test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

obelisk core cant use?

valkarie14valkarie14 Member Posts: 762 Arc User
It says it cant be used on warbirds that mean every romulan ship including scimitar i cant use it on?
Post edited by valkarie14 on
«1

Comments

  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    valkarie14 wrote: »
    It says it cant be used on warbirds that mean every romulan ship including scimitar i cant use it on?

    Yes.

    The Obelisk warp core is a matter/antimatter piece of kit.

    All warbirds uses the singularity system instead.
  • adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Get a Fleet Sing. Core
    Looking for more info on Dilithium Rising? Click on the link below:

    [SIGPIC]Click here to visit my STO YouTube channel[/SIGPIC]
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Given the ship is only available from fleet or lobi store I think it is time they added a singularity core to that mission. They don't even need to get creative with it, just make it a straight copy.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I doubt they'd bother making a singularity core version of the Obelisk warp core. The ship was technically designed by a race that used warp drive and not a quantum singularity. The latter is exclusive to the Romulans.

    TSC_Signature_Gen_4_-_Vegeta_Small.png
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I understand that but Rommies who don't have the ship are missing out on the set and I think that is unfair myself. That's why I said just make a straight copy of the m/am core unless that takes too much work I would say it would be a fair thing to do.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    decronia wrote: »
    I understand that but Rommies who don't have the ship are missing out on the set and I think that is unfair myself. That's why I said just make a straight copy of the m/am core unless that takes too much work I would say it would be a fair thing to do.

    No.

    Romulans get a lot of advantages, superior op traits, etc.

    They are not hard done by.

    Want to fly an Obelisk? Do without your singularity powers. Job done.
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    No.

    Romulans get a lot of advantages, superior op traits, etc.

    They are not hard done by.

    Want to fly an Obelisk? Do without your singularity powers. Job done.

    Well it wouldn't work on the Obelisk as only warbirds can fit a singularity core. That is the situation I am thinking about.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah the obelisk core is specificly meant first and foremost to be used with the Obelisk carrier.
  • rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    No.

    Romulans get a lot of advantages, superior op traits, etc.

    They are not hard done by.

    Want to fly an Obelisk? Do without your singularity powers. Job done.

    I believe the OP is looking for a way to carry over the 2/3 AP damage bonus for an AP armed Warbird loaded with Superior Romulan Operative boffs.
    "Why all the sales"?

    And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
    -jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rgzarcher wrote: »
    I believe the OP is looking for a way to carry over the 2/3 AP damage bonus for an AP armed Warbird loaded with Superior Romulan Operative boffs.

    Indeed........but they can't....or indeed shouldn't be able to.
  • captainbrian11captainbrian11 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the OP might also just want a purple quality singularity core without having to join a fleet
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the OP might also just want a purple quality singularity core without having to join a fleet

    Dyson, Solanae, Counter-Command...
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I admit, I was on the OP's side to begin with, and I thought it was unfair that it didn't have a singularity variant (like they did with the anniversary Dyson Ship)

    But now that I have my Fleet cores? ... Meh ... I run Borg\/Dyson\/Jem-H\/Romulan sets on my various ships, so the Obelisk set is not needed.
    Oh, hoho hohhhhh, Oh,, hoho, hohhhhh
    My%20STO%20Sig%20Clear_zps5etu86s1.png
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rgzarcher wrote: »
    I believe the OP is looking for a way to carry over the 2/3 AP damage bonus for an AP armed Warbird loaded with Superior Romulan Operative boffs.

    Better served with a core with the [AMP] trait on it. Especially if you're an Engineer.
    XzRTofz.gif
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    What everyone here seems to want to ignore is;

    Set 2: Focused Anti Proton Emitters - +10% Antiproton Damage
    (From 360 Beam and Core)

    rinkster wrote: »
    Yes.

    The Obelisk warp core is a matter/antimatter piece of kit.

    All warbirds uses the singularity system instead.

    Well, D'uh - thanks Captain Obvious :rolleyes:
    rinkster wrote: »
    No.

    Romulans get a lot of advantages, superior op traits, etc.

    They are not hard done by.

    Want to fly an Obelisk? Do without your singularity powers. Job done.

    Oh, you want to go down this route... ok then.

    So, all parts of the set should be restricted to the Obelisk ship only then. After all, why should Feds (or KDF) get an unfair boost to AP damage Roms cannot get??

    And while we are throwing unfair restrictions out there, all Romulan and Remen sets from the Romulan rep system should be "Warbird" only while we are at it - after all, they were made for Romulan ships - want a plasma damage boost, fly a Warbird (great logic you have there rinkster)
  • valkarie14valkarie14 Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Looks like its the solonae set for me lol i think they should make a copy of the core
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    What everyone here seems to want to ignore is;

    Set 2: Focused Anti Proton Emitters - +10% Antiproton Damage
    (From 360 Beam and Core)




    Well, D'uh - thanks Captain Obvious :rolleyes:



    Oh, you want to go down this route... ok then.

    So, all parts of the set should be restricted to the Obelisk ship only then. After all, why should Feds (or KDF) get an unfair boost to AP damage Roms cannot get??

    And while we are throwing unfair restrictions out there, all Romulan and Remen sets from the Romulan rep system should be "Warbird" only while we are at it - after all, they were made for Romulan ships - want a plasma damage boost, fly a Warbird (great logic you have there rinkster)

    Actually the third part of that set is restricted to the Obelisk.

    And absolutely nothing is stopping Romulans from flying warp core ships.

    I have one Romulan in one now....


    You don't get to have the advantages of an M/AM core with singularity powers.
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Yeah the obelisk core is specificly meant first and foremost to be used with the Obelisk carrier.

    And secondary for those sci captains that want to push sci abilties just that bit further.
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    And while we are throwing unfair restrictions out there, all Romulan and Remen sets from the Romulan rep system should be "Warbird" only while we are at it - after all, they were made for Romulan ships - want a plasma damage boost, fly a Warbird (great logic you have there rinkster)

    Because you already get over the top crits, singularity powers, and battle cloack (with extra stealth from boffs). You cry because of a single set bonus unusable by Romulans when they are already OP?

    Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    What everyone here seems to want to ignore is;

    Set 2: Focused Anti Proton Emitters - +10% Antiproton Damage
    (From 360 Beam and Core)

    I used to use Obelisk 2 piece for the AP bonus.

    However, if you like Beam Overloads, the Omnidrectional AP thingie is a waste and a hindrance. When I try to fire off a BO with a Dual Beam or Beam Array, the Omni sometimes is the one that uses the charged up Beam Overload. The only way to ensure BO is used on the weapons I want is micromanaging weapons to an annoying degree.

    A significant, massive, MASSIVE waste of firepower.

    I dropped the Obelisk 2 pieces altogether. Put a regular AP weapon on as replacement and stuff on a Core with [AMP]. Very easy to get 2 subsystems to 75, and a bit of tweaking, typically 3. Good damage bonus considering [AMP] gives +3.3% ALL damage for each subsystem with 75 or higher. If you're Engineer, you should be swimming with ridiculous power levels, so all 4 should be 75 or more, giving +13.2% ALL dmg bonus.
    XzRTofz.gif
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    Actually the third part of that set is restricted to the Obelisk.

    And absolutely nothing is stopping Romulans from flying warp core ships.

    I have one Romulan in one now....


    You don't get to have the advantages of an M/AM core with singularity powers.

    This has nothing to do with if I want to fly a warp core ship or not (My Rom is in the Recluse).

    If I want to fly my Scim with Plasma, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts plasma damage.
    If I want to fly my Scim with Tetryon, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts tetryon damage.
    If I want to fly my Scim with Polaron, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts polaron damage.

    If I want to fly my Scim with AntiProton.... tough luck ???

    You would not be so full of yourself if all Romulan based tech was limited to Warbirds only (Plasma damage weapons / Hyper torp / Romulan and Remen sets - all locked out from warp core ships - bye bye JH ships with hyper torp).

    This is about set bonuses being fair and open to all - once you start to restrict who can use things, you are going to open up a whole world of hurt - plus, the reason Feds have a lot of stuff now, is restrictions were removed to let Feds have a lot of the old KDF only items - so you cannot throw these restrictions about unless you want to give up the stuff the Feds whinged for (Carriers, cloaks, Uni BO slots) - make them all KDF only like they were to start with.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with if I want to fly a warp core ship or not (My Rom is in the Recluse).

    If I want to fly my Scim with Plasma, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts plasma damage.
    If I want to fly my Scim with Tetryon, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts tetryon damage.
    If I want to fly my Scim with Polaron, there is a 2 piece set bonus that boosts polaron damage.

    If I want to fly my Scim with AntiProton.... tough luck ???

    You would not be so full of yourself if all Romulan based tech was limited to Warbirds only (Plasma damage weapons / Hyper torp / Romulan and Remen sets - all locked out from warp core ships - bye bye JH ships with hyper torp).

    This is about set bonuses being fair and open to all - once you start to restrict who can use things, you are going to open up a whole world of hurt - plus, the reason Feds have a lot of stuff now, is restrictions were removed to let Feds have a lot of the old KDF only items - so you cannot throw these restrictions about unless you want to give up the stuff the Feds whinged for (Carriers, cloaks, Uni BO slots) - make them all KDF only like they were to start with.

    What's the trick to getting "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" or "Enhanced Projectile Efficiency " on my Fed or KDF chars then?
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    What's the trick to getting "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" or "Enhanced Projectile Efficiency " on my Fed or KDF chars then?

    Set 2: Plasma Conductive Circuitry

    +7.6% Plasma Damage
    +15.2 Starship Electro-Plasma System

    Is what I was referring to, that Fed and KDF can use to boost plasma damage (energy) from this set.
  • rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    Set 2: Plasma Conductive Circuitry

    +7.6% Plasma Damage
    +15.2 Starship Electro-Plasma System

    Is what I was referring to, that Fed and KDF can use to boost plasma damage (energy) from this set.

    Romulans DO have the unfair advantage of stacking 3 Plasma buffs though. You have the Singularity harness, the Romulan/Reman set bonus, and if you fly one, the Ar'kif has its own 2/2 plasma damage set bonus.

    Its kind of OP, I should know as I spam the hell out of it lol
    "Why all the sales"?

    And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
    -jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    Set 2: Plasma Conductive Circuitry

    +7.6% Plasma Damage
    +15.2 Starship Electro-Plasma System

    Is what I was referring to, that Fed and KDF can use to boost plasma damage (energy) from this set.

    Yep, and "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" adds a second 2-piece, passive +% Plasma bonus on a Romulan ship, which other factions don't have access to, while "Enhanced Projectile Efficiency" adds a +10% 2-piece Projectile bonus that's exclusive to a Romulan ship.
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yep, and "Enhanced Plasma Infusion" adds a second 2-piece, passive +% Plasma bonus on a Romulan ship, which other factions don't have access to, while "Enhanced Projectile Efficiency" adds a +10% 2-piece Projectile bonus that's exclusive to a Romulan ship.

    As you seem to want to harp on - those bonuses come from C-Store purchases.

    We are not talking about what you can buy from the C-Store, we are talking about basic, free to earn via missions or Rep, energy damage boosts.

    If you want to whinge about a bonus that requires a purchase from the C-Store - go make a thread on it, but to use them to back up an argument to prevent Romulans getting the 10% AP boost for free, like Fed and KDF can do, is pathetic and off topic imo.
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    A lot of comparing very unlike things going on.

    The AP set is a superior 'turret' like weapon and a very weak core with a nice damage bonus on the set. It is basically catch-up gear; if you can get some AP weapons (crafted being a possible solution) you can have a quick startup 8-10k dps build with an undergeared/undeveloped character.

    In every thread discussing the topic, including this one, the advice is to get away from the core (and sometimes the beam as well) asap in favor of an epic fleet core. The majority of top geared players do not use this set nor recommend it as a long term build.

    It is a stepping stone build capable of elite stf capable dps on the cheap. Or gear for casual players who do not put in the billions of hours for the grinds.

    This is in no way something that is sensible to compare to a full bore rom plasma build which involves cstore purchases and reputation grinds and more --- those are endgame builds.

    Be honest ---- if you could slot this item as a top geared player, would you give up your amp core for it? Or your rom plasma build?

    It should be available IMHO as all factions, even the supposedly OP romulans, can use an easy to get kick-starter set that allows decent contribution to stf runs. It probably should not be available because it does not make any logical sense, but it would be practical to allow it.
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rgzarcher wrote: »
    Romulans DO have the unfair advantage of stacking 3 Plasma buffs though. l

    See above answer -

    Not everyone can or will use the C-Store, just because you did should not be an excuse to stop others using AP with a 10% boost.
  • rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    A lot of comparing very unlike things going on.

    The AP set is a superior 'turret' like weapon and a very weak core with a nice damage bonus on the set. It is basically catch-up gear; if you can get some AP weapons (crafted being a possible solution) you can have a quick startup 8-10k dps build with an undergeared/undeveloped character.

    In every thread discussing the topic, including this one, the advice is to get away from the core (and sometimes the beam as well) asap in favor of an epic fleet core. The majority of top geared players do not use this set nor recommend it as a long term build.

    It is a stepping stone build capable of elite stf capable dps on the cheap. Or gear for casual players who do not put in the billions of hours for the grinds.

    This is in no way something that is sensible to compare to a full bore rom plasma build which involves cstore purchases and reputation grinds and more --- those are endgame builds.

    Be honest ---- if you could slot this item as a top geared player, would you give up your amp core for it? Or your rom plasma build?

    It should be available IMHO as all factions, even the supposedly OP romulans, can use an easy to get kick-starter set that allows decent contribution to stf runs. It probably should not be available because it does not make any logical sense, but it would be practical to allow it.

    I think the reason they hold it back might be due to Romulans having access to extremely dangerous combinations for Critical damage, and AntiProton having extreme damage potential when it comes to Criticals.

    If Romulans get the 2/3 set bonus here, they would have access to the highest DPS in the game with Fed and KDF having no way of matching it. This is basic and very simple math we are talking about. A flat 10% damage bonus stacked with +10% CritH and +25%CritD is kind of...well, ungodly when you think about it.

    I know a few people that actually do this, shoving the Obelisk Rift Core into a Tal Shiar Adapted Cruiser or Destroyer armed to the teeth with Advanced Fleet AP beams, some throw the Temporal Warfair Dual Chronaton Beams with it as well. Thow in the Bioneural Infusion Circuits from the Silent Enemy set and you get an additional +15.2% CritD.
    "Why all the sales"?

    And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
    -jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rgzarcher wrote: »
    I think the reason they hold it back might be due to Romulans having access to extremely dangerous combinations for Critical damage, and AntiProton having extreme damage potential when it comes to Criticals.

    If Romulans get the 2/3 set bonus here, they would have access to the highest DPS in the game with Fed and KDF having no way of matching it. This is basic and very simple math we are talking about. A flat 10% damage bonus stacked with +10% CritH and +25%CritD is kind of...well, ungodly when you think about it.

    I know a few people that actually do this, shoving the Obelisk Rift Core into a Tal Shiar Adapted Cruiser or Destroyer armed to the teeth with Advanced Fleet AP beams, some throw the Temporal Warfair Dual Chronaton Beams with it as well. Thow in the Bioneural Infusion Circuits from the Silent Enemy set and you get an additional +15.2% CritD.

    But romulans can get amped with AP to get 12%. Or they can buy a lockbox ship and still have SRO and ap set blah blah.

    I don't think it *would* be higher dps than other available setups. And it is, at the end of the day, a meh core.
  • rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    But romulans can get amped with AP to get 12%. Or they can buy a lockbox ship and still have SRO and ap set blah blah.

    I don't think it *would* be higher dps than other available setups. And it is, at the end of the day, a meh core.

    You don't *need* to buy a LockBox ship, you can use any matter/Antimatter WC ship and do this. The reason my friends use the Tal Shiar ships is they both have the passive Sensor scan bonus from Sci ships, only with a lot more hull and sharper teeth.

    10% bonus doesn't sound like much, but all AP have passive +20 CritD, with the Dual Chroniton having a passive +40% CritD. Beam Overload III with that thing can and will oneshot kill anyone in PvP if it rolls the right Critical on a good build.

    Because the Romulan player has their own passive bonuses, Operative being one of them, it does add up to a higher DPS than Fed or KDF can match, since none of them have a passive trait that adds CritD. Any Rep trait that adds to this that they could use likewise is open to Romulan captains who also have Operative.

    This game is very much a numbers game when you boil it down to its core mechanics, and people will pay a lot of money to get something as small as a 5% CritH bonus.
    "Why all the sales"?

    And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
    -jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Sign In or Register to comment.