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Are torpedoes still relevant with the Cutting Beam installed?

captpeacemakercaptpeacemaker Member Posts: 230 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
It occurs to me that the Cutting Beam deals Kinetic damage almost continuously to a target in a 360 firing arc. So as soon as the enemy's shield facing is down, it begins damaging the hull.

This occurs much faster than turning the ship to fire torpedoes and hope that shield facing is still in the firing arc of the torpedo and that its still down by the time the torpedo gets there. This is especially true for cruisers.

So would it be more worthwhile to mount the cutting beam aft and put another energy weapon up front, therefore increasing the effective Dps rather than having an under-used torpedo launcher taking up a weapon slot?
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  • galadimangaladiman Member Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The cutting beam is great, I think I run it on all my ships...

    but Torpedo Spread 3 is a massive and viscerally satisfying number of explosions in ways that the cutting beam will never be.
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Depends, I have gravity well on my vesta setup and I use the Cutting beam in the aft (it still fires forwards I've noticed) and then put the dyson torp in the front to act as my second gravity well (enhanced with High yeild). At least it's still viable for me.
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  • captpeacemakercaptpeacemaker Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I agree that having and firing torpedoes is visually appealing.

    But as far as effectiveness, it seems like the cutting beam is a better way to deal kinetic damage.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    On my Nova retro, i have the dyson torpedo up front with 2 voth antiproton dbbs and the cutting beam, wide angle and antiproton omni beam aft, don't know where i'd be without torpedoes
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    • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      When you can post a log of a Cutting beam doing this... I will agree that it is the ultimate kinetic weapon. Something tells me I won't be able to do 356k in 2s with one.


      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Quantum Torpedo deals 27337 (19413) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Nanite Transformer.

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      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 17316 (9888) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

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      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 17139 (9787) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 18281 (10439) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 20328 (11608) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 20669 (11803) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 19427 (11093) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Mine Explosion deals 17080 (9753) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Quantum Torpedo - Spread III deals 15576 (8894) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Quantum Torpedo - Spread III deals 15688 (8959) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

      [1:43] [Combat (Self)] Your Quantum Torpedo - Spread III deals 16808 (9598) Kinetic Damage to Nanite Transformer.

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    • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
      edited April 2014
      Go for it and tell us how it works. Torpedoes are nearly irrelevant as it is anyways (at least in PVP).
    • teluasteluas Member Posts: 132 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      galadiman wrote: »
      The cutting beam is great, I think I run it on all my ships...

      but Torpedo Spread 3 is a massive and viscerally satisfying number of explosions in ways that the cutting beam will never be.

      This... 1000000% this. :D

      Its especially true when you're using the gravimetric torpedo on a group of ships caught in a GW. lol
    • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      Depends on the Torpedo. Quantums and the Borg Torp are still useful, others not so much.
    • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      centersolace wrote: »
      Depends on the Torpedo. Quantums and the Borg Torp are still useful, others not so much.

      grav torpedo is the best if you have enough points into particle generators. with TS3 and GW it's crazy strong.
    • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      was gonna state, the dyson torp with spread 3 and a grav well, scramble sensors can ridiculously outclass a cutting beam. so you tell me is the cutting beam strong enough to challenge that?
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    • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      rmy1081 wrote: »
      grav torpedo is the best if you have enough points into particle generators. with TS3 and GW it's crazy strong.

      I haven't seen that one often. I'll have to look into it.
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    • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      centersolace wrote: »
      I haven't seen that one often. I'll have to look into it.

      Actually, if you're already specced into GW it works like a secondary.

      Especially on torp spread, very nice weapon.

      Thinking of putting one on my adapted BC, along with GW3, the elachi subspace thingy, the nanite console, the nukara rep active and sensors/BFAW, i'm thinking that a grav spread on top of all that will make my AOE death ball complete
    • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      f2pdrakron wrote: »
      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ... Omega Torp ... useful ...

      Okay, not in PvP. But in PvE it's great.
      rinkster wrote: »
      Actually, if you're already specced into GW it works like a secondary.

      Especially on torp spread, very nice weapon.

      Thinking of putting one on my adapted BC, along with GW3, the elachi subspace thingy, the nanite console, the nukara rep active and sensors/BFAW, i'm thinking that a grav spread on top of all that will make my AOE death ball complete

      Interesting. That might be a good idea considering Cryptic hates 1v1 matches.
    • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
      edited April 2014
      centersolace wrote: »



      Interesting. That might be a good idea considering Cryptic hates 1v1 matches.

      Variations of it, with the omega torp on spread as opposed to the grav, have been quite useful in MI.

      The blinding effect of the elachi console is particulary useful.
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