinking about this every since I 1st replayed the Borg Advance story missions earlier this week.

So it's my fault that Cooper was able to infiltrate :eek:

How in the name of Kahless am I going to get into Sto'Vo'Kor now :confused:

Thanks for that! No Really..... Thanks! :P
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  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    errab wrote: »
    I have been thinking about this every since I 1st replayed the Borg Advance story missions earlier this week.

    So it's my fault that Cooper was able to infiltrate :eek:

    How in the name of Kahless am I going to get into Sto'Vo'Kor now :confused:

    Thanks for that! No Really..... Thanks! :P

    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?
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  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    8472 are powerfully psychic... but they can only sense thoughts, not vast plot holes. It's their only weakness.
  • theroyalfamilytheroyalfamily Member Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    The undine don't strike me as the type to say "Oops, muh bad." If anything, they're even more upset that we didn't invade - that proves we're weak and THE WEAK MUST PERISH. EXTERMINATE. EXTERMINATE.
  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    See, this is why I'm pretty sure there's more going on with the Undine than just them being fooled into attacking.

    Oh and also, could someone clarify this for me? Is Cooper supposed to have been replaced when his ship was attacked in fluidic space, or have we never actually seen the real Cooper?
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    I'm assuming that the rest of the Undine didn't believe any of them who reported back the truth? Or didn't care?

    Maybe Cooper was just a bigot and decided not to report the truth.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah saw that, thanks for passing the buck.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    8472 are powerfully psychic... but they can only sense thoughts, not vast plot holes. It's their only weakness.

    Heh. You win the thread :D
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  • exa12exa12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    he was civilian at that time working on the borg, why would he have clearance to starfleet deployments or anything classified about the undine? (excluding stuff that also relates to the borg)

    also do we know when he was switched? on Kessik IV when he is left alone or in Fluidic Space?


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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    exa12 wrote: »
    he was civilian at that time working on the borg, why would he have clearance to starfleet deployments or anything classified about the undine? (excluding stuff that also relates to the borg)

    also do we know when he was switched? on Kessik IV when he is left alone or in Fluidic Space?
    I would assume that Cooper was replaced during the Fluidic Space portion as he becomes more cowardly than he was previously on Kessik IV, he was pretty "brave", at least, if brave can be associated with the name Cooper.
  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    He has a sudden urgency to leave fluidic space. Which I assume is meant to be when he was replaced.
    Which means, he was present in the middle of the mission discovering the Iconian duplicates as well as attacking the Borg. You'd think he'd report this back to Undine higher ups.
  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    when you get down to it, it makes no sense the "why" the undine are attacking the alpha quadrant lol.

    i mean if they infiltrated everyone like that, you would think they would be aware from the very beginning that the Feds, KDF or romulans weren't really attacking them, and realize that something was off, but apparently no one among the undine is capable of critical thinking, though its not really their fault cryptic left a huge plot-hole, i guess :D
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Pfft! I hate to break this to you, but that's not the reason you aren't getting into Sto'Vo'Kor. We've been blaming you for all sorts of honor-less stuff for years. We've even been distributing holo-stories of you engaged in tribble TRIBBLE. Stupid Klingon spirits at Sto'Vo'Kor are so gullible they believe everything they see.

    You. Are. Doomed.

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    errab wrote: »
    I have been thinking about this every since I 1st replayed the Borg Advance story missions earlier this week.

    So it's my fault that Cooper was able to infiltrate :eek:

    How in the name of Kahless am I going to get into Sto'Vo'Kor now :confused:

    Thanks for that! No Really..... Thanks! :P
    No, it's MY fault. Didn't you play the episode? I was the one who did it. You weren't even there for crying out loud. See what's wrong when you try accepting an MMORPG "storyline" as a continuity?
  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?


    so was egg i think at this point they just don't care
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  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well maybe we will have a cardassian or/and Dominion threat now.. The dominion was awesome.. I miss DS9.
    or maybe the borg?

    Not to mention the treats of the kazon from VOY in the delta quadrant. Undine does tie to that quadrant.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    phoenicius wrote: »
    when you get down to it, it makes no sense the "why" the undine are attacking the alpha quadrant lol.

    i mean if they infiltrated everyone like that, you would think they would be aware from the very beginning that the Feds, KDF or romulans weren't really attacking them, and realize that something was off, but apparently no one among the undine is capable of critical thinking, though its not really their fault cryptic left a huge plot-hole, i guess :D
    Well... the question isn't what the Undine know, but what they are willing to do. They kinda hate everyone, so to them it doesn't matter who attacked them or why. It's time to go kill everyone! (including the Iconians)
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  • mbk2014mbk2014 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Maybe they do. Who says they have to care. They have been portrayed as believing they are the perfect being and from what we've seen so far, the only sentient being in fluidic space. The introduction of 'normal' space has trashed that balance and now they strive to make normal space like their own.

    We are perceived as impure, and weak and must therefore be eradicated from existence. No different to the borg believe they are the only capable of obtaining perfection and must do so at the complete decimation of the galaxy.

    A renewed dominion threat could be interesting, though they're not as united as they would need to be for that. Though I suspect the direction they are now taking is to a full face off with the Iconians after a bit more undine bashing I guess. Then there's if stopping the undine in the sphere will eliminate the voth stalemate, escalating that conflict again.

    Then there is the question of what is cryptics plan for Q bar some annual comic relief. Will the continuum be involved in some way in the Iconian plot. Hell will the preservers even be dragged into this, or will the Iconians dust off some ancient servitor race they keep in storage for "special occasions".
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    it was explained that the iconians or someone impersonating them built fake ships and sent them into the fluidic space in order to rile up 8472 knowing full well how 8472 would react. they dont seem to understand what they dont wish to know, even if it is the truth ad they can see as a lie.

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    phoenicius wrote: »
    when you get down to it, it makes no sense the "why" the undine are attacking the alpha quadrant lol.

    i mean if they infiltrated everyone like that, you would think they would be aware from the very beginning that the Feds, KDF or romulans weren't really attacking them, and realize that something was off, but apparently no one among the undine is capable of critical thinking, though its not really their fault cryptic left a huge plot-hole, i guess :D

    Yeah it is the Undine fault....In the Voyager episode where they copied Star Fleet academy, they refused to believe that the United Federation of Planets was peaceful, even though they had every single detail copied, they were still going to go ahead and wipe them out, the Undine don't really care about the truth, why would they start now.
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  • forthegamerforthegamer Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    E'genn was an Undine who had gone "soft". Meaning he was in position to have this happen long before the Undine probably wanted this war. So they knew well before it happened.

    Frankly, I don't think it really mattered them attack us was faked. I think to them, it just served as the ultimate "Undine, Undine, rah-rah-rah!" moment. Knowing the Undine (or rather the leaders), it was just a simple excuse to have things happen.

    Wouldn't be surprised if the Iconians that are helping the Romulan Star Empire aren't actually Iconians but Undine who are faking Iconian technology (but very good fakes). Which probably has pissed off the Iconians. And since we're using real Iconian tech, it probably has them even madder.
  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    redheadguy wrote: »
    And for that matter, Cooper would have had high enough clearance to find out that Starfleet was in fact NOT behind the attacks on the Undine to begin with. So why would the Undine still believe that Fed and KDF forces were the ones attacking them?

    Because the Weak will perish.
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