So it is immoral to show a little skin, but not immoral to slaughter thousands of enemies? This is a problem with America. We can have hundreds of people killed in a TV show, but 10 seconds of showing some skin is not allowed.
I think the simplest and fairest compromise for keeping things THEMELY (ignoring the moral back and forth) would be to allow the new Risian tops everywhere as an off duty clothing option but not the bottoms.
And I think having some kind of way for BOffs to gain offduty options would be nice. Though from a design standpoint, I'd prefer that as part of an upgrade process along with trait customization and skill training replaced with kits for BOffs, rather than simply giving all BOffs offduty uniforms.
Like, for example, mini-reps for each BOff you have. And at the end, you choose between some profession or personality based Odyssey uniform variants (rolled up sleeves, labcoat, vest, etc.) or switching them to off duty uniforms.
So it would be this mini-rep for each BOff and at the end, you hold a hearing where you commend them or court martial them, opening up some unique traits/kit modules for that BOff and some cosmetic variations.
I certainly hope they restrict everything to Risa. They keep the map open year-around. Lots of people went through the farming process for super jetpacks, and I feel it was a fair decision by Cryptic to just keep the Risa map available year-around, without the event running. That way people had the chance to still use their equipment in a place that it was designed to be utilized.
I'd expect the same vein of thought in regards to swimwear. Where would it being utilized be appropriate? Risa. Not ESD. Not Qo'nos. Not NR Command. Could they decide that flagging it for select other locations may be appropriate? Maybe. But I'd expect those locations to match Risa in atmosphere. I don't anticipate being able to walk about Starfleet Academy, Hathon, or Andoria in swimwear.
I just wish they would keep versions of the daily events running with dilithium rewards year round.
I believe it to originate from the Puritanical influence of the first American Settlers from Europe after 1492. Personally, I think the only enemies in STO to kill ethically are the Borg since you are freeing them from slavery. It is not possible to save every Borg since some are missing their torsos and wouldn't survive if they are freed. The rest fall under self-defense, but even that is hard to argue if you are invading their home.
I think the simplest and fairest compromise for keeping things THEMELY (ignoring the moral back and forth) would be to allow the new Risian tops everywhere as an off duty clothing option but not the bottoms.
And I think having some kind of way for BOffs to gain offduty options would be nice. Though from a design standpoint, I'd prefer that as part of an upgrade process along with trait customization and skill training replaced with kits for BOffs, rather than simply giving all BOffs offduty uniforms.
Like, for example, mini-reps for each BOff you have. And at the end, you choose between some profession or personality based Odyssey uniform variants (rolled up sleeves, labcoat, vest, etc.) or switching them to off duty uniforms.
So it would be this mini-rep for each BOff and at the end, you hold a hearing where you commend them or court martial them, opening up some unique traits/kit modules for that BOff and some cosmetic variations.
I say Cryptic should restrict the swimsuits to Risa and similar maps, but lower their price as a result.
I honestly don't want each and every teenage player running around in a bikini in a sci-fi themed game. It's enough most Orions are already wearing next to nothing.
I say Cryptic should restrict the swimsuits to Risa and similar maps, but lower their price as a result.
I honestly don't want each and every teenage player running around in a bikini in a sci-fi themed game. It's enough most Orions are already wearing next to nothing.
If this were true, there would be a lot more KDF fleets. :rolleyes:
So it is immoral to show a little skin, but not immoral to slaughter thousands of enemies? This is a problem with America. We can have hundreds of people killed in a TV show, but 10 seconds of showing some skin is not allowed.
Absolutely correct. People who are anti-nudity in today's society are nothing more than backward barbarians to me.
Think about this double standard.. It's ok for a man to run around without a shirt, but a woman? OMG Call the cops! /facepalm
Sexist much?
The truth of the matter is women find a shapely fit male chest as appealing as a man finds a shapely womans chest. Maybe even more so...
That's really funny, because we are not debating about sex shown on the game or not, or if sex is something that would be better shown than mass scale murder, but about straight male using half naked character in a videogame. Some of them involved in really awkward rp.
In fact, I talked with my friends a while back about SWTOR, where you can't see any sex scene (not even pretty hidden or whatever, it just fade to black), but you can actively choose to torture people (and it's seen, guy scream and all), and how it is dumb.
There is a huge difference (strawman argument and all that). Sex is (usually) healthy. The guy in front of his computer using a female avatar for simulated sex, or just to have a pair of TRIBBLE on screen ? Not so much.
I know the gamers community is full of pervert, and sexually frustrated people (not saying everyone is), but I like it when it's hidden, and I can ignore this fact. And when I don't have half naked women running all over the place.
BTW, you have internet at your fingertips, you can always type the most typed word in google, and you'll have enough TRIBBLE. Don't need to play STO for that.
That's really funny, because we are not debating about sex shown on the game or not, or if sex is something that would be better shown than mass scale murder, but about straight male using half naked character in a videogame. Some of them involved in really awkward rp.
In fact, I talked with my friends a while back about SWTOR, where you can't see any sex scene (not even pretty hidden or whatever, it just fade to black), but you can actively choose to torture people (and it's seen, guy scream and all), and how it is dumb.
There is a huge difference (strawman argument and all that). Sex is (usually) healthy. The guy in front of his computer using a female avatar for simulated sex, or just to have a pair of TRIBBLE on screen ? Not so much.
I know the gamers community is full of pervert, and sexually frustrated people (not saying everyone is), but I like it when it's hidden, and I can ignore this fact. And when I don't have half naked women running all over the place.
BTW, you have internet at your fingertips, you can always type the most typed word in google, and you'll have enough TRIBBLE. Don't need to play STO for that.
Joke right ? You surely never come to Qo'nos or the Klingon Academy. Because everytime I log in, I see at least one of them.
Firstly, the fact that sex is hidden while torture, death, murder, genocide, etc is ok is just dumb. I'll agree with you there.
That however is where the agreement ends. If a guy is in front of the computer using a female avatar for well.. any reason he wants is just fine. Scantily clad or not. Simulated sex or not. Just like a woman running around in a male avatar is just fine. Scantily clad or not. Simulated sex or not.
What is not fine is anyone who feels the need to continue perpetuating the backward religious idea that the human body must be hidden or it is obscene. That people must always adhere to their born gender regardless of psychological influences. Or continuing to push this idea that a topless man is ok but a topless female is not ok. Aka, sexism. What is the definition of sexism? Inequality between the sexes.
I'm perfectly aware of how easy TRIBBLE is to find online, that however does not give you the freedom to push your moral comfort zone on others. The Spanish Missionaries did this to the many tribes they encountered all through out the world. What happened when they put clothing on these people for the first time? They became curious, lifting each others clothes up to peek at what was underneath, the first recorded TRIBBLE occurred.. all why trying to "civilize" them and save them for god... what a failure that was.
This is a game about fantasy and while I do not engage in eRP I have no problem with others who do. You live out your fantasy blowing **** up with no danger. They can live out their fantasy of doinking every type of alien in the universe without having to worry about getting pregnant, becoming pregnant (see Trip from Enterprise), catching space crabs, aka living out their fantasy with no danger. There's no reason both should not exist.
I'd even go so far as to point out the glaring double standard you have to insinuate that because "you" do not like being reminded of something that all others should be penalized to meet your idea of what is acceptable or healthy. If enough people thought that killing anything in a video game is "unacceptable & unhealthy" games like this would be utterly banned. Believe me it's a slippery slope you are treading on with such glaring double standards. I'd advise against them.
Let's face it. We humanize aliens. We assume that because humans have this idea of sexuality being a sin and nudity being inappropriate that all alien species would feel the same. The fact of the matter is, if you were truly a captain of a starship meeting new life and new civilizations I would wager you would be in for quite a shock as many may not only disregard clothing entirely, but much like various species through out all of the Star Trek mythos be highly sexually charged and uninhibited by your moral code of standards. Quite frankly sir I don't think you'd last 2 days in a real sci-fi world like Star Trek without having a coronary.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I feel I must mention that one of the reasons I want to be able to use swimsuits everywhere, is to combine the One-Piece with stockings and make a rad Leotard.
I always wear my Vice Admiral jacket, and if I go to Risa, or somewhere that will look odd being in uniform, I wear a black off duty shirt, and blue long pants.
I only do Horga'hn hunt for Favors, and not to buy cloths, but because it means more EC for me. People will pay up to 3 million for 100 Favors. I like that cryptic isn't allowing them outside ESD, because that means the intelligent, who don't waste time on one time deals, won't pay drag down the demand for Favors.
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Sexual Intercourse is a natural experience that the average person will engage in during their life. Murder is illegal and something the vast majority of people will never commit. So why is it socially acceptable to play a game to where people are getting killed, but frowned upon to display any sort of sexual content?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
And I think having some kind of way for BOffs to gain offduty options would be nice. Though from a design standpoint, I'd prefer that as part of an upgrade process along with trait customization and skill training replaced with kits for BOffs, rather than simply giving all BOffs offduty uniforms.
Like, for example, mini-reps for each BOff you have. And at the end, you choose between some profession or personality based Odyssey uniform variants (rolled up sleeves, labcoat, vest, etc.) or switching them to off duty uniforms.
So it would be this mini-rep for each BOff and at the end, you hold a hearing where you commend them or court martial them, opening up some unique traits/kit modules for that BOff and some cosmetic variations.
I just wish they would keep versions of the daily events running with dilithium rewards year round.
I believe it to originate from the Puritanical influence of the first American Settlers from Europe after 1492. Personally, I think the only enemies in STO to kill ethically are the Borg since you are freeing them from slavery. It is not possible to save every Borg since some are missing their torsos and wouldn't survive if they are freed. The rest fall under self-defense, but even that is hard to argue if you are invading their home.
William Theiss is rolling in his grave.
This is a great source of energy.
I honestly don't want each and every teenage player running around in a bikini in a sci-fi themed game. It's enough most Orions are already wearing next to nothing.
If this were true, there would be a lot more KDF fleets. :rolleyes:
Absolutely correct. People who are anti-nudity in today's society are nothing more than backward barbarians to me.
Think about this double standard.. It's ok for a man to run around without a shirt, but a woman? OMG Call the cops! /facepalm
Sexist much?
The truth of the matter is women find a shapely fit male chest as appealing as a man finds a shapely womans chest. Maybe even more so...
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Campaign: The Battle of Neverwinter - NWS-DOQXFA4ZD
Prologue: A not so simple plan - NW-DCJG75B9D
In fact, I talked with my friends a while back about SWTOR, where you can't see any sex scene (not even pretty hidden or whatever, it just fade to black), but you can actively choose to torture people (and it's seen, guy scream and all), and how it is dumb.
There is a huge difference (strawman argument and all that). Sex is (usually) healthy. The guy in front of his computer using a female avatar for simulated sex, or just to have a pair of TRIBBLE on screen ? Not so much.
I know the gamers community is full of pervert, and sexually frustrated people (not saying everyone is), but I like it when it's hidden, and I can ignore this fact. And when I don't have half naked women running all over the place.
BTW, you have internet at your fingertips, you can always type the most typed word in google, and you'll have enough TRIBBLE. Don't need to play STO for that.
Joke right ? You surely never come to Qo'nos or the Klingon Academy. Because everytime I log in, I see at least one of them.
So "one" constitutes a majority? :rolleyes:
The amount of orions i see properly dressed in a day are proportionately much higher than those who run around in a bare minimum bikini.
Firstly, the fact that sex is hidden while torture, death, murder, genocide, etc is ok is just dumb. I'll agree with you there.
That however is where the agreement ends. If a guy is in front of the computer using a female avatar for well.. any reason he wants is just fine. Scantily clad or not. Simulated sex or not. Just like a woman running around in a male avatar is just fine. Scantily clad or not. Simulated sex or not.
What is not fine is anyone who feels the need to continue perpetuating the backward religious idea that the human body must be hidden or it is obscene. That people must always adhere to their born gender regardless of psychological influences. Or continuing to push this idea that a topless man is ok but a topless female is not ok. Aka, sexism. What is the definition of sexism? Inequality between the sexes.
I'm perfectly aware of how easy TRIBBLE is to find online, that however does not give you the freedom to push your moral comfort zone on others. The Spanish Missionaries did this to the many tribes they encountered all through out the world. What happened when they put clothing on these people for the first time? They became curious, lifting each others clothes up to peek at what was underneath, the first recorded TRIBBLE occurred.. all why trying to "civilize" them and save them for god... what a failure that was.
This is a game about fantasy and while I do not engage in eRP I have no problem with others who do. You live out your fantasy blowing **** up with no danger. They can live out their fantasy of doinking every type of alien in the universe without having to worry about getting pregnant, becoming pregnant (see Trip from Enterprise), catching space crabs, aka living out their fantasy with no danger. There's no reason both should not exist.
I'd even go so far as to point out the glaring double standard you have to insinuate that because "you" do not like being reminded of something that all others should be penalized to meet your idea of what is acceptable or healthy. If enough people thought that killing anything in a video game is "unacceptable & unhealthy" games like this would be utterly banned. Believe me it's a slippery slope you are treading on with such glaring double standards. I'd advise against them.
Let's face it. We humanize aliens. We assume that because humans have this idea of sexuality being a sin and nudity being inappropriate that all alien species would feel the same. The fact of the matter is, if you were truly a captain of a starship meeting new life and new civilizations I would wager you would be in for quite a shock as many may not only disregard clothing entirely, but much like various species through out all of the Star Trek mythos be highly sexually charged and uninhibited by your moral code of standards. Quite frankly sir I don't think you'd last 2 days in a real sci-fi world like Star Trek without having a coronary.
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Campaign: The Battle of Neverwinter - NWS-DOQXFA4ZD
Prologue: A not so simple plan - NW-DCJG75B9D
Behold! My Orion and her crew?
Seriously though. Even the Orions in bikini tops are often wearing legitimate pants. Wearing the same costume all the time is boring.
Cryptic don't forget the Speedos please.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Why cant it be used on the starbase or on the foundry?
Like a beauty pagant on the base, or a beach-themed foundry map. That way insecure people would not be offended.
This seems like the best solution that would please both sides of the argument (I hope) -- although, it'd have to exclude Risa, of course.
Speedos everywhere or go home.
I only do Horga'hn hunt for Favors, and not to buy cloths, but because it means more EC for me. People will pay up to 3 million for 100 Favors. I like that cryptic isn't allowing them outside ESD, because that means the intelligent, who don't waste time on one time deals, won't pay drag down the demand for Favors.