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mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
Currently it's now at 140 Dil per Zen and climbing by 1-2 more each day.

I know we had a recent event, but that's still no excuse for the cost skyrocketing so outrageously. It's like PE is deliberately gaming the market (please don't hand me any garbage about the Dil market being player-driven. It's all being done by the company. No one just so happens to have 200000 Zen to plunk down to get converted to Dil) to force the Dil Farmers out of the game (literally) so that they can give most player no choice but to open their wallets and spend real money for Z.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Of course the Event is an excuse. People have 50,000 free Dilithium - some have hundreds of thousands of free Dilithum - and they are going to unload it into the system, which is going to drive the price up.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    While I won't go for the tinfoil hat accessory, its not just dilith. Fleet modules are over 8 mil in the exchange now, and lockbox keys are approaching 3 mil. I don't get why its inflating this much, this fast.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The bug lottery is almost at an end. Wait and watch the conversion rate plummet once it has ended.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'll just wait till the wave is over. Besides, I have days of refining to do anyway, and nothing I really need to get.
  • architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    New season is also approaching, that always drives up the rate.
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Just wait for it to settle down to 130 or so again.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If you think these rates are high, let me tell you then that when I began grinding my B'rel, the rates were 250:1. Although admitted, when I was done, the rates were 90:1.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I've heard rumors that there's a cartel of players using the opportunity presented by recent player dissatisfaction to strike at the EC Exchange (and thus affect the Dil Exchange) to further increase player dissatisfaction in an attempt to kill the game. I've heard it's a direct result of Cryptic not implementing cropped jackets and skants for male toons...

    edit: Though, I still chuckle when folks complain about the exchange rate whenever it's below 200-300...cause now, that was painful.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I have seriously been thinking I could sell my 73,000 Zen for Dilithium when it gets to 160 and then hold on to it and then buy-back my Zen when it drops back to 130s.

    73,000 x 160 = 11,680,000

    11,680,000 / 130 = 8,984 Zen.

    1,500 Zen bump for doing nothing. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I've heard rumors that there's a cartel of players using the opportunity presented by recent player dissatisfaction to strike at the EC Exchange (and thus affect the Dil Exchange) to further increase player dissatisfaction in an attempt to kill the game. I've heard it's a direct result of Cryptic not implementing cropped jackets and skants for male toons...

    edit: Though, I still chuckle when folks complain about the exchange rate whenever it's below 200-300...cause now, that was painful.

    QUIET YOU- we know where you live!! We WILL have the Skant in game!!
  • mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    While I won't go for the tinfoil hat accessory, its not just dilith. Fleet modules are over 8 mil in the exchange now, and lockbox keys are approaching 3 mil. I don't get why its inflating this much, this fast.

    The price of dilithium is highly linked with the prices of Zen commodities such as Fleet Modules and Master Keys. In addition, look at demand. Right now people who convert Zen to EC are going into the Doff packs more than the others. Second-tier fleets are now getting their Spires to Tier 2 at least, if not 3, so they may be buying modules to get the Fleet Veteran Ships and Fleet Ar'Kifs.

    Also there should be a new lockbox turning up in not too much longer.

    If the STO exchange starts looking like the CO exchange, then it's time to worry. :rolleyes:
  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Of course the Event is an excuse. People have 50,000 free Dilithium - some have hundreds of thousands of free Dilithum - and they are going to unload it into the system, which is going to drive the price up.

    yea I had 400000 after 2 grueling weeks.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TREQGl54BU8&feature=endscreen
    I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.:confused:
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Easy solution: Stop using the exchange.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • risingstar2009risingstar2009 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Currently it's now at 140 Dil per Zen and climbing by 1-2 more each day.

    I know we had a recent event, but that's still no excuse for the cost skyrocketing so outrageously. It's like PE is deliberately gaming the market (please don't hand me any garbage about the Dil market being player-driven. It's all being done by the company. No one just so happens to have 200000 Zen to plunk down to get converted to Dil) to force the Dil Farmers out of the game (literally) so that they can give most player no choice but to open their wallets and spend real money for Z.

    I hate to burst your bubble, but the market is completely player driven. And some people do have the money to spend on getting that much Zen. After all, 200,000 is only $2,000. Plus, playing the market can earn you some zen as well, depending on exchange rates. Very similar to day-trading.

    If I had the money, I would probably have a stockpile of Zen to exchange for Dilithium when certain projects for rep or fleet opened up.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I hate to burst your bubble, but the market is completely player driven. And some people do have the money to spend on getting that much Zen. After all, 200,000 is only $2,000. Plus, playing the market can earn you some zen as well, depending on exchange rates. Very similar to day-trading.

    If I had the money, I would probably have a stockpile of Zen to exchange for Dilithium when certain projects for rep or fleet opened up.

    Aside from the 50k blip from the Mirror event - no one has mentioned the other major factor :

    people not buying lots of Zen with real cash and putting it on the market to exchange for dilithium.

    Right now there are not a lot of new dilithium sinks - most of the major fleets are done so there is not a big push for people to buy zen and put it on the market for dilithium.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Honestly, I saw this coming, with the MI rewards and all. Sadly, I didn't think about it til after the sale on Zen they ran right when the Gal-X came out. :(

    Really, the only reason this didn't happen sooner/harder is because of that sale. If Cryptic were really trying to run the market, they wouln't have nerfed prices with a sale on Zen.

    As I stand right now, I've made a 8.5% profit and still riding the wave. Just wish I'd bought more/saved more Zen from that sale...
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Aside from the 50k blip from the Mirror event - no one has mentioned the other major factor :

    people not buying lots of Zen with real cash and putting it on the market to exchange for dilithium.

    Right now there are not a lot of new dilithium sinks - most of the major fleets are done so there is not a big push for people to buy zen and put it on the market for dilithium.
    The fact that the increase is coinciding with the end of the MI Event is far more prevalent then any theories about people not willing to buy Dilthium any longer. This is not the first time we have seen this happen after a big Dilithium award Event.

    Over the last 6 months Exchange rates have stayed fairly even and no one has had any issues selling Dilithium. I know I routinely sell around 5,000 Zen worth every month without problem.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I have seriously been thinking I could sell my 73,000 Zen for Dilithium when it gets to 160 and then hold on to it and then buy-back my Zen when it drops back to 130s.

    73,000 x 160 = 11,680,000

    11,680,000 / 130 = 8,984 Zen.

    1,500 Zen bump for doing nothing. :)

    There's usually a 2-4 shift during the day - folks profit from Dil/Zen trading in that manner. The shift used to be larger and folks made more; but there's still a little profit to be made - more profit the more you have to move.

    And er...I keep seeing folks say 50k Dil. Each of my guys only got 30k Dil, are folks including 20k Dil from continuing to run the 2k Dil for ~10 days? Cause to be honest, I just ran Empire Defense for the 1440 after completing the initial project as there was no way I was going anywhere near those AFKers and the frustration involved with the Mirror Event after that.

    Nope, apparently it was supposed to reward 50k. http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3037583-mirror-invasion-event-is-live_

    My guys only got 30k...curious. I wonder who I ticked off at Cryptic...
  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the reward for 14 transdimensional thingies included 50,000 dilithium
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TREQGl54BU8&feature=endscreen
    I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.:confused:
  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I have seriously been thinking I could sell my 73,000 Zen for Dilithium when it gets to 160 and then hold on to it and then buy-back my Zen when it drops back to 130s.

    73,000 x 160 = 11,680,000

    11,680,000 / 130 = 8,984 Zen.

    1,500 Zen bump for doing nothing. :)

    To what end? What can you buy with 74500 zen that you can't buy with 73000?

    Sounds to me you've bought out the game.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL, 140 is 'INSANE'? I'd love to know what you'd call it when it was in the 200 and 300's. 140 may not be its lowest but its still in a very good state for people who want to trade for zen and it will drop again. is it so horrible that the people who want it high get some time in the sun?

    The conversion rate is a 2 ways street. Some people want it to go up and some want it to go down. I mostly sink my dilithium into starbase construction for my fleet. I want it to go up, some just want to buy stuff from the store so they want it to go down.

    I've heard complaints whenever it moves (in either direction) that PWE manipulate the market. if you believe PWE are manipulating it then its just confirmation bias as the market just happens to move in the direction that does not suit you. they stop making accusations when it starts moving in the direction they want.

    events, promo's, new or lack of c-store ships, current populations, fleet starbase construction levels all add up to what is a player controlled economy. it will fall down again by another 10-20 points at some point.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    sonnikku wrote: »
    To what end? What can you buy with 74500 zen that you can't buy with 73000?

    Sounds to me you've bought out the game.
    There's nothing I can really buy, but it is something to do with all the Zen. It feels stupid to just have it sitting there growing larger every month and never doing anything interesting with it.

    Maybe I will just go nuts and on the next Key sale I will buy 730 Keys and see how many ships I can get. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited April 2014
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Currently it's now at 140 Dil per Zen and climbing by 1-2 more each day.

    I know we had a recent event, but that's still no excuse for the cost skyrocketing so outrageously. It's like PE is deliberately gaming the market (please don't hand me any garbage about the Dil market being player-driven. It's all being done by the company. No one just so happens to have 200000 Zen to plunk down to get converted to Dil) to force the Dil Farmers out of the game (literally) so that they can give most player no choice but to open their wallets and spend real money for Z.


    I miss the days of 300 to 1. The largest I remember was 340. That as a time when I would not hesitate to drop in some coin for dil to try something new.

    Keys were selling for 800-900K, but the drop box content was meh.

    Then came the Freighter, the galor and the jem bug.

    The market evolves, and will likely continue to evolve.

    Relax. It's not 'real' money ;)
  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I've heard rumors that there's a cartel of players using the opportunity presented by recent player dissatisfaction to strike at the EC Exchange (and thus affect the Dil Exchange) to further increase player dissatisfaction in an attempt to kill the game. I've heard it's a direct result of Cryptic not implementing cropped jackets and skants for male toons...
    There is no Shadow Council acting from the shadows and secretly inflating the cost of everything. Nor would I be a member of said Shadow Council even if it existed. Which it doesn't. And even if it did, and even if I were, there would be nothing you or anyone could do to stop our overarching plot that definitely isn't happening to bring the game crashing down all around you like we wouldn't.

    :eek:
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the reward for 14 transdimensional thingies included 50,000 dilithium

    The total was at least 3 weeks. 14 days is 50k reward + 21X (480 or 960 run reward) + 2kX7 per day for the 1 module turn in.

    total for an elite player doing it once a day then, would be about 90k per character. Personally, I did it on normal over 6 characters, and a few elites but quickly decided most of my characters needed to stay in normal unless supported in a fleet team.

    So I earned about 1/2 a million. Its gone now, I got valdore & vandal console ships + a couple of items, and gave at least 1 character's worth to the fleet projects.
  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    There's nothing I can really buy, but it is something to do with all the Zen. It feels stupid to just have it sitting there growing larger every month and never doing anything interesting with it.

    Maybe I will just go nuts and on the next Key sale I will buy 730 Keys and see how many ships I can get. :)

    Maybe you will just go nuts on the next key sale and buy 730 keys for your dear friend Sonnikku because you're a classy guy like that. :(
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some tips for participating in this thread:

    1- Remember that it's very possible to enjoy this game without getting caught up in the Dil exchange.
    2- Remember that it's very possible to enjoy this game BY getting caught up in the Dil exchange.
    3- Do not be afraid of the fluctuations in the market.
    4- The market fluctuates a lot less than you know that real life stuff with real life money.
    5- COSMIC is on a whole OTHER level when it comes to Dilithium. The amount of time he's put into that aspect of the game dwarfs the amount of time I put in to doing B'Tran exploration missions. (And if you knew how many of those I've done in my time in this game, you'd understand, this is a HUGE number).
    6- So you know, listen to what he says about it; he's been trading that stuff and refining that stuff since the very start of that currency; but stay chill. It's just one way for people to enjoy this game.

    Those tips will help you remain calm before jumping headfirst into a thread that delves into market trends in a video game.

    Oh and have fun!
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  • odstparker#7820 odstparker Member Posts: 466 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Man, you must be new here, because I've seen times when the price was up to 250 per ZEN.

    While I do wish that there would just be a normal standard of 25 Dilithium per ZEN, which is the default that comes up every time you open the interface, I understand that having it be entirely player controlled means that it's going to change drastically sometimes.
  • gogereavergogereaver Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    yep just wait the prices will fall back to normal. hey always do. but yea back in the days when you could easly grind karat for then it was up in the 250 range.
  • adorenkoadorenko Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Guess I should sell my 100 zen just sitting there doing nothing.
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