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This new Season feels like a Half Season.

dark4blooddark4blood Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
Changes NOT happening:

- No new cannon ships
- No new Species
- No Fleet expansion or fixes for fleet marks
- A tweak to already existing story missions
- no fixes to current Grind maps
- No fix or mention of PVP or Crafting
- No Level cap increase

Changes:

- Nerfs
- New Grind maps that still don't have drop rewards or progression rewards beyond Rep system
- New Rep but changes to rep system was tested in Season 8
- Focus on one faction revamp though there are 2 factions
- New Lockbox
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some day you will say something nice about the game, and then the internet will crack; and then you will be sad that you no longer have access to the game you seem to dislike so much. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Season 9 will be the Maple syrup, you know.. over the bacon... Yum!
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    To be fair this seems Season 8, Part II ... there isnt much outside the typical "new reputation" and its grind maps, the changes to Rep seem to something not only poorly thought but poorly planned as they are still thinking on what to do with it.

    The only thing we get was the Kit changes, one more FE is simply not enough and no matter how much they create more grind maps they continue to not be popular.
    "To be fair" it is a free update which they do not need to offer at all. They could be like many other FTP games and charge you for the new content.

    We need to keep some perspective here; no matter how big or small the Season update might be.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    "To be fair" it is a free update which they do not need to offer at all. They could be like many other FTP games and charge you for the new content.
    But they do charge, in their own way at least.

    The sales they make from ship purchases and lock boxes pay their bills.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    But they do charge, in their own way at least.

    The sales they make from ship purchases and lock boxes pay their bills.
    And those ships and Lockboxes would still be added to the game even if they never added new content.

    Cryptic could be like many other FTP games and charge you $10.00 for access to the new STF. $5.00 for access to the Dyson Sphere.$35.00 for the Expansion Pack, and so on.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    People said Season 8 was a half season, and I've seen people call Season 7 a half season too. LoR has been called a half expansion, and I wouldn't be surprised if people called every other addition to the game "half-done" as well. Stop already.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Have heard folks call S9 an expansion because of all that is changing...it's funny how folks can have such different perspectives on the same thing.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dark4blood wrote: »
    ^I said MANY nice things about the game during Season 7, and I also believe the F2P method is still the best one, but they keep making bad choices ever since Season 7. Sorry you can't admit that.
    Since Season 7 they have launched Season 8, Season 8.5, and LoR - with Season 9 coming out next week.

    I do not know how many MMOs you play, but if you find a game that has added more free content in 1 year then what STO has between the 3rd and 4th Anniversary I will give you 25 million EC.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wow. It's like you haven't played a game where the biggest updates are the lockboxes. And nothing else.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dark4blood wrote: »
    Changes NOT happening:

    - No new cannon ships
    They are usually not part of a season updates. And are added all over the year.
    - No new Species
    Technically, we have the revamped Undines. Then, I'm not a big fan of adding a new enemy for a single season, and then forget it.
    - No Fleet expansion or fixes for fleet marks
    Take it as a break in the fleet grind and powercreep.
    - A tweak to already existing story missions
    Like for example, the undine/borg missions ?
    - no fixes to current Grind maps
    Working as intended (tm).
    - No fix or mention of PVP or Crafting
    Or the Foundry. But they don't sell. Adding cheap grind sell.
    - No Level cap increase
    Just like for the past 8~ seasons.
    The level cap will probably come in the next "expansion". Everytime we speak about the leak about MK XIII weapons, the topic mysteriously disappear, pretty much proof it will come soon.



    In the end, pretty much the same content than usual.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    "To be fair" it is a free update which they do not need to offer at all. They could be like many other FTP games and charge you for the new content.

    We need to keep some perspective here; no matter how big or small the Season update might be.

    I think LOR ruined a lot of people.
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    That's why STO is a steaming, shovel load, of F2P crapware. Luckily, it doesn't cost you anything but time. And if you're uncomfortable making that investment, just walk away, like most players are doing.

    Yet here you are still.

    Now onto the OP.

    A new season does not have to add a new ship, species or what not. As someone said a number of improvements can be "invisible".

    PvP hasn't been touched in god knws how long. the only way to fix it now would be to just scrap the current system and re-build it from the bottom up, and that really is not going to happen.

    Level cap rise is not a necessary thing to do. There are other ways of improving your character. What is it about the number that matters so much to people?
  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    has added more free content

    Quantity =/= Quality

    Some games only do big, but good and durable expansions.

    Cryptic needs to do this just to keep putting the carrot in the stick.

    Adding a reputation is content, but is good content? For their pockets, sure..

    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    "To be fair" it is a free update which they do not need to offer at all. They could be like many other FTP games and charge you for the new content.


    And dont bring me that either! This FTP system works for them, and fill their pockets, so dont bring me the "hoo thanks Cryptic for the free game".

    For all we know, if they do this the game would be long gone. I dont think some is going to paid for access to a new reputation or for an upgrade on old missions.
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    That's why STO is a steaming, shovel load, of F2P crapware. Luckily, it doesn't cost you anything but time. And if you're uncomfortable making that investment, just walk away, like most players are doing.
    You mean some players, don't you? Just because you have talked to players who may be your friends, that doesn't mean they're a cross-section of the whole playerbase of Star Trek Online.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Obviously Season 9 is half a Season since Season 8 had Season 8.0 and Season 8.5.
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    That's why STO is a steaming, shovel load, of F2P crapware. Luckily, it doesn't cost you anything but time. And if you're uncomfortable making that investment, just walk away, like most players are doing.

    If you think this game is just a load of TRIBBLE, then why are you still posting in the forums or playing the game? Also, there is no way to know if most of the players are leaving. Cryptic doesn't give its daily statistics to confirm how many people played on a particular day.

    All that you can say is that most of my Fleet Members are not playing any more or use something like the Steam Statistics graph that shows how many players are playing STO at a given time during the day for players that log in to STO through Steam. If each hour has 1,000 Steam players only play STO for 1 hour on a particular day, then it would show a peak of 1,000, but 24,000 players would have played that day. Therefore, the only good it does is show general trends in the game that is evident from most MMOs. STO will see a rise of players next week due to Season 9 and it will decrease to normal levels until the Summer Event.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    I think LOR ruined a lot of people.

    In short, we're all spoiled snobs. :P
  • zulisvelzulisvel Member Posts: 518 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dark4blood wrote: »
    No new cannon ships
    How many canon Federation, Klingon, or Romulan ships that are not kitbashes are left?
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    This is just my opinion but they basically built this template for new content and the art team is basically the ones making it look different. In all though every time I play a mission and such it feels like I am playing the same thing over and over for different marks lol.

    The other factor is they really haven't been filling the game with fixes where they need to be and development where it needs to be etc.
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  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    If you think this game is just a load of TRIBBLE, then why are you still posting in the forums or playing the game?
    HEY! There many, MANY motives to log in to a TRIBBLE game. One of them is if you are a trekky and this a Star Trek game. Some ppl just enjoy entering and flying their Galaxy in sector space, but that does not change the fact that they think that the game is TRIBBLE! Some other ppl enter to enjoy roleplay in a Star Trek medium, other just to be with friends.

    And make no mistake, I do not think the game is TRIBBLE or that is doomed, but there are many reasons to log in to a Star Trek game even if you think is TRIBBLE and you (or anyone) do not have the right to judge that, or the right to judge his opinion of the game, or the fact that he wish it that improves.


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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Quantity =/= Quality

    Some games only do big, but good and durable expansions.

    Cryptic needs to do this just to keep putting the carrot in the stick.

    Adding a reputation is content, but is good content? For their pockets, sure..


    And dont bring me that either! This FTP system works for them, and fill their pockets, so dont bring me the "hoo thanks Cryptic for the free game".

    For all we know, if they do this the game would be long gone. I dont think some is going to paid for access to a new reputation or for an upgrade on old missions.

    Season 9 is not an expansion it is effectively a content patch. The expansion is yet to come. Therefore you can't compare them. Even people in WoW complain about content droughts between content updates and I am not talking expansions here either.

    Ofcourse it fills their pockets, the game would have shut down otherwise. However you do not need to buy a single thing that has cost money, and I include Zen on the exchange here, to play all the game. You don't even have to spend a single piece of dil. You can do it quite happily on the free RA ship and dropped gear.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zulisvel wrote: »
    How many canon Federation, Klingon, or Romulan ships that are not kitbashes are left?

    That depends, are we counting the TOS ships or not? :P
  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    decronia wrote: »
    Season 9 is not an expansion it is effectively a content patch. The expansion is yet to come. Therefore you can't compare them. Even people in WoW complain about content droughts between content updates and I am not talking expansions here either.

    Read what I post, I was qutoing some one, that is an important key in any forum discussion.
    decronia wrote: »
    Ofcourse it fills their pockets, the game would have shut down otherwise. However you do not need to buy a single thing that has cost money, and I include Zen on the exchange here, to play all the game. You don't even have to spend a single piece of dil. You can do it quite happily on the free RA ship and dropped gear.

    READ, that is exactly what I just said and do it with attention!
    The system works for them, but I dont have to worship them for the free content, because at the end, they do it for money. It is a business that works good for them and for us.

    Read and pay attention next time please..
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,804 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    nikkojt wrote: »
    People said Season 8 was a half season, and I've seen people call Season 7 a half season too. LoR has been called a half expansion, and I wouldn't be surprised if people called every other addition to the game "half-done" as well. Stop already.

    inorite

    It's almost like peoples' expectations are set a bit too high or something...

    I mean, for example, let's look at Season 4. Look at what it brought. See all those new missions? Don't let them fool you, they were the missions you did to tour the First City, nothing more.

    Everything else looks kinda familiar, doesn't it? Revamps, revamps, revamps... The only really big thing was ground combat. Everything else is about the same kind of stuff we saw with S8 and are seeing with S9. Except S8 and 9 also saw at least one story mission a pop.

    People need to remember what a Season is and measure their expectations accordingly, or you get threads like this - whining about a perfectly good season for dumb reasons.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Sounds like someone needs a break from the game.

    To me it looks good for what they bringing us. There is all kinds of new additions to the game. And I'm looking forward to it.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Some day you will say something nice about the game, and then the internet will crack; and then you will be sad that you no longer have access to the game you seem to dislike so much. :)

    Someday you will acknowledge the fact that this game has some problems and the internet will break....
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    "To be fair" it is a free update which they do not need to offer at all. They could be like many other FTP games and charge you for the new content.

    We need to keep some perspective here; no matter how big or small the Season update might be.

    Of course they need to offer those. In their own interest. Otherwise people won't play, people won't buy stuff and the game doesn't pay off anymore.
    zulisvel wrote: »
    How many canon Federation, Klingon, or Romulan ships that are not kitbashes are left?

    Well the K'Vort, which the lead ship guy just and plain refuses to make, the niagara class which was only seen for a second, but is technically not a kitbash.... Maybe chakotays marquis raider.... Which is probably more of a shuttle...
    ... And well... A few more shuttles.
    So there isn't much canon stuff left, indeed.

    I don't think the update does not add to little (and I don't know if the additions are good or bad^^).
    I believe people are just underwhelmed by the fact that... That update maintains a direction they don't like ( I partially agree on that)
    The reputation changes do not address the actual problems with the rep system, some people don't like that very system at all (not me, I consider it a very good concept, the problems are with the execution).... And also they take (again) stuff away.
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