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n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 450 Arc User
I've never understood this hate.

At most it always seems like free to play "players" are the ones whining. They are op? are they?
I've been using my Fleet refit Ambassador class forever and often come in first on things like crystaline entity and such. I have never seen them as OP.


I don't understand hate on them for being "improper" to the universe.


Though one thing I wish Cryptic or PWE did with them is this..


Recently been spending a lot of time in DCUO. DC Universe online.

They have lockboxes too. You need to buy keys to open them too.

However, if you are subbed to the game. You can open them for free. Now this works because the entire journey from 1 to max level you might get...maybe 10 to 18 boxes total. They dont drop like candy like they do in STO.


but it would be nice if STO scaled back how many dropped. and did something similiar.

But anyways. i dont and will never understand why so many have to complain about lockboxes. They don't hurt the game.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    People want access to new shinies without playing the lottery. An almost impossible task is much easier to swallow then rolling the dice.
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  • starjumpersixstarjumpersix Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    That and some people flip tables at seeing ships like the Tholian Recluse in player hands.
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  • n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Last month, I was going to drop 100 bucks on lockbox keys. Spend 20 bucks on keys(figured id be smart and do it small) on my third box I got a hirogen ship. I dont see the issue with spending money to win. PLUS so many keys in the AH and making 1.5 million is not hard to buy a key or two.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But they ruin MY IMMERSION! I hereby dictate that everyone should be flying their faction appropriate ships! If not I will pursue each and every one of you canon offenders until you are flying the right ship and using the right weapons! YOU WILL NOT RUIN MY GAME!!!

    ...

    :P
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    For me, it's more about them having broke the lore. Federation Officers should be commanding Federation Ships, Klingon Officers should be commanding Klingon Ships, and Romulan Officers should be commanding Romulan Ships.

    The Tholian vessels, and more recently (soon) the Undine vessels should never have been playable. Those two are owned by two species that aren't humanoid. I refuse to believe their ships could be retrofitted so extensively and then mass produced/acquired.

    The other alien ships could have been handled differently, and they could have worked. If (from the get-go) Cryptic had released C-Store tokens for Cardassian, Vorta and Jem Hadar Characters and Bridge Officers (for any faction) then there wouldn't be this problem I don't think. It's less unbelievable to me to think that a Ship and crew of another faction wouldn't join the Federation/Empire.

    It's more the way the lock box ships have been implemented than anything else, with the exception of the Tholian and Undine. That was just a bad call. The only Lock Box that truly works (in sense of lore) is the Tal Shiar one.
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  • mikearoomikearoo Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The only thing I don't like about them is the sheer numbers of them that drop, they could halve the drop rate and still have a flooded market.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    People want access to new shinies without playing the lottery. An almost impossible task is much easier to swallow then rolling the dice.

    This.
    And I'm saying that as a not free player.

    The new one has the addition of absolutely lunatic content... Bio ships....
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  • n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But you can make ALIEN characters in game. Its not hard to Roleplay *Assuming you do* that you arent part of these organizations. Hell, if I could make a breen I would justify flying my breen ship. :3

    But for the most part I do fly ships that match my faction. The exception being my Orion, she flies a Nausicaan ship. Pirate and all that.
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  • chk231chk231 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lockboxes are a form of gambling, some people don't like the idea of gambling. Some people can spend hundreds of dollars, and still not get the ship they want, so probably one of the reasons why they don't like it.
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well it is also the idea that instead of improving the game so more people will subscribe and pay money, they will just produce op ships that people have top gamble for.
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  • n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    they aren't that OP. Unless you know how to equip and capitalize on them.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some players have flashback of Chuck E cheese's and trying to get that Radio controlled helicopter, and Lockboxes bring back those memories.
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Last month, I was going to drop 100 bucks on lockbox keys. Spend 20 bucks on keys(figured id be smart and do it small) on my third box I got a hirogen ship. I dont see the issue with spending money to win. PLUS so many keys in the AH and making 1.5 million is not hard to buy a key or two.

    Because that only happens to a really lucky people like you. Most of the people can open 100 boxes and still get nothing. I include myself in there. Since i started playing, i must opened about 500+ lockboxes, and i never got any important prizes. Only mirror universe ships.

    Fortunately i never wasted real money in it. I will be stupid and crazy to do that.

    I always buy 1 key every day, and i open a box every day, but thats it. But i am not searching for ships anymore, im looking for minning claims, rare weapons or watever. But ships?? lol, with my luck i will never get one of those..

    And only reasonable people hates lockboxes. Because it is the classic strategy to gain money at all costs. But people who doesnt care about the health of the game will never care about lockboxes. ITs a fact.

    Now, reasonable and smart people will always hate lockboxes. Its common sense. Because it is one of the most direct strategies to "steal" money from the players.

    Now , this will not have importance if cryptic will do everything they can to keep the game stable, free of bugs , fails and considering the ideas of the customers.

    But since cryptic is not doing anything of that, lockboxes are a really hated stuff of the game. Not only cryptic is doing nothing to keep the game interesting, but they keep trying to master the art of making people to waste real money on the game.
  • dkratascodkratasco Member Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hypl wrote: »
    But they ruin MY IMMERSION! I hereby dictate that everyone should be flying their faction appropriate ships! If not I will pursue each and every one of you canon offenders until you are flying the right ship and using the right weapons! YOU WILL NOT RUIN MY GAME!!!

    ...

    :P

    Sorry but what two words are there before "Online" in STO?

    STAR TREK

    So if they choose to make game in ST Universe than they should keep it proper to this Universe.
  • starjumpersixstarjumpersix Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Some players have flashback of Chuck E cheese's and trying to get that Radio controlled helicopter, and Lockboxes bring back those memories.

    OH TRIBBLE YOU DUDE! I'd almost forgotten about that bit too. T_T
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  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    they aren't that OP. Unless you know how to equip and capitalize on them.



    That's adorable.
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dkratasco wrote: »
    Sorry but what two words are there before "Online" in STO?

    STAR TREK

    So if they choose to make game in ST Universe than they should keep it proper to this Universe.
    You must have missed that the hypl's response was tongue-in-cheek, or sarcastic...
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    There seems to be a general misconception about why some of us have a hate towards Lock-boxes...

    I don't care about it's content... I really don't.

    What I don't like, is the Lottery with "Prizes" (Cryptics words, not mine), where they don't make the odds public.

    They are preying on stupid people, and the worst thing is: Dispite several warnings, same people don't realize it.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • n0vastaronen0vastarone Member Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    That's adorable.

    they really aren't. Unless you min max every stat and peice of gear. most people who use them stupidly equip them and come out weak and squishy with flashy abilities.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But you can make ALIEN characters in game. Its not hard to Roleplay *Assuming you do* that you arent part of these organizations. Hell, if I could make a breen I would justify flying my breen ship. :3

    But for the most part I do fly ships that match my faction. The exception being my Orion, she flies a Nausicaan ship. Pirate and all that.

    I role pay in a similar fashion with most if characters using things like the d'kyr and Kumari.
    With the exception if the new one it doesn't bother me that those ships are around, quiet the opposite. They create the illusion if this being a richer universe.
    What I do not like is the lockbox principle. Gambling.

    And for the new ship: it's unbelievable stupid to believe any humanoid species can utilize an undine bio ship. Alien or not. The only aliens able to use them are undine.
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,577 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I like the DCUO model as well and that's why I subscribe. With their version of the lock box, you constantly have a reason to stay subbed on top of them adding content that is story based regularly. Out of the many times I looked at subbing here, I never saw any worth while reason in it. I'd also like to see the ability to turn off lock boxes from dropping if not interested in them. At the very least, cut the drop rate to a quarter of what they are now.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lock boxes, grinding people hate it because they just want to buy it but what they forget they should be unique like the fleet ships, only there harder to get some have lucky and score with there third box and some aint and completely spend 200 or 300 bucks on the subject ....

    While if you keep selling keys and other use full stuff you can buy them from the exchange simple as that....
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't hate the lock boxes, I just am never interested in the ships (Except the Undine Mirror Nova). I bought my vesta 3 pack and I'm happy with that. I might try for the mirror nova for kicks though.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Lock boxes, grinding people hate it because they just want to buy it but what they forget they should be unique like the fleet ships, only there harder to get some have lucky and score with there third box and some aint and completely spend 200 or 300 bucks on the subject ....

    While if you keep selling keys and other use full stuff you can buy them from the exchange simple as that....

    I'm not opposed to them beeing rare, too.
    In fact, I'd like to see ships like those to be rare, but they should be available by ingame means not over anything zen related.
    I never understood, for example, why they gave out the Dyson carrier for free. It would have been much better as a very very expensive rep project.
    In fact I think every rep should have such a ship project.

    And then there are countless other possibilities to have those ships and keep em rare that do not involve gambling.

    But as soon as it involves the c store things should have a fixed price tag, not a "chance of winning".
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I think the lockbox hate is understandeable.

    1) Instead of having a clear price tag attached to an object, it's purely random.
    2) If there finally is a price tag (Energy Credits on the Exchange), it's usually excessive.
    3) Many lockbox items enable distinctly different gameplay, and may even be more powerful than existing items.
    4) Often the lockbox contains items that people think should not even be in the hand of players - it is extremely weird that so many Captains (e.g. more than one on a special mission) fly Jem'Hadar attack fighter or now possibly an Undine bioship.


    I dislike them strongly, too. But the only thing that really worries me is if they put ships inside that are overpowered. MAybe you argue that having 2 Lt.Cmdr slots is no big deal, but I think it's a power-up to most existing ships (and the only existing ship with such a BO layout has other short-comings, like abysmal turn rate and few weapon slots).


    Lockbox exist because what they contain is still desirable too enough players that people gamble their Zen on it (or spend Zen on items they can sell for EC, so they can buy the item on the Exchange, or grind EC otherwise) and Cryptic makes more money out of it then if they would just sell them directly for a "fair" price.

    And for that, I think we cannot just abolish lockboxes - without them, the game may no longer exist, or if it existed it would have a lot less content. No reputations, no Dyson Sphere, no Romulan faction. Or we'd pay for that content directly.
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  • adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    For me, it's more about them having broke the lore. Federation Officers should be commanding Federation Ships, Klingon Officers should be commanding Klingon Ships, and Romulan Officers should be commanding Romulan Ships.

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  • rock3tmanrock3tman Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I hate lockboxes...
    I never did get my Temporal Science Vessel.....did u guys know that?
    It haunts me everyday, when someone passes me in a Wells. I lay crying in my bed at night wishing they'd die.

    I do hope that one day I will get a Wells, maybe before they servers shutdown... :(
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I have nothing against Lockboxes or their content.

    IMO a player should play the way they see fit to play and if they chose to fly non-faction vessels that is their choice and their right to do so.

    Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go polish my Jem'hadar Drednought Carrier, Attack Ship, Bastion Cruiser, Adapted Battle Cruiser, Adapted Escort, Advanced Obelisk Carrier, Voth Science ship (Forgot its name) and Recluse :D
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