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Will we ever be told the backstory behind the Mirror Galaxy X?

erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
I've been Obsessed with needing to know how the Mirror Galaxy X came to be since the 1st time I faced it when it was the Boss ship in the deep space encounters around DS9 years ago.

Now I see it in the Mirror Event and still I know nothing about its backstory :(

Come on Cryptic spin me a yarn of the tales of the Mirror X :D
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Terran Empire has been stealing Federation designs for decades now. How else to explain going from a slave race to having the latest everything in just a generation? Recon the beardless universe, figure out who had access, then replace them and walk out with data chips full of the Federation's latest technologies. After all, who better an infiltrator than someone with the same DNA, retinal prints, voice prints, everything?
  • admiralkristovadmiralkristov Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The mirror STO players complained for hundreds of pages on their mirror-forums until finally, after years of "feedback" the mirror-devs developed the mirror-dreadnought you see today.

    And in the mirror universe the spinal lance is perfectly aligned.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The mirror STO players complained for hundreds of pages on their mirror-forums until finally, after years of "feedback" the mirror-devs developed the mirror-dreadnought you see today.

    And in the mirror universe the spinal lance is perfectly aligned.

    Now that's just cruel.
  • admiralkristovadmiralkristov Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Now that's just cruel.

    Indeed, it makes me shudder every time I see my wonky lance. :P
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    hehe, what I want to know is why it's named "Stadi". :P
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Now that's just cruel.

    Why don't you ask Mirror Solace if it is. I bet they can set the record straight.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But seriously, the Mirror Terrans have been stealing Starfleet technology ever since DS9. If they can steal the plans for the Defiant, then they can steal the plans for any other Starfleet ship or weapon.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    How did they get the NX class
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They're basically doing to Starfleet what China is doing to us. We pay for the R and D, they pay a fraction of the price on cyber warfare and steal all the technology for pennies on the dollar then appropriate it for their own uses.

    Pretty clever really.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    How did they get the NX class

    Mirror Universe, 'nuff said!

    As far as I'm aware for all the Mirror Universe events the Mirror Dreadnought (Gal-X, Odyssey, or whatever) is the ship that's sustaining the portal spam. The anti-tachyon pulse forces the ship to come through itself to serve as the "anchor" and busting it up halts the invasion...for now.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They had the NX-class already. The empire fell quite some time after that.

    That's my point

    So then if no one is going to Question the NX class, then who the hell cares how they got the Galaxy X

    /Thread :D
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  • vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Gal X was designed by some moron who thought Nacelles were actually laser guns and stuck another one on top to make the Gal look more powerful. When in reality it just goes warp 9.999999 or whatever.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    vhiranikos wrote: »
    The Gal X was designed by some moron who thought Nacelles were actually laser guns and stuck another one on top to make the Gal look more powerful. When in reality it just goes warp 9.999999 or whatever.

    Yeah, that's why they never put a Giant Laser gun in the front....Oh wait... so the third Nacelles is because the ship travels Warp 13.
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  • vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Yeah, that's why they never put a Giant Laser gun in the front....Oh wait... so the third Nacelles is because the ship travels Warp 13.

    So it's piloted by a bunch of devolved lizard creatures?

    time to get one.
  • robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I'm ok with certain models. U can understand them stealing designs from the defiant forward. I can also understand them having older designs like the nx since they would have had those designs and would be easy to mass produce if they had limited resources.

    The op has a point on the gal-x. If they started stealing designs like the defiant forward and they now have ships like the oddy which is newer tech, then why the heck would they steal and build and older ship. the third nacelle is a retrofit on the older galaxy. it would take a huge ship yard and a lot of materials just to build a galaxy to retrofit in this matter.

    It is a logistical nightmare. It would be better to build a dozen defiant (or Prometheus) clase ships over the gal-x.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    robdmc wrote: »
    I'm ok with certain models. U can understand them stealing designs from the defiant forward. I can also understand them having older designs like the nx since they would have had those designs and would be easy to mass produce if they had limited resources.

    The op has a point on the gal-x. If they started stealing designs like the defiant forward and they now have ships like the oddy which is newer tech, then why the heck would they steal and build and older ship. the third nacelle is a retrofit on the older galaxy. it would take a huge ship yard and a lot of materials just to build a galaxy to retrofit in this matter.

    It is a logistical nightmare. It would be better to build a dozen defiant (or Prometheus) clase ships over the gal-x.

    Basically the Galaxy X should not even exist in our Prime STO universe has it was only a ship that was seen by Picard while he was time and reality hopping thanks to Q.

    Don't get me wrong the Galaxy X is my favorite of all the Federation ships and I'm grateful for having it in-game; however, do we even know how it came to be here in the Prime Universe :confused:

    Sure we can go with the assumption that the Terrans stole its plans and mass produced a few for their empire but that seems so lacking IMO.

    I'd like to know how the X came to be in both the prime and Mirror Universe even if it was just a small paragraph found in a shipyard database.
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  • moosoomanmoosooman Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Terran Empire has been stealing Federation designs for decades now. How else to explain going from a slave race to having the latest everything in just a generation? Recon the beardless universe, figure out who had access, then replace them and walk out with data chips full of the Federation's latest technologies. After all, who better an infiltrator than someone with the same DNA, retinal prints, voice prints, everything?

    infinite number of mirror universes, hence their being one where the terran empire was never enslaved or never fell.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    We can assume that the Galaxy-X upgrade was already planned either during or shortly after the Enterprise D was destroyed. Due to some oddity in the parallel universe created by Q's anomaly, the Ent D survived and consequently received the upgrade and there was no need for an Enterprise E. It is feasible that the Terrans either stole the Gal-X design from the prime universe, or developed it of their own accord.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wellllllll...

    Admiral riker was incharge of the refit in the alternate futrue timeline we first saw it in.

    We know many of the events that lead to that time line didn't happen, however we also know there are many that did.

    SO in theory enough similarity exists between the current and alternate time lined that riker and whom ever else was involved in the project may have still put the plans forward.

    So the galaxy dreadnought is simply the alternate refit available for its 2nd major life extending overhaul.
    As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?

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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    That's my point

    So then if no one is going to Question the NX class, then who the hell cares how they got the Galaxy X

    /Thread :D

    NX class was probably forced Vulcan scientists actually making t for them... probably the only MU design that actually was created in the MU.
  • warpedcorewarpedcore Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wellllllll...

    Admiral riker was incharge of the refit in the alternate futrue timeline we first saw it in.


    They never said that anywhere in canon.

    The Galaxy-class was designed to operate for a century or more, according to the technical manual. Ships go through upgrades and modifications over their operational lifetime. For all we know, what we call the Galaxy-X was in fact a planned upgrade from the very beginning. Or, as the text suggests, a required upgrade due to the alterations of the political landscape. It happens, even in the real world.

    Lets look at the Los Angles-class attack submarine of the Cold War, for instance. The final 23 boats of the Los Angeles class were designed and built to be quieter than their predecessors and also to carry more-advanced sensor and weapons systems. These advanced boats were also designed for operating beneath the polar ice cap. Their diving planes were placed at their bows rather than on their sails, and they have stronger sails for penetrating thick ice.

    They're still Los Angeles class boats, but they've been modified for or upgraded for their mission profiles. The same goes for the Galaxy-class. This new flight of Galaxy have been upgraded with a back up nacelle, a spare tire as it were, upgraded weapons systems, armor, less scientific facilities and more crew support.

    Let's not forget the cloaking device. The treaty of Algeron is no longer in effect, as the Romulan Star Empire has become defunct over the last thirty years. Starfleet is free to develop cloaking technology as they see fit, and the Galaxy-class was one vehicle that was outfitted with the technology.

    Alternate universe or not, the same people survived to this time, and came up with the same ideas for the Galaxy-class. The GX was inevitable in any future where the Klingon Empire and the Federation became belligerents. Call it destiny if you will.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    warpedcore wrote: »
    They never said that anywhere in canon.

    The Galaxy-class was designed to operate for a century or more, according to the technical manual. Ships go through upgrades and modifications over their operational lifetime. For all we know, what we call the Galaxy-X was in fact a planned upgrade from the very beginning. Or, as the text suggests, a required upgrade due to the alterations of the political landscape. It happens, even in the real world.

    Lets look at the Los Angles-class attack submarine of the Cold War, for instance. The final 23 boats of the Los Angeles class were designed and built to be quieter than their predecessors and also to carry more-advanced sensor and weapons systems. These advanced boats were also designed for operating beneath the polar ice cap. Their diving planes were placed at their bows rather than on their sails, and they have stronger sails for penetrating thick ice.

    They're still Los Angeles class boats, but they've been modified for or upgraded for their mission profiles. The same goes for the Galaxy-class. This new flight of Galaxy have been upgraded with a back up nacelle, a spare tire as it were, upgraded weapons systems, armor, less scientific facilities and more crew support.

    Let's not forget the cloaking device. The treaty of Algeron is no longer in effect, as the Romulan Star Empire has become defunct over the last thirty years. Starfleet is free to develop cloaking technology as they see fit, and the Galaxy-class was one vehicle that was outfitted with the technology.

    Alternate universe or not, the same people survived to this time, and came up with the same ideas for the Galaxy-class. The GX was inevitable in any future where the Klingon Empire and the Federation became belligerents. Call it destiny if you will.

    They did...kinda


    When riker is in the mess hall of the enterprise and says the nice thing about being an admiral is you get to pick what ever ship you want.

    He also mentions pulling her out of mothballs.


    We can infer either the galaxy class was retired early (its only been 30 years to that point) and was in her origional configuration.

    Or we can say that all galaxy class ships were upgraded to the new standard.

    More likely the enterprise was retired in her origional configuration and later upgraded by riker to the dreadnought specs.

    I would prefer to believe what we saw was an upgrade and not the mothballed ship since if she were retired in that condition then she is completely obsolete.

    As for her lifespan I say alternate configuration since we have 3 galaxys with 2 being on the same tier.

    So the t4 galaxy is the origional with the gal r and x being alternate refits.

    Or we can say that the r is a minor life extension refit either way there are 2


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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But seriously, the Mirror Terrans have been stealing Starfleet technology ever since DS9. If they can steal the plans for the Defiant, then they can steal the plans for any other Starfleet ship or weapon.

    Come to think of it, the Terrans stole teh Defiant twice.

    The first time they captured it from the Tholians, this one was the23rd century Constitution class Defiant.
    The second time it was the 24th century Defiant class Defiant. :)
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    timelord79 wrote: »
    Come to think of it, the Terrans stole teh Defiant twice.

    The first time they captured it from the Tholians, this one was the23rd century Constitution class Defiant.
    The second time it was the 24th century Defiant class Defiant. :)

    yeah and i wonder if that makes a new mirror universe as well.


    I mean they KEPT the more advanced ship. Obviously they could have used it to advance 100 years technologicaly probably in a decade or so.

    So why was mirror kirk commanding a conni identical to the prime universe kirk's conni?
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    timelord79 wrote: »
    Come to think of it, the Terrans stole teh Defiant twice.

    The first time they captured it from the Tholians, this one was the23rd century Constitution class Defiant.
    The second time it was the 24th century Defiant class Defiant. :)

    I'd like to see a Mirror Odyssey class Dreanought complete with the 3rd Nacelle and some kind of intergrated Torpedo Barrage special attack that was 1st constructed by the Terrans and then stolen by us for a change ;)
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I guess this will have to do for now

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_X_class
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  • warpedcorewarpedcore Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They did...kinda


    When riker is in the mess hall of the enterprise and says the nice thing about being an admiral is you get to pick what ever ship you want.

    He also mentions pulling her out of mothballs.

    The actual quote was:

    Geordi: "The ship has held up pretty well over the years."

    Riker: "They tried to decommission her about five years ago. One of the advantages of being an Admiral is- you get to choose your own ship."

    The clip in question starts at 1:13:08 on NetFlix's version of All Good Things.

    Nothing about mothballs. I think it's safe to say that the Galaxy-class, or at least some of the units, were destined for Dreadnought upgrades, while others would continue with their original mission profile of long range scout / explorer.
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