I was reading a recent Dev blog and had to chuckle a bit at what was written:
"In Undine Assault and the Battlezone, the new Undine Planet Killer is in the spotlight. This ship is a huge threat, capable of immense destruction on a scale that Starfleet or the KDF havent dealt with before."
Really, Starfleet hasn't dealt with anything like this before?!? Purely looking at this from the perspective of destroying a planet I think we have! A few great captains have, I suppose we could start with Kirk.
Anyone remember Wrath of Kahn? Do you remember the device he stole? GENESIS!! Originally designed as means to terraform a dead planet. We also found out, that if this device was used on an already living planet it would destroy all life on that existing planet and replace that life with it's own "matrix." Not good enough for you, not serious enough of a threat? How about Picard?
In Star Trek Generations we dealt with an El-Aurian hell bent on getting back to an anomaly known as the "Nexus." In his efforts to do so, he configured torpedoes with trilithium. These trilithium torpedoes when launched into a star caused all fusion within to cease, causing a quantum explosion and destroying every planet within the star's system.
Picard dealt with another crazy man bent on the destruction of planets. Picard's doppelgänger Shinzon of Remis wanted to destroy all of the federation and in particular Earth. With the use of his Thalaron Pulse onboard his Scimitar Warbird. He may have succeed if it hadn't been for Picard's actions in stopping him.
I could probably keep going for awhile, the Borg alone, Wolf 359, the Battle for sector 001, all the encounters with Voyager. I'm sure I'm missing so many more. So yes the Federation has faced its fair share of "death to planets" and the Earth.
Just a fun thread, don't take it too seriously. Leave some of your most memorable trek adventures of on the edge of annihilation of the Federation or KDF, if there are any documented.
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I guess you could argue they were all one off threats over an actual class of ship rolling off a production line, but yeah generally starfleet has had to deal with lots and lots of weapons capable of destroying whole planets going back as far as the Xindi in Enterprise.
Don't forget the doomsday device both in game and in TOS.
Although as previously said most of them are one off threats whereas 8472s planet killer is a class/formation which took mere seconds to blow up a planet.
Krenim Temporal incursion ship. That sucka blasts your entire species out of time. Does not get much more killed than that really.
Oh and it has in-build god mode....
Lets not even start with the fact that any starship can change the trajectory of a big rock and just have it plummet down to some dudes home world.
Extra points for putting a cloaking device on it....
Heck. Relativistic bombs are entirely plausible with Trek tech.
Throw some of dem TRIBBLE.....
heck, the whole elaborate planetkiller thing is a trope in fiction that needs a big fat "villain is a chronic showoff" sign all plastered over it.
I was reading a recent Dev blog and had to chuckle a bit at what was written:
"In Undine Assault and the Battlezone, the new Undine Planet Killer is in the spotlight. This ship is a huge threat, capable of immense destruction on a scale that Starfleet or the KDF havent dealt with before."
Really, Starfleet hasn't dealt with anything like this before?!? Purely looking at this from the perspective of destroying a planet I think we have! A few great captains have, I suppose we could start with Kirk.
Anyone remember Wrath of Kahn? Do you remember the device he stole? GENESIS!! Originally designed as means to terraform a dead planet. We also found out, that if this device was used on an already living planet it we destroy all life on that existing planet and replace that life with it's own "matrix." Not good enough for you, not serious enough of a threat? How about Picard?
In Star Trek Generations we dealt with an El-Aurian hell bent on getting back to an anomaly known as the "Nexus." In his efforts to do so, he configured torpedoes with trilithium. These trilithium torpedoes when launched into a star caused all fusion within to cease, causing a quantum explosion and destroying every planet within the star's system.
Picard dealt with another crazy man bent on the destruction of planets. Picard's doppelgänger Shinzon of Remis wanted to destroy all of the federation and in particular Earth. With the use of his Thalaron Pulse onboard his Scimitar Warbird. He may have succeed if it hadn't been for Picard's actions in stopping him.
I could probably keep going for awhile, the Borg alone, Wolf 359, the Battle for sector 001, all the encounters with Voyager. I'm sure I'm missing so many more. So yes the Federation has faced its fair share of "death to planets" and the Earth.
Just a fun thread, don't take it too seriously. Leave some of your most memorable trek adventures of on the edge of annihilation of the Federation or KDF, if there are any documented.
Well... that actually allmost accurate, but literaly not practicly :P.
All devices couldnt destroy, phisicaly, a planet. Sure they could destroy its life/civilisations, or indirectly destroy the planet via a star explosion, but they couldnt actually blow up the planet if fired at it...
Ohh well... nvm, forgot about the Xindi planet killer
Well... that actually allmost accurate, but literaly not practicly :P.
All devices couldnt destroy, phisicaly, a planet. Sure they could destroy its life/civilisations, or indirectly destroy the planet via a star explosion, but they couldnt actually blow up the planet if fired at it...
Ohh well... nvm, forgot about the Xindi planet killer
please.
Its already shown that trek tech can stabilize a planets tectonics... so it could also destabilize it....
The combined romulan/cardy fleet of 20 ships planned to crack open the crust of the founders homeworld....
Entirely destroying a planet is possible for just about any trek race that has mastered am/m tech.Its just that everyone realized that it is ultimately a pointless undertaking.
Well, not the the undine of course. They looked at TV tropes, read planetkiller and stopped then and there. Thats why they missed the Skywalker clause.....
Also if you put a warp engine on an asteroid and fired the asteroid at a planet at maximum warp speed that planet will shatter and go boom. New asteroid belt.
You could do it with an impulse engine--at half lightspeed the results would be the same. No need to waste all that valuable dliithium. Pliers crack a walnut as well as a bulldozer does.
You don't even need a big planet killing ship, DS9 demonstrated that enough Starships can ruin a planet in their opening volley. Like when the Tal'shiar and Obsidian Order fired upon the founders "homeworld" and they ruined the planet and any life that might of been on it with the first volley of torps and beam weapons.
I know it's a staple of Sci-fi and Trek has had it's share of planet killers, but... I really hate the idea of planet killers being so common place and such a gimmick everyone uses cause it's 'cool'.
Any intelligent space faring race wouldn't blow the TRIBBLE out of a damn planet! At most, they'd wipe out the life and leave the planet for re-population. Why waste valuable real estate?
I know it's a staple of Sci-fi and Trek has had it's share of planet killers, but... I really hate the idea of planet killers being so common place and such a gimmick everyone uses cause it's 'cool'.
Any intelligent space faring race wouldn't blow the TRIBBLE out of a damn planet! At most, they'd wipe out the life and leave the planet for re-population. Why waste valuable real estate?
Well thats how people work...
"Ohhhhhh Look, i've had this iPhone 4S for a year... LOOK they've released the iPhone 5... Better get rid of this old piece of junk".
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Why do you assume the real estate is valuable to them intact? What if the race in question evolved on a gas giant or out in deep space? They'd have no use for colonizing the terrestrial planets.
Maybe they fuel their vessels by blowing up planets and consuming the remains.
Maybe they have hollow motherships that materialize around planets killing the inhabitants, and then mine the planets for their resources.
Even if the real estate is useful to you, it takes a lot more manpower to occupy and exploit it than to simply deny the enemy access. Rome could really have used Carthage's fields, but given the situation (size of the garrison necessary, distance from established supply lines, vulnerability to recapture), the short term effect of crippling the enemy's ability to field an army was more likely to pay off than the long term economic benefit of keeping and using them, so they salted them instead.
A border world can be taken incrementally, moving defenses and extending supply lines to an only slightly different border. However, a world deep in an enemy empire, heavily defended, easily retaken, and also likely boasting a larger population and much larger economic output, is almost impossible to take without first moving those lines all the way through every world in between. As long as the enemy has it, though, it's economy is supporting their war - feeding their troops, building their ships, or just providing recruits - whatever the world's main exports are. Damaging or destroying that world will have an immense impact on the enemy's ability to continue fighting the war, and will cost you only the weapons expended and ships dedicated (their escape afterward is possible but doubtful).
If you're planning more wars after the current one, a guaranteed win for some of the spoils may be preferable to a protracted war of attrition for all of them.
Apparently, a single modified torpedo can destroy the Biosphere of any planet and make it inhospitable to all life ("The Chase"). If you think about the fact that cloaked ships can apparently reach an empires homeworld without being noticed, the conclusions are terrifying. (Seen in TNG as well). :eek:
I know it's a staple of Sci-fi and Trek has had it's share of planet killers, but... I really hate the idea of planet killers being so common place and such a gimmick everyone uses cause it's 'cool'.
Any intelligent space faring race wouldn't blow the TRIBBLE out of a damn planet! At most, they'd wipe out the life and leave the planet for re-population. Why waste valuable real estate?
In many of the cases I offered these were acts by an individuals or small groups of people. All we have to do is look around our own planet and see that there are enough nut jobs here that would gladly blow up Earth if given the opportunity and hell they got nowhere else to go after they do it. They'd still go through with it though.
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Although as previously said most of them are one off threats whereas 8472s planet killer is a class/formation which took mere seconds to blow up a planet.
Oh and it has in-build god mode....
Lets not even start with the fact that any starship can change the trajectory of a big rock and just have it plummet down to some dudes home world.
Extra points for putting a cloaking device on it....
Heck. Relativistic bombs are entirely plausible with Trek tech.
Throw some of dem TRIBBLE.....
heck, the whole elaborate planetkiller thing is a trope in fiction that needs a big fat "villain is a chronic showoff" sign all plastered over it.
Well... that actually allmost accurate, but literaly not practicly :P.
All devices couldnt destroy, phisicaly, a planet. Sure they could destroy its life/civilisations, or indirectly destroy the planet via a star explosion, but they couldnt actually blow up the planet if fired at it...
Ohh well... nvm, forgot about the Xindi planet killer
please.
Its already shown that trek tech can stabilize a planets tectonics... so it could also destabilize it....
The combined romulan/cardy fleet of 20 ships planned to crack open the crust of the founders homeworld....
Entirely destroying a planet is possible for just about any trek race that has mastered am/m tech.Its just that everyone realized that it is ultimately a pointless undertaking.
Well, not the the undine of course. They looked at TV tropes, read planetkiller and stopped then and there. Thats why they missed the Skywalker clause.....
You could do it with an impulse engine--at half lightspeed the results would be the same. No need to waste all that valuable dliithium. Pliers crack a walnut as well as a bulldozer does.
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
That and Omega Particle weapons... and a good blaster.
Don't you bring that Star Wars lore into my Star Trek lore!
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Any intelligent space faring race wouldn't blow the TRIBBLE out of a damn planet! At most, they'd wipe out the life and leave the planet for re-population. Why waste valuable real estate?
Well thats how people work...
"Ohhhhhh Look, i've had this iPhone 4S for a year... LOOK they've released the iPhone 5... Better get rid of this old piece of junk".
Even if the real estate is useful to you, it takes a lot more manpower to occupy and exploit it than to simply deny the enemy access. Rome could really have used Carthage's fields, but given the situation (size of the garrison necessary, distance from established supply lines, vulnerability to recapture), the short term effect of crippling the enemy's ability to field an army was more likely to pay off than the long term economic benefit of keeping and using them, so they salted them instead.
A border world can be taken incrementally, moving defenses and extending supply lines to an only slightly different border. However, a world deep in an enemy empire, heavily defended, easily retaken, and also likely boasting a larger population and much larger economic output, is almost impossible to take without first moving those lines all the way through every world in between. As long as the enemy has it, though, it's economy is supporting their war - feeding their troops, building their ships, or just providing recruits - whatever the world's main exports are. Damaging or destroying that world will have an immense impact on the enemy's ability to continue fighting the war, and will cost you only the weapons expended and ships dedicated (their escape afterward is possible but doubtful).
If you're planning more wars after the current one, a guaranteed win for some of the spoils may be preferable to a protracted war of attrition for all of them.
In many of the cases I offered these were acts by an individuals or small groups of people. All we have to do is look around our own planet and see that there are enough nut jobs here that would gladly blow up Earth if given the opportunity and hell they got nowhere else to go after they do it. They'd still go through with it though.
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This, considering a drop from a syringe caused Vulcan to collapse on itself.