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Brannon Braga: "Kazon are just half-baked Klingons."

karmogkarmog Member Posts: 115 Arc User
As I'm reading this "upcoming content" page on the STO Wiki, I notice the following:

"Talaxians, Ocampa (FED) and Kazon (KDF) as new playable races."

Terrible idea. Read about the Kazon (originally "Gazon"). It is about the crew essentially admitting that they did a poor job and failed at creating an interesting species. It is a shame because the name sounds powerful and they could have done a better job.

"The series' co-creators originally conceived of the Kazon as contemporary Los Angeles street gangs."

"Ultimately, Jeri Taylor decided to abandon development of the Kazon after the second season."


Going with the Klingon Empire theme, the new playable Delta quadrant species should be the Hirogen. If you read about them, the article mentions and essentially implies that these were meant to be the Kazon they really wanted.

Suggestion: Hirogen.
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  • caeloaeturnumcaeloaeturnum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I agree. I'd much rather play as a Hirogen (especially since we already have the ships and armor in game) than a Kazon. The Kazon were such a boring race.
  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Hirogen should get to the Romulan Republic. I don't care which species joints Klingons, but in STO, Hirogen have history with the Romulan Star Empire and the Tal Shiar.
    Maybe some visionary Hirogen, which want to build a new society and stop the endless hunt, want to join up with the Republic.

    I think they fit together nicely.

    And give the Feds Talaxians. They deserve them every bit.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Unless you actually see blogs, and stuff on tribble, I would not worry what the Wiki says, most of it is outdated stuff anyway...that was all said what in 2012.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    A couple of things:

    1- That wiki entry isn't founded in the current reality of what's actually being done by the team. So that's all kind of a maybe. May or may not happen. Probably won't.

    2- Don't diss the Kazon. Some of us (me) WANT to fly a Kazon ship. I mean the rest of you get your Elachi, Voth, Breen, Jem'Hadar and Ferengi ships. You get your Romulan Adapted JJ-Tech Narada style ships. You even get your Suliban Cell Ships for crying out loud. Let me have my dream of a Kazon Battle Cruiser dammit!

    That is all.
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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    A couple of things:

    1- That wiki entry isn't founded in the current reality of what's actually being done by the team. So that's all kind of a maybe. May or may not happen. Probably won't.

    2- Don't diss the Kazon. Some of us (me) WANT to fly a Kazon ship. I mean the rest of you get your Elachi, Voth, Breen, Jem'Hadar and Ferengi ships. You get your Romulan Adapted JJ-Tech Narada style ships. You even get your Suliban Cell Ships for crying out loud. Let me have my dream of a Kazon Battle Cruiser dammit!

    That is all.

    Isn't it a battle carrier? Couldn't it launch a those shuttles?
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I really liked that tribe-aspects of them, same for the "former slave" aspect.
    But that never was played out or had any significant impact, if any at all..

    Plus they looked like ******* that didn't even know how to use a shower...
    On the other hand... looked.... I mean their version of a prison was a line drawn on the ground and hoping nobody steps over it... so may be we should replace that "looked" part in previous sentence "were"....

    But before Voyager-bashing starts I want to remind people that TNG actually tried to portray the ferengie as a militarily threatening enemy in early TNG and failed a lot harder then even the dump Kazon...


    But as a matter of fact, I wound want any of those races see even again.
    Talaxians were.... just painful to watch.
    Ocampa have to be extinct at that point by pretty much every possible logic.
    And Kazon.... well... We half already half baked Klingons... as a faction. We don't need them as a playable race.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Isn't it a battle carrier? Couldn't it launch a those shuttles?

    I'll take either.

    :)

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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Was not a huge fan of the Kazon themselves, but I did really like the look of the Kazon Raiders, though I suppose technically they are "Trabe" ships. :P
  • adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    A couple of things:

    1- That wiki entry isn't founded in the current reality of what's actually being done by the team. So that's all kind of a maybe. May or may not happen. Probably won't.

    2- Don't diss the Kazon. Some of us (me) WANT to fly a Kazon ship. I mean the rest of you get your Elachi, Voth, Breen, Jem'Hadar and Ferengi ships. You get your Romulan Adapted JJ-Tech Narada style ships. You even get your Suliban Cell Ships for crying out loud. Let me have my dream of a Kazon Battle Cruiser dammit!

    That is all.

    You know in keeping with Trek lore you would have to get worked over by any tier 4 ship though. Janeway was able to handle 3 or so in her Intrepid class. Kazon inferior technology, huh!! :P
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Kazon are so terrible even the Borg consider them a waste of time.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well if we're going out to the delta quadrant, lets blow up some kazon. BRING 'em ON!
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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Kazon were such a boring race.

    Hey -- they get kudos for being able to reproduce with Cardassians. But then, so do Bajorans.

    Okay, yeah. Kazon isn't gonna work.

    I'd like to know why the sudden focus on Voyager. VOY didn't have a lot of well-developed alien species. And when they did, it was usually accompanied by reckless and irresponsible actions by the CPT and crew. VOY at its core is the very antithesis of Trek. Don't believe me? Look at the Voth battle zone. With ****ING DINOSAURS.

    Sorry, but I'm okay with a few mentions of VOY stuff in game (like slipstream). But as plot points? HELLno.
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  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No to Delta Quadrant species! I'd be fine if it was just over the border Delta species but these are species that are over (at minimum) 30 YEARS of travel away from the Alpha Quadrant.

    Yes yes I know the borders have shifted some since the 2370s but to that doesn't give any excuse to have Delta Quadrant species showing up. The exception at the Borg only because they have shown they have the tech (transwarp) necessary to do what they damn well please, even if it is be highly inefficient about assimilating Sector 001. But that is a thread for another time.

    As for Ocampa, they exist 70 years away and are a biological dead end and that is canon. So them in Star Fleet makes 0 sense.

    As for Kazon. In a weird way I can see them fitting into the KDF. They seem to be a very warrior centric culture that takes honor and tradition seriously. On a switch of the general scene used as evidence for the Kazon's utter lack of brains, the "prison" ie line in the floor they are told not to cross could be that maybe the Kazon are honorable. Honorable enough that when caught they don't need a physical cell to hold them because their honor won't allow them to escape. Alternatively they might just be dumber than the Pakleds.

    Only problem is they live 60 or so years away. Maybe 50. How can a race that doesn't even have their own ship technology (all their tech is stolen in their uprising against the Trabe) get to the Alpha Quadrant. It's not like they are nomads like the Hirogen who you could argue wandered en masse to the Beta Quadrant.

    Please note that any reference to years means light years and assumes straight line travel and max warp.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    adorenko wrote: »
    You know in keeping with Trek lore you would have to get worked over by any tier 4 ship though. Janeway was able to handle 3 or so in her Intrepid class. Kazon inferior technology, huh!! :P

    It's 2409. The Kazon, and much of the Delta quadrant, have been on the rise technologically to deal with life after the events of Voyager.

    :)
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  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    Hey -- they get kudos for being able to reproduce with Cardassians. But then, so do Bajorans.

    Okay, yeah. Kazon isn't gonna work.

    I'd like to know why the sudden focus on Voyager. VOY didn't have a lot of well-developed alien species. And when they did, it was usually accompanied by reckless and irresponsible actions by the CPT and crew. VOY at its core is the very antithesis of Trek. Don't believe me? Look at the Voth battle zone. With ****ING DINOSAURS.

    Sorry, but I'm okay with a few mentions of VOY stuff in game (like slipstream). But as plot points? HELLno.

    I think they did a survey or something and it turned out most people wanted more Delta Quadrant stuff. Since Voyager is the only canon source of Delta Quadrant information...
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No to Delta Quadrant species! I'd be fine if it was just over the border Delta species but these are species that are over (at minimum) 30 YEARS of travel away from the Alpha Quadrant.

    Uh, the Dyson Sphere storyline pretty much gives us carte blanche to pop into the DQ (dairy queen AND delta quadrant) whenever we feel.
    Please note that any reference to years means light years and assumes straight line travel and max warp.

    But as we've seen with the Worf Episode, the Tuvok episode (and are about to see with the next installment with the Season 9 Undine episode) ... the Spires and Dyson jibba jabba have opened up pretty much any place they want. Including much of the Delta Quadrant.
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited April 2014
    My preferences in order for playable races (romulan-type faction):

    Cardassian - clearly the next best 'cool', infact I would go so far as saying 'super cool'. So many opportunities. Cryptic this is my wallet. Take my money.

    Hirogen - Next 'interesting opportunity', perhaps having access to an ancient starbase somewherein the Delta Quadrant, having been built by the same race as the communications arrays.

    Borg (Hugh-like breakaway group) - Hard to justify as an 'aligned group' given we're fighting borg daily and the borg are returning. But hey, we have Voth bridge officers.

    Dominion - Play as a Vorta, Free Jem'Hadar or even a Founder.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    fixed that for you.
    tng borg would have looked at them and thought "oh look, an easily consumed snack".

    Actual TNG Borg are primarily interested in assimilating technology not Races. So.... they would be even less interested. They ignore everything that isn't a threat.
  • adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No to Delta Quadrant species! I'd be fine if it was just over the border Delta species but these are species that are over (at minimum) 30 YEARS of travel away from the Alpha Quadrant.

    Yes yes I know the borders have shifted some since the 2370s but to that doesn't give any excuse to have Delta Quadrant species showing up. The exception at the Borg only because they have shown they have the tech (transwarp) necessary to do what they damn well please, even if it is be highly inefficient about assimilating Sector 001. But that is a thread for another time.

    As for Ocampa, they exist 70 years away and are a biological dead end and that is canon. So them in Star Fleet makes 0 sense.

    As for Kazon. In a weird way I can see them fitting into the KDF. They seem to be a very warrior centric culture that takes honor and tradition seriously. On a switch of the general scene used as evidence for the Kazon's utter lack of brains, the "prison" ie line in the floor they are told not to cross could be that maybe the Kazon are honorable. Honorable enough that when caught they don't need a physical cell to hold them because their honor won't allow them to escape. Alternatively they might just be dumber than the Pakleds.

    Only problem is they live 60 or so years away. Maybe 50. How can a race that doesn't even have their own ship technology (all their tech is stolen in their uprising against the Trabe) get to the Alpha Quadrant. It's not like they are nomads like the Hirogen who you could argue wandered en masse to the Beta Quadrant.

    Please note that any reference to years means light years and assumes straight line travel and max warp.

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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    karmog wrote: »
    As I'm reading this "upcoming content" page on the STO Wiki, I notice the following:

    "Talaxians, Ocampa (FED) and Kazon (KDF) as new playable races."

    Terrible idea. Read about the Kazon (originally "Gazon"). It is about the crew essentially admitting that they did a poor job and failed at creating an interesting species. It is a shame because the name sounds powerful and they could have done a better job.

    "The series' co-creators originally conceived of the Kazon as contemporary Los Angeles street gangs."

    "Ultimately, Jeri Taylor decided to abandon development of the Kazon after the second season."


    Going with the Klingon Empire theme, the new playable Delta quadrant species should be the Hirogen. If you read about them, the article mentions and essentially implies that these were meant to be the Kazon they really wanted.

    Suggestion: Hirogen.

    The Kazon have literally been on the "upcoming content" list for years now, don't waste your time on it.;)
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    nikkojt wrote: »
    I think they did a survey or something and it turned out most people wanted more Delta Quadrant stuff. Since Voyager is the only canon source of Delta Quadrant information...

    I guess that makes sense.

    What pisses me off is that there isn't much in the Delta Quadrant. Yeah, there was the new-alien-of-the-week. And the WAY late, potentially compelling story of the rights of photonic lifeforms (which, I might add, was an obvious rehash of Measure of A Man). I guess the love story between a Klingon Maquis and a Human Starfleet reject-turned-reformed officer could be used in game. Except that there is NO romance in STO. Uhm...there's the Borg, but VOY pussified them. Then there was Species 8472, but they were pussified later on, too. There was the antagonism and back and forth between Neelix and Tuvok (though I didn't notice it until that one episode where numbnuts confronts pointy).

    Aside from a few cosmetic species and some technology, VOY doesn't have much to offer STO.

    Unless you wanna do a mission where the CPT devolves and has alien babies that are spontaneously forgotten about...yeah, good luck with that one.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Kazon as a playable race: No. Please, just no.

    Kazon ships shoved into a lockbox someday: Eh, sure. They're kind of neat looking.
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    VOY sucked. The only thing it had of any redeeming value was Jeri Ryan.

    Hey, now.

    Picardo. Picardo and Ryan carried that show.
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited April 2014
    I prefer the race from the year of hell, THe Krenam. I laugh at your RSP and Metphasic Shielding. But I guess feds could always fall back on inverse bulkheads that failed in the 20th century but are much more reliable in the 25th century.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Really, the Kazon?
    They are like the Inbred trailer park trash of the Star Trek universe.

    I don't know if I am horrified, or amused about this.:confused:
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    I guess the love story between a Klingon Maquis and a Human Starfleet reject-turned-reformed officer could be used in game. Except that there is NO romance in STO.

    That particular love story plays a key part in early STO missions, specifically the Klingon arc and Miral Paris herself.
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  • havokreignhavokreign Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They are the Jews after the Exodus. Rome conquers Egypt around 30BC (well after the Exodus and the establisment of the Temple of David.)

    By then a very large quotient of Roman influence is that of Judaism.

    The Kazon likewise overthrew their oppressors and conquered their established lands and technology before beginning tribal warfare among the stars.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Ocampa....


    Ummmm.... it's been a while since I've seen Voyager... don't they only live 7 years?

    Assuming Starfleet Academy is like college / university, wouldn't it take 4 years to graduate? Or 3 years for JJ's version of Kirk?

    Assuming the Ocampa are mature enough to attend SFA on their 1st birthday, they would graduate on their 5th birthday. Thus leaving only 2 years left on their natural lifespan.

    I dunno about you guys, but I think it is a waste of time and resources to train for 4 years only to serve for 2 years.
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