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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
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    Why shouldn't they? If everyone aboard the bus is going to the same destination (or along the same route) what's the problem with it? Oh, that's right, lack of personal status symbol... I have to make an hour's bus ride to my studio, then an hour's bus ride home again. I'd much rather sit on a bus reading or listening to music or closing my eyes for a bit, than having to concentrate on driving...

    And what if you're claustrophobic? Too bad?
    Sounds ideal :cool: Definitely an ideal situation for people in receipt of housing benefits... Why should Joe Schmoe work his TRIBBLE off to get a nice two up two down with a white picket fence, when Johnny Welfare gets given the place next door for sitting on his TRIBBLE all day? :confused: Hell no... Put them in a funded block filled with individual capsules (like capsule hotels) Afterall, they're not paying for it, why should they have more than their basic requirements of somewhere to sleep, before being sent out to a job somewhere? They've got a family? Not anymore... Single occupancy only, and those kids're getting adopted out... Prospective adoptive parents who're on welfare would be declined as not suitable, so that should apply to biological parents as well... People on welfare can't even organise their own lives, they have no business being parents and forcing their poverty-manifesting lifestyle on another generation...

    Or, alternatively, give every family a 2-story home, managed by the local councils. I'm, of course, referring to council houses. Fair, practical, and leaves human comforts intact.
    There are enough uninsured incapable drivers (and just outright a**holes) on the roads... You want them in the air too? DEATH FROM ABOVE!!!!!!

    But, but... HOVERCARS! :P

    Come on, we have computers which can practically land planes on their own, just stick it in hovercars and we won't have any problems! ;)
    That wasn't what worffan said... Private ownership of things which negatively impact on society, and used the example of members of a financial elite having private jets, which are superfluous possessions.

    I do agree on this, but it leads to the question; if you worked for something, don't you deserve to have it?

    Of course, that's the key point of private ownership; if you worked for something, you can have it. Again, that's fair. It awards hard labour.

    Communism doesn't do that; if you work hard, tough, the state gets all your money and you have to stay in a cramped, disease-ridden, have-collapsing tenement, with barely enough food to survive.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well, that's the first thing you've said right.
    It's A thing I've said right. But whatever.
    So everyone should ride buses as well? All private vehicles must be banned in the new socialist order because one guy with money has something that another guy doesn't have.

    In fact, ban all private property, move everyone into those communal tenement buildings I mentioned earlier. No one has a need for a private house as it just wastes space. Stack 'n pack, Comrade.
    Sure. Good idea!

    We can stack our 7 billion humans MUCH more efficiently. As it is, we're starting to edge out nature in most areas, which is not good at ALL.
    Not even if it was converted to hemp bio-diesel? ****.
    Even then it's still a massive noise producer and waste of space.
    So no flying cars then either?
    Nope.
    Enjoy your claustrophobic room at the tenement, Comrade. You just eliminated a lot of human pleasures and delights.

    Even though I'm confused on how private ownership of something impacts society negatively.
    It's not private ownership in general, it's private ownership of something large, ostentatious, and obnoxiously loud and polluting.
    Because the terrorists are just bogeymen that're used to keep us fearful and under control.

    No, they're real...it's the measures that the idiotic government takes against them that suck.

    Again, CLEVER terrorists could probably cripple the US in...two days? With maybe six months of planning.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Regarding Ba'al..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCUjooDOxk

    Hail Davros! Long live the Dalek Empire!

    Yeah, well, "Stargate: Continuum" is highly biased.

    Sovereign Ba'al sent one of his CLONES into that alternate timeline. He learned quite a lot.

    In this timeline, he shot Qetesh on the day they first met, executed all the other System Lords, made Besties with the Doctor and helped him annihilate the Daleks once and for all, and got himself a very nice ornate copy of the Evil Overlord List, which he reads every morning and recites aloud once a week.

    Hail Ba'al!
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    worffan101 wrote: »
    Hail Ba'al!
    pffffft...ba'al is so 2008

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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
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    ryan218 wrote: »
    And what if you're claustrophobic? Too bad?
    Responsible government would have accommodations in public transportation like sleeper cars and semi-private booths.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Or, alternatively, give every family a 2-story home, managed by the local councils. I'm, of course, referring to council houses. Fair, practical, and leaves human comforts intact.
    Just stack those 2-story homes into a giant apartment building. Much more efficient use of space.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    But, but... HOVERCARS! :P

    Come on, we have computers which can practically land planes on their own, just stick it in hovercars and we won't have any problems! ;)
    Not quite...and hovercars are even more stupidly wasteful than Jetpacks.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    I do agree on this, but it leads to the question; if you worked for something, don't you deserve to have it?
    Not if it negatively impacts the rest of society.

    You want to smoke? Do it in private or not at all. You want to play rock music at 350 decibels? Do it in a soundproof room or not at all.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Of course, that's the key point of private ownership; if you worked for something, you can have it. Again, that's fair. It awards hard labour.

    Communism doesn't do that; if you work hard, tough, the state gets all your money and you have to stay in a cramped, disease-ridden, have-collapsing tenement, with barely enough food to survive.

    This is why you need layers of corruption busting.

    One of the central problems with the Soviet regime, besides its leaders' complete incompetence at economic planning, was the massive amount of corruption. Literally everyone was embezzling something along the production lines.

    Which is why you need a dedicated official and citizen-based corruption watchdog. An official body to do raids and check accounts for discrepancies, and a citizen's body to bring possible corrupt officials to the government's attention.

    Screening for high-level positions is also important. Look at Congress today; do ANY of those goobers really deserve to be in our legislative branch? Heck, the House Science Committee, which decides what goes into our school science textbooks, has a creationist, two global warming deniers, and Todd Akin the magic ****** guy on it.

    This is a bad thing.

    So yeah. Uncontrolled private ownership inevitably leads to corruption and lucky rich people TRIBBLE over unlucky poor people.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
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    worffan101 wrote: »
    Not if it negatively impacts the rest of society.

    Notepad.exe
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Worffan, I think your my favorite person on the Forum and hot like hell

    :mad::mad::mad:
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
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    worffan101 wrote: »
    Responsible government would have accommodations in public transportation like sleeper cars and semi-private booths.

    In a bus? Yeah, that's just a waste of money and increases the emissions generated by public transport when the only thing public transport has going for it is that it's more economical and ecological.
    worffan101 wrote: »
    Just stack those 2-story homes into a giant apartment building. Much more efficient use of space.

    I can't think of a single apartment building that is council-owned. Apartment buildings are typically owned by private landlords, and cost more than a council property in the long run.
    worffan101 wrote: »
    Not quite...and hovercars are even more stupidly wasteful than Jetpacks.

    But HOVERCARS! :P
    worffan101 wrote: »
    Not if it negatively impacts the rest of society.

    You want to smoke? Do it in private or not at all. You want to play rock music at 350 decibels? Do it in a soundproof room or not at all.

    So privacy and individuality have no place in a fair society?
    worffan101 wrote: »
    This is why you need layers of corruption busting.

    One of the central problems with the Soviet regime, besides its leaders' complete incompetence at economic planning, was the massive amount of corruption. Literally everyone was embezzling something along the production lines.

    Which is why you need a dedicated official and citizen-based corruption watchdog. An official body to do raids and check accounts for discrepancies, and a citizen's body to bring possible corrupt officials to the government's attention.

    Screening for high-level positions is also important. Look at Congress today; do ANY of those goobers really deserve to be in our legislative branch? Heck, the House Science Committee, which decides what goes into our school science textbooks, has a creationist, two global warming deniers, and Todd Akin the magic ****** guy on it.

    This is a bad thing.

    So yeah. Uncontrolled private ownership inevitably leads to corruption and lucky rich people TRIBBLE over unlucky poor people.

    Agreed, but you're never going to remove corruption without limiting liberty, such as in a constitutional monarchy. In Britain, the monarch has the ability to remove the PM if they're not performing adequately. It's rare that power is exercised, but a more precedented example is that the monarch can actually dictate terms to the government. In WWII, King George VI forced a coalition government - the result: excellent ministers from all 3 major parties (Labour, Conservative and Liberal). It's a system I personally find effective. And, the fact that both the Parliament and the Monarchy have the power to cancel each other out limits the potential for corruption.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    :mad::mad::mad:

    Don't fight over little old me, now...
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
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    ryan218 wrote: »
    In a bus? Yeah, that's just a waste of money and increases the emissions generated by public transport when the only thing public transport has going for it is that it's more economical and ecological.
    Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    I can't think of a single apartment building that is council-owned. Apartment buildings are typically owned by private landlords, and cost more than a council property in the long run.
    No, government-owned tenements. With government-guaranteed quality. If someone can prove before a court that the administration is not keeping the quality up? Then the administration either shapes up or goes bye-bye.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    But HOVERCARS! :P
    Superfluous waste, especially with current tech.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    So privacy and individuality have no place in a fair society?
    Actually, this measure is combined privacy and H&S.

    If you want to be individual in a way that is disruptive to society, do it in private. Nobody needs to inflict bad rock music on everyone else at 350 decibels.
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Agreed, but you're never going to remove corruption without limiting liberty, such as in a constitutional monarchy. In Britain, the monarch has the ability to remove the PM if they're not performing adequately. It's rare that power is exercised, but a more precedented example is that the monarch can actually dictate terms to the government. In WWII, King George VI forced a coalition government - the result: excellent ministers from all 3 major parties (Labour, Conservative and Liberal). It's a system I personally find effective. And, the fact that both the Parliament and the Monarchy have the power to cancel each other out limits the potential for corruption.

    The best thing about our government is the separation of powers.

    Given human nature, perfect liberty and equality cannot be maintained for all. I simply believe that equality is slightly more important.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
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    ryan218 wrote: »
    And what if you're claustrophobic? Too bad?
    Someone too claustrophobic to travel on a bus, is likely to find a car even more uncomfortable... ;)

    ryan218 wrote: »
    Or, alternatively, give every family a 2-story home, managed by the local councils. I'm, of course, referring to council houses. Fair, practical, and leaves human comforts intact.
    So rather than private ownership, people get a state-supported property? Welcome to communism, Comrade ;)

    I'd rather stick with my plan of keeping the benefit monkeys in capsule accommodations while they do state-sourced jobs (like back before the war, where the labour exchanges would actually get people employment, rather than just giving them handouts) as that would be an incentive to save to move into their own place and end their reliance on benefits :cool:
    ryan218 wrote: »

    But, but... HOVERCARS! :-P

    Come on, we have computers which can practically land planes on their own, just stick it in hovercars and we won't have any problems! ;-)
    And how long before the fly boys learn to disable the autopilot? We're not going to be seeing regimented air traffic like on Coruscant, but something like a New Delhi roundabout half a mile up... Especially from the Audi pilots ;-) Way too dangerous at the moment...
    ryan218 wrote: »
    I do agree on this, but it leads to the question; if you worked for something, don't you deserve to have it?
    Not when it's environmentally damaging...
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Of course, that's the key point of private ownership; if you worked for something, you can have it. Again, that's fair. It awards hard labour.

    Communism doesn't do that; if you work hard, tough, the state gets all your money and you have to stay in a cramped, disease-ridden, have-collapsing tenement, with barely enough food to survive.
    Actually, communism does do that... Or at least, it could do, if implemented properly... Say Comrade Smith works an eight hour shift in the local factory... He gets a meal provided him mid-shift. He goes home to his State provided dwelling, which has all the rates and utilities provided by the State, meaning his entire wages are disposable income, which he uses to buy assorted stuff, thus keeping the economy moving... Simples :cool:
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
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    tannis01 wrote: »
    (A) KM probably had no control over the bias and (stupid) opinions of the program, she's most likely just a paid worker dong her job on this project.

    (B) I dont know why you Americans are getting so wound up about Obamacare (and your gonna have to change that name or after the next election you're going to find your self stuck with a permanent reminder on the man.) Here in the UK we have this system called the NHS, we each pay about $3 a week, which is taken straight out of our wage / welfare and it's an amazing system. We barely have a worry when it comes to our Healthcare. See it works like this, if everybody puts in just a little, that creates a freaking huge fund that can be used to bully the multinationals into doing what is right rather than what is profitable. You can also use that money to set up a National system that can be used to train more medical workers to the highest standards free of the restraints of Corporate policy. It's called working as a team and winning, the US should try it sometime rather than ******** about 'socialism.'

    I love that idea however over here in the U.S we have these rich old white guys (I'm not being racist since I'm white too) that don't like to pay their taxes no matter what, even though the amount they have to pay is only a fraction of the tons of money they have. We even lowered their taxes once or twice and they still complained. Oh then their is Rush Limbaugh who is a far right winger who has a radio show, he really gets them stirred up. Just about everything out of that guy's mouth is a lie and the worst part is all the dumb rednecks actually start to believe him and worship him like an idol.

    Paying three dollars a week sounds like a good idea but do you really think all the old white folks are going to welcome it with open arms when they don't even want to pay their taxes to help fund the firefighters, police, roads, teachers instead of cutting their pay, etc. And yes, I do realize some of the tax money gets wasted, but it does help all the people I mentioned earlier. People are just not smart enough to realize that all of the things taxes pay for, they themselves use everyday.
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    :mad::mad::mad:

    Dude, seriously, you edited my post to make me look like I'm stalking him.

    He is my favorite person on the forum because of his political sanity, not because I think he is "hot like hell".
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
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    ryan218 wrote: »



    Agreed, but you're never going to remove corruption without limiting liberty, such as in a constitutional monarchy. In Britain, the monarch has the ability to remove the PM if they're not performing adequately. It's rare that power is exercised, but a more precedented example is that the monarch can actually dictate terms to the government. In WWII, King George VI forced a coalition government - the result: excellent ministers from all 3 major parties (Labour, Conservative and Liberal). It's a system I personally find effective. And, the fact that both the Parliament and the Monarchy have the power to cancel each other out limits the potential for corruption.

    A monarchy is what we are sometimes getting in the U.S..Rich people such as the K brothers have so much money that they are using it to affect how things are run in the government and fund all of the crackpots. Plus they never really worked hard. They had a business going but then their daddy gave them all of his inheritance.

    Plus they are some of the biggest climate change deniers out there. They hired some climate change denying scientists to write a paper on how Co2 is actually good for the planet, at the same time the K brothers own oil companies......go figure..... . This paper was written by the same people who were working for the tobacco industry who wrote papers on how smoking is good for you.
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
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    worffan101 wrote: »

    Screening for high-level positions is also important. Look at Congress today; do ANY of those goobers really deserve to be in our legislative branch? Heck, the House Science Committee, which decides what goes into our school science textbooks, has a creationist, two global warming deniers, and Todd Akin the magic ****** guy on it.

    This is a bad thing.

    So does that mean humans didn't evolve from apes? I suppose it also means global warming is a prank too...:rolleyes:
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    and where does the state get the finance to do this from?

    International trade, taxation on purchases (in the UK we have VAT which every one pays on almost every purchase they make... That's right, we get taxed twice on our money... First when we earn it, and again when we spend it...)

    skollulfr wrote: »
    all you have done is create a property oligopoly in which businesses provide basic gruel to its workers.
    Not all businesses in the UK even provide a meal for their workers, so for some, a bowl of gruel would actually be a step up in terms of workforce care...
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So does that mean humans didn't evolve from apes? I suppose it also means global warming is a prank too...:rolleyes:

    Humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas.

    For some reason the anti-evolution crowd is so darn focused on apes. They overlook the fact that scientists basically think humans are really HALFNANAS!

    Which is what I call us. The Halfnanas and the Halfnana species.

    Halfnanas yo!
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Wow, this is still almost civil.
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Halfnanas yo!

    Bred to be the universe's greatest baby sitters.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
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    Humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas.

    Yeah, but with a 0.1% average difference in DNA amongst humans (taking into consideration all the diversity), sharing 50% with bananas isn't saying much outside of all life on the planet is connected...cause what, it's 24% with grapes - 47% with fruit flies - 65% with chickens. Heck, we're more closely related to the platypus than chickens or bananas.

    Though, in reading some of the replies in this thread - I can see where one might lead to calling our species halfnanas. ;)
    International trade, taxation on purchases (in the UK we have VAT which every one pays on almost every purchase they make... That's right, we get taxed twice on our money... First when we earn it, and again when we spend it...)

    How about this on for multiple taxation, eh?

    Federal Income Tax
    State Income Tax
    County Income Tax
    City Income Tax

    City Sales Tax
    County Sales Tax
    State Sales Tax

    For something manufactured - you've not only got the various sales tax involved for the components and equipment, you can toss in property tax for the location, tax one the lease, payroll tax for employees, etc, etc, etc. Shipping it? Don't forget the stacked taxes on the fuel.

    Taxes ooze through our very existence in almost everything that we do...multiple times. And often, those taxes end up stacked - where you're paying taxes on taxes that were paid on taxes that were paid on taxes.

    Yet, we're still left with the following...

    The US's public debt is ~77% of the GDP. External debt is ~99.7% of the GDP.
    Over there in the UK, public debt is ~91.9% of the GDP and external debt is over 450% of the GDP.

    Government has everything riddled with taxes out the wahzoo - and yet - governments are all broke...international governments trading debt as if it were currency. It's funny, taking a look at how Country X might own part of Country Y's debt - yet there's Country Z owning part of Country X's debt. With all the interest on that debt, yeah - the world ran out of money long ago...it's trading debt.
    patrickngo wrote: »
    People neither like to, nor want to take the hit for their bad decisions, negligence, or laziness. So government gets bigger and that's on both sides of the Aisle.

    It's difficult at times, not to joke about the difference between liberals and conservatives being in the timeframe and not the end goal.

    Both want to destroy us all! Liberals want it done yesterday and conservatives are fine with it being next Tuesday.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
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    artan42 wrote: »
    Wow, this is still almost civil.

    I know, right? It's great.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So does that mean humans didn't evolve from apes? I suppose it also means global warming is a prank too...:rolleyes:

    Global Warming is a misnomer. The average global temperature might be warmer and the ice caps might melt causing vast devastation to the coasts, but winters won't get warmer. Global Warming will just cause more extremes in the weather so Heat Waves in the winter in Siberia and Blizzards in the Summer in the Sahara Desert or other crazy weather. After all, changing things in a chaotic system like Weather will cause the weather to go chaotic until it finally reaches some new equilibrium.
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