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senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
All public PvP queues are now “All vs. All”, allowing mixed factions of players on each team.

Hands down the very worst aspect of Season 9.

Whats even the point now of factional balance if its all going to be a random nonsensicle mishmash?
Whatever happened to escalating the war, and expanding PvP into a territory control metagame?

I wan't to FIGHT and destroy feds, Not be buddies with them.

Huge let down Cryptic. :(
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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So the "war" is coming to a close, even though it was more of a really big skirmish than it was a war...
    Rejoice JJ Trek people....

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253

    Why are you not rejoicing?
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Hands down the very worst aspect of Season 9.

    Whats even the point now of factional balance if its all going to be a random nonsensicle mishmash?
    Whatever happened to escalating the war, and expanding PvP into a territory control metagame?

    I wan't to FIGHT and destroy feds, Not be buddies with them.

    Huge let down Cryptic. :(

    Get together a group and RP all you want. Please don't bother everyone else who need a viable game. ;)
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    Try to ogranize a Fed vs KDF match?

    Its possible that they did that to try and encourage people to do it more, as having to wait for queues can be a bit of a drag. I know from experience. Waiting to do the 20 man FA with the Salt Vampires is mind numbing, not to mention wanting to try The Big Dig every once in a while.
    Open the queues on both sides to both sides could mean the queues fill up faster.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Hands down the very worst aspect of Season 9.

    Whats even the point now of factional balance if its all going to be a random nonsensicle mishmash?
    Whatever happened to escalating the war, and expanding PvP into a territory control metagame?

    I wan't to FIGHT and destroy feds, Not be buddies with them.

    Huge let down Cryptic. :(

    This is actually a HUGE improvement for the more casual KDF pvp players - no-one likes to wait 10-20 min(or an HOUR!!!) for a FvK match to pop - when 3 or 4 FvF matches pop in the same time.

    And really - since the Romulans - it's really RvR a lot of the time:eek:
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Hi, my names's Joe. My greatgrandfather queued for a KvF match when he was a boy...I'm sitting in the queue for him still. I figure my greatgrandchildren will still be waiting too...

    ...ahem, hardly a bad change in the least. I've fallen asleep waiting for a KvF queue to pop.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Great. Playing pvp was not in my plans, but now, even less lol.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You could always try getting along with your fellow players, live-and-let-live etc. Shocking concept I know.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    While it may at first seem nice to in theory play more games, this change pretty much throws the entire notion of being in a faction and faction balance completely out the window.

    Whats next, all the ships become cross-faction?
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I have pvp'd about 5 times since I started playing this game and actually enjoyed it once.

    I may actually do it a bit more often now.:cool:
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited April 2014

    Whats next, all the ships become cross-faction?

    Bye bye STO.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    There's still faction specific content, faction specific trophies (Which we need more of), faction specific locations...
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I want KDF fleet against FED fleet...:) I just want my KDF character able to raid FED's fleet starbase.:D
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    While it may at first seem nice to in theory play more games, this change pretty much throws the entire notion of being in a faction and faction balance completely out the window.

    Why is that a bad thing? The entire concept of 'faction' is an artificial construct that exists for little more than a reason for players to be jerks to one another. Fed, Klingon, Romulan, we're all ultimately humans sitting at a keyboard going through way too much Mountain Dew, so who gives a damn?
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm not a fan of forced PvP but there should have been avoidable areas that were free fire zones, enter at your own risk, where the bloodthirsty could go in and beat each other silly without queues. That would have made sense for 2 factions that are supposed to be at war. As it is this was a war that never happened.
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Why is that a bad thing? The entire concept of 'faction' is an artificial construct that exists for little more than a reason for players to be jerks to one another. Fed, Klingon, Romulan, we're all ultimately humans sitting at a keyboard going through way too much Mountain Dew, so who gives a damn?

    Canon purists.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Bye bye STO.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


    (Does this mean you will stop posting on the forum? hope so:P )
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    maxvitor wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of forced PvP but there should have been avoidable areas that were free fire zones, enter at your own risk, where the bloodthirsty could go in and beat each other silly without queues. That would have made sense for 2 factions that are supposed to be at war. As it is this was a war that never happened.

    I would actually quite like to see this added along side the ques.

    Although actually, isn't that kinda what kar'rat (or however it's spelled) is?
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs

    Nuff Said.

    Personally I will not directly assist any Federation ships that end up on my team, and should my sensors be scrambled I will fire on any starship bearing Federation markings, friend or foe.
  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs

    Nuff Said.

    Personally I will not directly assist any Federation ships that end up on my team, and should my sensors be scrambled I will fire on any starship bearing Federation markings, friend or foe.

    Love this video..:P
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    it is possible that after the dust settles from the undine war, that the alliance will fight over the jolson sphere
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I would actually quite like to see this added along side the ques.

    Although actually, isn't that kinda what kar'rat (or however it's spelled) is?
    Ker'rat isn't queued? Anyway it's a borg thing, I'm talking about territory devoted exclusively to a Federation/Klingon battle, no cybernetic abominations involved, strictly a sandbox battlefield, no mission or distractions maybe a red/blue bar for whichever side is getting the better kill count.
    If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
    Oh Hell NO to ARC
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    FvK queues have been a failure. If you want twitcher combat maps, its this way or no way.

    We need more in-universe open-combat maps, like Ker'rat (but without the oddball farmer-vs-raider mechanics). Then we can have glorious battles, vanquish the enemy, claim territory for our empire(s), etc., and hopefully get on the path to 3-way PVP.
  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    FvK queues have been a failure. If you want twitcher combat maps, its this way or no way.

    We need more in-universe open-combat maps, like Ker'rat (but without the oddball farmer-vs-raider mechanics). Then we can have glorious battles, vanquish the enemy, claim territory for our empire(s), etc., and hopefully get on the path to 3-way PVP.

    FvK is not a failure, just back in those days, we do not have starbase fleet yet, most of the feds are dilithium farmers and they hate kdf raiding, and kdf does not have strong population.

    Now that we have starbase fleet, yes, it is possible to build territory battle without the need to have pvp queue. :)
  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    While it may at first seem nice to in theory play more games, this change pretty much throws the entire notion of being in a faction and faction balance completely out the window.

    Whats next, all the ships become cross-faction?

    That's what the players wanted! Next season cross-faction ships and additionally Borg lockboxes.

    Instead of players wanting Cryptic to make the best STO MMO game with original content that is Star Trek. Now it's Space Trek Online.

    I thought lockbox ships other then the mirror universe was a very bad idea.
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    "....To a threat we now know was perpetrated by Iconian and Undine Influence." If you remember correctly, and the undine/borg mission revamp will explain it, the influence used against the klingon and federation. Enemies and Allies change, especially in cannon Star Trek. We becoming allies with the Klingons, it's time to happen.

    I like this storyline, and this is where some KDF player tells me it's because I'm a feddie and scared. No I'm just a player who loves a good story :)
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    While it may at first seem nice to in theory play more games, this change pretty much throws the entire notion of being in a faction and faction balance completely out the window.

    Whats next, all the ships become cross-faction?
    The notion of being in a faction died the day they released a united Romulan Republic that fight for both side, including against them, while Klingons are catching bunnies to be the new Romulan buddies.

    As of cross faction ship, lockbox. Enough said.

    But it could be worse. If you listen to player, you would have fed scimitar "because it's so much better than a gal x!" and Romulan in fed uniform (probably because they want to play fed, but with the Rom traits/ships).


    As for the topic itself, people asked for faster pvp queue. You have it. And the peace is coming soon. I expect VERY soon, with the fight against Undines (the reason of the war), having a neutral side (Romulan), and the name of S9 : a new accord, like the Khitomer accord.
    Better get used to it.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I wouldn't mind a king of the hill free for all queued event. Or a free for all match for that matter.

    If thus leads to quicker queues, I'm happy
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

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  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The conflict with the Iconians will never come, they are the ultimate bad guys so they will always have to be just out of reach. When we start fighting Iconians I suspect we will be looking at the final run of the game.
    What's going on with the Romulans is a complete cluster f_k, whoever heard of alliances that have your own people shooting at each other, whoever thought that up really needs to stay away from the paint fumes, they should have kept the Romulans neutral with the ability to pick and choose missions from either side but considering how completely generic most of it is, why they went with the alliance thing at all, is completely lost on me.
    I think free for all PVP zones would be preferable to queues since the queue system is so borked, but it's just an opinion.
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs

    Nuff Said.

    Personally I will not directly assist any Federation ships that end up on my team, and should my sensors be scrambled I will fire on any starship bearing Federation markings, friend or foe.
    Things change in 5 years.
  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfbJLLbczs

    Nuff Said.

    Personally I will not directly assist any Federation ships that end up on my team, and should my sensors be scrambled I will fire on any starship bearing Federation markings, friend or foe.



    Then might I suggest private matches with friends and fleeties?


    Because, in public queues, this is called "being a dickhead". Many of us who play in PuGs exclusively enjoy the unpredictability and randomness, thus have a high tolerance for BS. But knuckleheads being poor sports, or TRIBBLE the pooch because of fanboi temper tantrums, is something that IS frowned upon by those trying to have fun.
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