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kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
Am I the only one noticing how absolutely every story he's in, especially including the latest episode, is Shon-centric? He steals the show and is really starting to annoy me!

He was an STO invention, right and not cannon? So, are the powers that be favouring him?

Shon has the best lines, in the new episode, what he was doing we should have been able to, (i.e. saving the day heroically) and I was honestly routing for him not to make it in the end!

Loose him and give the Enterprise to cannon character, please.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    He's captain of the enterprise... its his job to get all the best lines and save the day, its literally in the Job description for the Captain of the Enterprise.

    and no, there arent that many Canon characters in the game, most are admirals, i think it's nice that they gave it to a non-human founding species for once.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Cannon characters are too old to be captain of the enterprise (31years since the end of Voyager, 39 since TNG).
    Just like Kirk was not the captain of TNG's Enterprise, it's not Picard or Riker for STO.
    Get used to it. Shon is fine. Sure he is not perfect, but no sto character is. Most of them are "overplayed" anyway (Hakeev, Cooper...).

    As for the Enterprise saving the day, it makes sense. I don't mind, as long as I can save every other day.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    tenkari wrote: »
    He's captain of the enterprise... its his job to get all the best lines and save the day, its literally in the Job description for the Captain of the Enterprise.

    and no, there arent that many Canon characters in the game, most are admirals, i think it's nice that they gave it to a non-human founding species for once.

    Same as Koran is Canon and the romulan captain...
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    As for the Enterprise saving the day, it makes sense. I don't mind, as long as I can save every other day.

    Well said!
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    Am I the only one noticing how absolutely every story he's in, especially including the latest episode, is Shon-centric? He steals the show and is really starting to annoy me!

    He was an STO invention, right and not cannon? So, are the powers that be favouring him?

    Shon has the best lines, in the new episode, what he was doing we should have been able to, (i.e. saving the day heroically) and I was honestly routing for him not to make it in the end!

    Loose him and give the Enterprise to cannon character, please.

    what the previous poster ahead of me said. He's the captain of the enterprise. Last in a long line of distinguished captains to command that proud ship. Ofcourse he gets the spotlight. It's like asking Kirk to step aside form some unknown to be the hero.

    Not happening. Hey while Shon did his bid and got some spotlight, how many times are you hailed by Admiral Quinn and J'mpok as being the hero of the quadrant that saved Qo'nos and ESD and Earth? That without you Shon couldn't of pulled off what he did?

    Your toon got as much spotlight time if not more than he did.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't mind it. It's not like we had an insignificant role. Without our captain, everything would have failed. The Enterprise did what the Enterprise has always done. And that's just fine by me.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    He was an STO invention, right and not cannon? So, are the powers that be favouring him?

    1- It's canon, not cannon.
    2- He IS an STO invention, which means he SHOULD be featured in STO storylines.
    3- He's the captain of the Enterprise. Which means he's the one in charge of the Flagship of Starfleet. He's going to show up. Especially during important things, like these stories.
    what he was doing we should have been able to, (i.e. saving the day heroically) and I was honestly routing for him not to make it in the end!

    Replay the mission. Take special note of what you end up doing. YOU DO save the day heroically.
    Loose him and give the Enterprise to cannon character, please.

    Wait, what? Like who? Please don't start this legacy nonsense again. Archer's descendants didn't captain the Enterprise. Nor did April's, Pike's, Kirk's, Harriman's, Garrett's or Picard's. Star Trek has a new captain with a new story and a new legacy for each iteration of the Enterprise. The most legacy you get is Decker was related to a captain of a different Constitution class vessel (maybe), Sulu's kid flew the B, and Data captained the E for a bit.
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  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I thought he died on that table in Sphere of Influence .:confused:
    He maybe a undine infiltrator better then Egg :D
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Same as Koran is Canon and the romulan captain...

    yes, but biggest problem with the enterprise captain is... if they TRIED to find a canon character for it, it'd be hard as

    1. there werent that many characters who would likely QUALIFY in the first place, you cant for example just stick Harry Kim or Naomi Wildman in the captains chair and just say "that's that, here's your canon char"

    2. would have to get the actor to voice all their stuff.... costs a pretty penny for some of these actors. since Koran and Ms. Rommy were little kids on the show, they didnt NEED to get their Actors to do the voices.

    3. CBS was just fine with Shon being the captain. in fact, I'd say CBS had the biggest say in the matter, being the Enterprise is y'know kinda their bread and butter, they likely went with a captain one might not see on TV... IE a non-human captain of the enterprise.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    rakija879 wrote: »
    I thought he died on that table in Sphere of Influence .:confused:
    He maybe a undine infiltrator better then Egg :D

    Umm your character revives him, its the romulan who dies on the bed.
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  • captainpirkocaptainpirko Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    i get OP's point though, even though i'm fine with shon being captain, i think it'd be great if there was a mission where we get to drop out of warp above the enterprise and save it's fat rear. drop a quick one liner, then charge into the enemy fleet while the enterprise limps after you like "heyyyyy wait upppp D:"
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The episode was hardly "Shon-centric."

    Having named, recurring NPC characters like Shon allows the episodes to have a little more emotional oomph than older content. It makes sense for the flagship captains to be present at many big events, and it gives us someone we know to interact with in a way that we never got from simply accepting orders from Admiral Quinn all the time.

    The inclusion of Shon (or Tuvok, or Worf, or whoever) gives the devs the freedom to add some emotional content without forcing our characters to do things that they wouldn't necessarily do, whether that's making a suicide run for the planet killer, acting as a hothead diplomat, or picking a fight with the Klingon flagship.

    Besides, more often than not, Shon and the Enterprise are backing us up, not the other way around.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    i get OP's point though, even though i'm fine with shon being captain, i think it'd be great if there was a mission where we get to drop out of warp above the enterprise and save it's fat rear. drop a quick one liner, then charge into the enemy fleet while the enterprise limps after you like "heyyyyy wait upppp D:"

    you mean like the opposite of the Tau Dewa patrols? Lol.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kayajay wrote: »
    Am I the only one noticing how absolutely every story he's in, especially including the latest episode, is Shon-centric? He steals the show and is really starting to annoy me!

    He was an STO invention, right and not cannon? So, are the powers that be favouring him?

    Shon has the best lines, in the new episode, what he was doing we should have been able to, (i.e. saving the day heroically) and I was honestly routing for him not to make it in the end!

    Loose him and give the Enterprise to cannon character, please.
    He's an STO invention, yes. But that makes him STO canon.

    So the Ent-F IS captained by a canon character. =D
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    i get OP's point though, even though i'm fine with shon being captain, i think it'd be great if there was a mission where we get to drop out of warp above the enterprise and save it's fat rear. drop a quick one liner, then charge into the enemy fleet while the enterprise limps after you like "heyyyyy wait upppp D:"

    You are the one who saves the day in this mission. You are the one who saves ESD while Shon is over at the moon. You are the one who makes it to the klingon homeworld first. You are the one who fights off ooooooodles of Undine until Shon arrives with a meek "sorry I'm late." You are the one who clears the path for Shon to crash the Aquarius.

    You steal the show this time.
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm not sure how that makes sense

    Sphere of Influence was Worf-centered, and Shon was 'brutally' experimented on.

    A Step Between Stars was Tuvok-centered, and Shon only showed up near the end, saying the required lines (the J Dyson Sphere was in their space, and still currently under their control, pre-conference)

    Except for the missions where he'd normally be centered around, such as testing the Undine weaponry on the flagships, his roles have been considerably smaller than our own, in general. To compensate (as many competent characters do), they do everything they can in such a short time - which is not that bad imo

    [Have not played Surface Tension yet due to crashes, but I do not mind]

    And as already been said, any canon characters sans (the currently missing) Data would be very, very old in 2409, and thus unable to command. And it's refreshing for the Enterprise-F to have to the most diverse flagship crew to date
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    trek21 wrote: »
    And as already been said, any canon characters sans (the currently missing) Data would be very, very old in 2409, and thus unable to command. And it's refreshing for the Enterprise-F to have to the most diverse flagship crew to date

    so long as they dont toss any Tellerites on the bridge, im sure everyone will be happy.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    The episode was hardly "Shon-centric."

    Having named, recurring NPC characters like Shon allows the episodes to have a little more emotional oomph than older content. It makes sense for the flagship captains to be present at many big events, and it gives us someone we know to interact with in a way that we never got from simply accepting orders from Admiral Quinn all the time.

    The inclusion of Shon (or Tuvok, or Worf, or whoever) gives the devs the freedom to add some emotional content without forcing our characters to do things that they wouldn't necessarily do, whether that's making a suicide run for the planet killer, acting as a hothead diplomat, or picking a fight with the Klingon flagship.

    Besides, more often than not, Shon and the Enterprise are backing us up, not the other way around.

    Exactly on the last part. 4400 with the enterprise, he comes to server as our back up. Same in sphere and a step between stars if you see the enterprise show up.

    Again in this mission enterprise is there to support us. Infact to get to the dooms day device you have to basically lead the charge and kill anything infront of shon.

    Plus YOU are the one who barrels through the fleet infront of ESD, saves Admiral Quinn, is one of 2 ships along with Voyager to fight the klingons for a LONG while before Enterprise shows up.

    Basically at every turn it's you the player who's holding the line. It's just shon wo takes the death ride and gets saved by Voyager.

    Seriously want to list achiements in this mission, you the player outshine EVERYBODY. Without the player, whole damn thing falls apart.
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Honestly, I'm glad Shon gets a lot of action. For me, Shon's whats's call an Idiot Hero. He's the guy who charges in all hot-blooded and without thinking half of the time. Sure, maybe that's because none of us know the score until it's halfway too late, but still... He's also quite an enjoyable character.

    Someone like Koren, on the other hand, is insufferable and annoying. I've felt like I've been seconds away from swapping out BOFFS and seeing if I can Tractor Beam Repulsor the Bortasqu' into a group of Undine so she can shut up
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Ironically Koren IS a legacy character. She's Grilka's daughter, who IIRC, ended up married to Worf in the Timeline.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Honestly, I'm glad Shon gets a lot of action. For me, Shon's whats's call an Idiot Hero. He's the guy who charges in all hot-blooded and without thinking half of the time. Sure, maybe that's because none of us know the score until it's halfway too late, but still... He's also quite an enjoyable character.

    Someone like Koren, on the other hand, is insufferable and annoying. I've felt like I've been seconds away from swapping out BOFFS and seeing if I can Tractor Beam Repulsor the Bortasqu' into a group of Undine so she can shut up

    that last part made me lol. Nice one. Just like Kurland every 10 seconds.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The majority of the TV canon characters are too old to be Enterprise's captain with the exception of Data or abut he has resigned from Starfleet, or a couple of the longer lived aliens like Tuvok but he is an admiral.

    And yeah Captain Koren needs to shut the hell up as Worf once said "actions speak louder than words"
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,060 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lot's of Shon yes and he doesn't quite remind me of someone who would be captaining an Enterprise (he seems like a by-the-book corporate 'yes' man). Also the Enterprise as a whole has been pretty impotent so far. They couldn't even beam their own captain to the bridge of his ship when his life was in danger. :rolleyes:
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    For this particular episode, it was important for HIM to get the spotlight as it helped solidify the ceasefire between the Feds and the KDF. If the situation was reversed, with Earth being in danger rather than Qo'noS, Koren might have had the spotlight instead. :P
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    edited April 2014
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  • darthstormstrikedarthstormstrike Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No problem with Shon doing the killing blow. I just thought the first time through it, "Okay, we have Voyager and now the Enterprise. So where in the hell is the Defiant?" It would have been extra nice to get all three icon named ships as part of something that big.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm okay with Shon. One, his willingness to interrupt Sugihara and say 'yeah, we screwed up,' grew his stature immensely for me, reminded me of Picard's apology/pleading to Q in the end of 'Q Who.' Good move for him.

    As for the Trench Run at the end, hey I(we all) saved the day as much as he did. Think of it like the Enterprise swooping in to save the crippled Defiant in 'First Contact.'

    "Extend our shields around Shon! Reserve power to the engines! All batteries fire at will, we are going in!"

    And I just assume it was my transporter chief that saved him, not Voyager, since we were in a better position to do so. Would have made a better cutscene anyways.

    Like someone else said though, Koren needs to lighten up some. Even Kruge or Chang were able to enjoy life in their own very-Klingon ways, but Koren is just cranky all the time. Of the flagship captain trio, she definitely has the least to her thus far.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Umm your character revives him, its the romulan who dies on the bed.
    What they are proposing is perhaps Shon died too, you "revived" his Undine replacement. If I were the Undine, I'd jump at the chance to replace the captain of the Fed's flagship. Or the Klingon's for that matter. Maybe they are BOTH Undine, and are helping to push both groups into something even bigger and more sinister...

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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lot's of Shon yes and he doesn't quite remind me of someone who would be captaining an Enterprise (he seems like a by-the-book corporate 'yes' man). Also the Enterprise as a whole has been pretty impotent so far. They couldn't even beam their own captain to the bridge of his ship when his life was in danger. :rolleyes:
    The Enterprise-F (in addition to the other flagships) are considerably more powerful than player versions, which should tell us something

    Plus Shon has added to events, such as the FE Battle for DS9, distress calls in Tau Dewa, the combined Obelisk driving in Sphere of Influence, helping drive back the Undine in A Step Between Stars (in Fed/Fed-aligned versions, Koren does so in the others - both alongside Jarok), and he did try to destroy the Iconian gateway at the first opportunity (smartest just-in-case I've seen in-game, even if it didn't work)

    He definitely is right in that they're dangerous, which mirrored Worf's opinion on the matter
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  • remianenremianen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    lan451 wrote: »
    I don't mind it. It's not like we had an insignificant role. Without our captain, everything would have failed. The Enterprise did what the Enterprise has always done. And that's just fine by me.

    The funny thing is, the Enterprise in STO is a figurehead. In most missions, when the Enterprise shows up "to save the day", the outcome was never in question. So they send the flagship for mop up duty, not the actual heavy lifting. It's like bringing in the closer for the 9th inning with a 16 run lead.

    I don't much care about Shon commanding the Enterprise since, with me (the player character) around, it's no longer the best ship in the fleet and he's certainly not the most accomplished Starfleet officer. I let him have his moment in the sun from time to time, just so he (and his crew) feel useful. But when the rubber hits the road and the Federation needs someone to nut up or shut up (figuratively speaking), well, I don't shut up very often.

    I agree with captainpirko though I'd hope it would be better circumstances than the aforementioned dropping in on a battle that's just about won already.

    jeffel82, I can see Worf or Tuvok being used for emotional effect but Shon? REALLY? People are supposed to have an emotional connection to him simply due to the ship he commands? He has no established personality (unlike Tuvok and Worf) and little in the way of background/history "experienced" by the player (again, unlike Tuvok and Worf). I can see and agree with your point overall but Shon isn't anywhere near the level of emotional investment as existing canon characters. I'd put Miral Paris and Naomi Wildman and Yoshi O'Brien ahead of Shon since at least there's a history there, even if it is mostly due to their parents.

    I'm just glad the Romulans don't pull this stuff with the Lleiset.
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