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odstparker#7820 odstparker Member Posts: 466 Arc User
I just finished the First Contact Day Federation mission, where you get to command... the USS Enterprise. Since I already had the Phoenix pet from last year, I only wanted to play through it to see if it had been changed. Lucky for me, it did.

On completion, I was rewarded with a Daily Reward Crate, which gave me the choice of about 1500 Dilithium or... 10 Lobi!

I thought, FINALLY! They are going to start giving us small amounts of Lobi here and there for just playing the game, not only for sinking our money into those damned lockboxes.

Please... PLEASE make this a thing. I'm tired of looking at all these great items, uniforms, ships, weapons, etc. that can only be obtained by those who are in a position to spend a lot of real world money. I have only gotten one thing from the store, because I made sure to run EVERY SINGLE event that gave out Lobi, and I'm not disappointed with my shiny Voth uniform.

However, there is one thing that I am starting to strongly predict will be included in the Lobi Store, which is the Enterprise era MACO combat uniform. It has been seen on Tribble on many occasions, and I have recently found a MACO style Particle Rifle among the other weapons on Tribble's new ESD stores. What other times have we seen a new weapon and uniform added at the same time with a similar theme? That's right... a new lockbox that adds Lobi Store items.

So, in conclusion, I now have a hope beyond all hopes that Cryptic will add new ways to obtain Lobi Crystals, maybe from playing Feature Episodes once per day, like the last event that granted them to everyone. It wouldn't be as many, obviously, but even with one or two per day, per character, many players who couldn't pay for them before would be able to obtain a few of the items in the Store, even after a LONG time for things like ships. It would be worth it, and lockboxes would remain a way to get more quickly.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well they seem to want to make that lobbys C-Store exclusive with some exceptions, so it most likely won't happen.
    Not a smart decision, though.... if they had some kind of daily that offered something like 5 lobbys that wouldnt harm the key sales, it would only get ppl fixed to buy them.

    But thats not the first place where Cryptic shows that... everyone involved.. has failed in basic economics and its certainly not the last.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    First hit is free
  • vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    First hit is free



    lol... awesome
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Making Lobi readily available in game would equate to giving us things for free. PWE simply can't allow that... :rolleyes:
    My Old Blog about things that could and should have been added when I wrote it. Not sure what I want to do with it now. I'll just keep it available now that most of it is outdated.
  • odstparker#7820 odstparker Member Posts: 466 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    Making Lobi readily available in game would equate to giving us things for free. PWE simply can't allow that... :rolleyes:

    That's not necessarily true. They give us all the ability to trade Dilithium, which is "free" in terms of not paying real money for it, for ZEN. Since it hasn't been changed for as long as I can remember, Cryptic has determined that it hasn't broken the game.

    Giving small amounts of Lobi to save up, and buy an item every once in a while, wouldn't have that much of an effect on their lockbox key sales. People who have the money with which to buy them on a regular basis will still buy them to speed up the process, while we who don't have that kind of money will still have a chance to get some of those items.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL, just because you can get Dil for free doesn't mean you're going to get all the sudden alot of options on making Free Lobi.

    Dil is simply another means to drain resources for most. It's also easy to get.

    But Lobi? That's alot different. Lobi however is Cryptic's gate to a number of premium stuff, i.e. Lobi ships, gear, outfits, etc. Yes, you CAN get Lobi free, but it's a more involved process.

    Lobi is one of those more surefire ways for Cryptic to get you to spend real money.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    enoemg wrote: »
    That's not necessarily true. They give us all the ability to trade Dilithium, which is "free" in terms of not paying real money for it, for ZEN. Since it hasn't been changed for as long as I can remember, Cryptic has determined that it hasn't broken the game.

    Giving small amounts of Lobi to save up, and buy an item every once in a while, wouldn't have that much of an effect on their lockbox key sales. People who have the money with which to buy them on a regular basis will still buy them to speed up the process, while we who don't have that kind of money will still have a chance to get some of those items.

    Thats not about "chances to get the stuff anyway".
    Thats not how a company like pwe thinks.

    For lots of people the Lobby stuff is simply not in the game, outside the special events.
    Some people do not buy lockboxes, not (unlike myself) as a matter of principles but because of a lack of interest.

    So with an amount of... as I suggested... 5 a day (per account obviously) everyone would constantly get Lobby and therefor have an eye on the lobby store. Thats when they suddenly start to buy keys to "fill the gaps".

    And seriously, do the math. With 5 lobby a day... as a daily mission how long do you need to get one of the ships?
    Thats 160 days, almost half a year, if they really do it every day. Anybody who really things that drops the key sales simply has no clue how this kind of thing works.
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    LOL, just because you can get Dil for free doesn't mean you're going to get all the sudden a lot of options on making Free Lobi.

    Dil is simply another means to drain resources for most. It's also easy to get.

    Bit Lobi? That's a lot different. Lobi however is Cryptic's gate to a number of premium stuff, i.e. Lobi ships, gear, outfits, etc. Yes, you CAN get Lobi free, but it's a more involved process.

    Lobi is one of those more surefire ways for Cryptic to get you to spend real money.

    ^This is pretty much it ... You CAN get Lobi without spending real world money, Cryptic steadfastly keep the option in game i.e. Dilithium -> Zen --> Keys -> Lockboxes ... All free, so they cannot get tagged with the "'P2W" label by the industry ... But as it currently takes around 17000 Dil for enough Z to buy 1 key or around 2000000 EC on the exchange, it's much easier (read: convenient, quick, less effort) for many to just open their wallets ...

    Cryptic knows this, so I cant see them changing it any time soon ... Though they may "dangle a carrot" in front of players every once in a while, by having "special events" that drop Lobi, this serves a double purpose = It keeps Lobi items in circulation, and it generates interest in Lobi purchases = "Short just 10 Lobi for that ship/armor/item?" Just open 2 or 3 Lockboxes. "Short 30 Lobi for that ship/armor/item?" Just open 5 or 6 Lockboxes ... etc.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bendalek wrote: »
    Though they may "dangle a carrot" in front of players every once in a while, by having "special events" that drop Lobi, this serves a double purpose = It keeps Lobi items in circulation, and it generates interest in Lobi purchases = "Short just 10 Lobi for that ship/armor/item?" Just open 2 or 3 Lockboxes. "Short 30 Lobi for that ship/armor/item?" Just open 5 or 6 Lockboxes ... etc.

    ^ This is pretty much it. Remember, boys & girls, there's no such thing as a free Lobi.

    Unless you're like me, and just happen to need a new Temporal Warfare Set for your newly rolled Rom anyway: then the ca. 40 Lobi from this Republic Day event are simply a welcome gift (and a subtraction in keys I would otherwise just have to buy).
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    enoemg wrote: »
    That's not necessarily true. They give us all the ability to trade Dilithium, which is "free" in terms of not paying real money for it, for ZEN. Since it hasn't been changed for as long as I can remember, Cryptic has determined that it hasn't broken the game.

    That's not necessarily true either. The Zen on the exchange has been paid for by someone, therefore they have their money already. What that person does with it they have decided to let them choose.
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Agree with the op. I don't expect to be bringing in 100 lobi each time, but the current system is a real nice compromise. It also has an advantage. Instead of taking g the chance on opening a lock box and to get between 25 and 4 lobi, this mission guarantees 10. I would gladly play this mission every day to gain lobi. I'm currently sitting on just under 300, and I already got the temporal warfare set a while back, but I'm anxious to try another.
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Overwhelming majority of the playerbase just pretend lobi store don't exist. Supermarkets give out free samples of junk food for a reason. "Don't know, don't care" is the biggest enemy to sales.
  • odstparker#7820 odstparker Member Posts: 466 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Overwhelming majority of the playerbase just pretend lobi store don't exist. Supermarkets give out free samples of junk food for a reason. "Don't know, don't care" is the biggest enemy to sales.

    This is another reason why this should happen. It helps their lockbox key sales because more people will start to consider spending money for Lobi because they've gotten a couple samples of things they could have.

    And the fact that the Lobi Store has a few items that I personally love from Star Trek, and might include the MACO Enterprise uniform (which is my favorite Star Trek outfit of all time), is always tapping me on the back, reminding me that I will probably never have any of them. I barely managed to get enough for the Voth uniform after all of the free Lobi events that have happened since their introduction to the game.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    enoemg wrote: »
    This is another reason why this should happen. It helps their lockbox key sales because more people will start to consider spending money for Lobi because they've gotten a couple samples of things they could have.

    And the fact that the Lobi Store has a few items that I personally love from Star Trek, and might include the MACO Enterprise uniform (which is my favorite Star Trek outfit of all time), is always tapping me on the back, reminding me that I will probably never have any of them. I barely managed to get enough for the Voth uniform after all of the free Lobi events that have happened since their introduction to the game.

    And this is why they've started doing more of these "free samples". :rolleyes:
  • odstparker#7820 odstparker Member Posts: 466 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And this is why they've started doing more of these "free samples". :rolleyes:

    And I'm very grateful for it, but I wish it would become a small daily reward instead of special events that are few and far between.
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    decronia wrote: »
    That's not necessarily true either. The Zen on the exchange has been paid for by someone, therefore they have their money already. What that person does with it they have decided to let them choose.

    Bul ... err ... Fiddle Sticks ...

    PWE Boss: Hmmm, sales are a bit low, Have a Dev add 2 million Zen on the Dil exchange under about 50 different fake names ...

    Dev: Clickity, click, click ... Tapity, Tap, Tap ... Clickity, click, click ... <Enter>

    PWE: Well done, that should change the price a bit, and encourage people to convert their hoarded Dil.


    They can (and I have doubt DO) fiddle with metrics and amounts on both the Dil exchange and probably the EC Exchange as well, to "control" the flow of cash ... That's the reality!

    Those annoying messages that scroll across the screen about "xxxx@xxxx has been issued an xxxx TRIBBLE xxxx"? I wouldn't be surprised if half of them were fake! Just advertising by Cryptic to make it "appear" as though they are easier to get ...

    <insert husky whispering voice> Go on ... just a few clicks and it's yours ... just look at all the others have have won ... it's easy ... you know you want to ... look there's another happy player ... that's it ... there you go ... just click that button ...</>

    "People must have spent real money to get that Zen" is total rubbish! And I feel sorry for those that actually believe that. It's ALL digital currency, so they can put whatever numbers they like in there with a few clicks.
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bendalek wrote: »
    Bul ... err ... Fiddle Sticks ...

    PWE Boss: Hmmm, sales are a bit low, Have a Dev add 2 million Zen on the Dil exchange under about 50 different fake names ...

    Dev: Clickity, click, click ... Tapity, Tap, Tap ... Clickity, click, click ... <Enter>

    PWE: Well done, that should change the price a bit, and encourage people to convert their hoarded Dil.


    They can (and I have doubt DO) fiddle with metrics and amounts on both the Dil exchange and probably the EC Exchange as well, to "control" the flow of cash ... That's the reality!

    Those annoying messages that scroll across the screen about "xxxx@xxxx has been issued an xxxx TRIBBLE xxxx"? I wouldn't be surprised if half of them were fake! Just advertising by Cryptic to make it "appear" as though they are easier to get ...

    <insert husky whispering voice> Go on ... just a few clicks and it's yours ... just look at all the others have have won ... it's easy ... you know you want to ... look there's another happy player ... that's it ... there you go ... just click that button ...</>

    "People must have spent real money to get that Zen" is total rubbish! And I feel sorry for those that actually believe that. It's ALL digital currency, so they can put whatever numbers they like in there with a few clicks.

    I detect a hint of paranoia, delusions and bitterness with just a hint of conspiracy theorist......

    ... and I'm inclined to agree :eek:

    I think this applies now
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Maybe it should not be a "normal" daily reward, but I would like to see the 10 Lobi/1440 Dilithium Ore reward available as a daily for "special" events. We had 15 Lobi per day offered for the Special Episodes rerun, for example, so I would like this to happen whenever we have a "special event" like this where we aren't getting a fancy ship or giant-package-of-marks-and-dilithium reward already.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Maybe it should not be a "normal" daily reward, but I would like to see the 10 Lobi/1440 Dilithium Ore reward available as a daily for "special" events. We had 15 Lobi per day offered for the Special Episodes rerun, for example, so I would like this to happen whenever we have a "special event" like this where we aren't getting a fancy ship or giant-package-of-marks-and-dilithium reward already.

    I think 10 lobby will be considered too much for a permanent daily reward... Which is why my suggestion went with 5...
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    enoemg wrote: »
    And I'm very grateful for it, but I wish it would become a small daily reward instead of special events that are few and far between.

    That on the other hand is not going to happen.
  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I completely support this. It's great having a bit of currency for the boxes which makes it more fun to buy extras but when you have ships that are available in the exchange for energy credits and the kits that complete the "set" for these ships is only available in the boxes which provide a random amount of Lobi crystals you can imagine how disappointing it is because this is just plain gambling to get enough through regular money just to buy the rest of the set. What's worse is that the items bought for these ships from the Lobi store are all BoP so they can't be sold in the exchange!

    They need to TRIBBLE or get off the pot on this one! Either they need to make a standard reasonable amount of Lobi available from boxes, say 25 per box 100% of the time, or they need to make it so that people can actually get them in game. Even if it were a daily that gave us 10 Lobi it would still give us a tool we need to get close to our goals.

    For example, I'm sitting on a Temporal Science ship, do I have a single piece of the temporal set? Nope. Why? Because it would take crazy amount of money just to open boxes just for the Lobi Crystals. We're not talking complaining about $20 here folks we're talking $ in the hundreds to get that many.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Overwhelming majority of the playerbase just pretend lobi store don't exist. Supermarkets give out free samples of junk food for a reason. "Don't know, don't care" is the biggest enemy to sales.

    Do you have proof to back this up? When you look at the sheer number of Lobi store ships, outfits, consoles, etc. being used, they say otherwise.

    Again, some of the stuff was acquired free, but as mentioned in my post, doing that is a long process. And in doing a long process, you know many people will not do it just because of sheer hassle.
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lockboxes and keys are Cryptic's "bread and butter". You will never see Lobi as a regular mission reward as a result.
  • platewearingbirdplatewearingbird Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lockboxes and keys are Cryptic's "bread and butter". You will never see Lobi as a regular mission reward as a result.

    I don't think Cryptic hinges on Lobi as a reason for lockboxes to exist.

    Everyone does them for the grand prize ships, not the trace bit of lobi you get. Lobi is a "consolation" prize for losing enough times.
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    I detect a hint of paranoia, delusions and bitterness with just a hint of conspiracy theorist......

    ... and I'm inclined to agree :eek:

    I think this applies now

    I prefer the term "Realist" ... But <sigh> you could be right ... :D
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I don't think Cryptic hinges on Lobi as a reason for lockboxes to exist.

    Everyone does them for the grand prize ships, not the trace bit of lobi you get. Lobi is a "consolation" prize for losing enough times.

    Not really. I often open lockbox when I want a specific lockbox console set or item. Then I just open them for the Lobi (and if I get a ship in the process, hey, I'm okay with that too).
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  • platewearingbirdplatewearingbird Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Not really. I often open lockbox when I want a specific lockbox console set or item. Then I just open them for the Lobi (and if I get a ship in the process, hey, I'm okay with that too).

    You say that, and then I hear 10 people go "wtf I opened to a ton of boxes and didn't get a single ship!"

    So something tells me your goals for opening boxes is not the general goal.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You say that, and then I hear 10 people go "wtf I opened to a ton of boxes and didn't get a single ship!"

    So something tells me your goals for opening boxes is not the general goal.

    I wouldn't presume to know what other ppl open lockboxes for; but I *do* know that your statement that "Everyone does them for the grand prize ships" is simply false.
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  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    First hit is free

    This...but obviously people never tired it :D
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    For some reason if they gonna do this that you can choose whether you want a dillithium or lobi payout I don't see the harm to that, I heart people saying they saved up enough dillithium and fleet marks to gear there ship up with fleet stuff and Cryptic ain't making money on those guys. Besides if they do it, it could be because they want more people to grind and stay longer in the game.

    And if they do 10 or 100 lobi per daily that won't harm them because they simply raise the prize tags on the items, but it would mean more people would spend time grinding stuff.
    Simple as that...

    If you are a sales men and you are willing to lower the price a bit or a way to get it, that person tells someone else and that person also telling someone else and they will all visit your store, that's how it works in business, You must sometimes give something to receive more then you already do.

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