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Fleet Bank Raided - is it worth warning others?

jamesstjamesjamesstjames Member Posts: 75 Arc User
I'm an FA in a fleet that had one of the repositories in our bank emptied last night - I'm not going to complain or throw a tantrum over that part. The permissions weren't set correctly on that one and our fleet leader is understandably kicking himself over that.

What I'm more curious about is that I checked the user in question and found them at another bank slot, in another fleet and began wondering if he'd end up going through the motions again with others.

This user looks to have been using an alt to raid various fleets (usual process - join fleet, check bank, get promoted if need be and leave to return again) and is a fleet leader on their 'main' character.

I've done a quick search on here and it seems common-ish enough and understandably, nothing we can do about it (our mistake, our problem - fair enough).

But is there a way to 'name and shame' in-game so to speak, so that the same won't happen to others?

I know I can't (and won't) mention his username or fleet here, but is it worth warning other fleets he's signing up to or will that just cause a massive violation of the big book or rules and put me at risk of getting the boot by a GM?
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    What happens in-game, stays in-game.

    If you know of other fleets this individual has characters in, then a quick message to the leader of that fleet doesn't cost anything, and might just do them a favour. Sounds like the guy deserves to be booted.
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If you see him asking in game for a fleet you can say it in chat, others do this. Other than that I can't think of anything else you can do that would be effective. Even with that people may tend to ignore them as people tend to take such things with a pinch of salt.

    Telling fleet leaders can be difficult as finding them is not easiest, plus depending on how they set permissions more can invite. That sort of rules out this approach.
  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I think this guy hit my fleet also. All he got was a bunch of XII blue Eng and Sci consoles and all of our lower tier gear used for leveling up alts. Nothing that could not be replaced. Sad that there are people like that in the world.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    But is there a way to 'name and shame' in-game so to speak, so that the same won't happen to others?

    no.

    /10c.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I keep advocating for a public "wanted" board, but no one listens. Heck, we can do that in real life, why not here?

    (Cryptic's endless stupidity regarding the ToS... Someone really needs to rewrite it)
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I keep advocating for a public "wanted" board, but no one listens. Heck, we can do that in real life, why not here?

    (Cryptic's endless stupidity regarding the ToS... Someone really needs to rewrite it)

    Not sure if that would be a good idea though.
    As a matter of fact you usually can not proof that kind if behavior, so people ending up there will only end up there because someone says so.
    And someone can simply lie. I could easily state "stardestroyer001 raided my fleet bank" and put you up there just because I want so. I couldn't proof it, but I couldn't proof it either if actually did that.
  • jacqueline3752jacqueline3752 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    sadly some humans live by the 52 Rules of Acquisition Never ask when you can take.
  • jamesstjamesjamesstjames Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    What happens in-game, stays in-game.

    If you know of other fleets this individual has characters in, then a quick message to the leader of that fleet doesn't cost anything, and might just do them a favour. Sounds like the guy deserves to be booted.
    decronia wrote: »
    If you see him asking in game for a fleet you can say it in chat, others do this. Other than that I can't think of anything else you can do that would be effective. Even with that people may tend to ignore them as people tend to take such things with a pinch of salt.

    Telling fleet leaders can be difficult as finding them is not easiest, plus depending on how they set permissions more can invite. That sort of rules out this approach.

    True on both posts - cheers :) I might keep an eye on the username and send a warning to fleet leaders if online and they seem to be jumping around the fleets some more - and I suspect our fleet leader will be keeping an eye on zone chat.

    But yeah, there's no guarantee anyone would pay attention or assume I wasn't a massive toruble maker myself - but being obsessively nice, I can't help but give it a try just in case hah
    Not sure if that would be a good idea though.
    As a matter of fact you usually can not proof that kind if behavior, so people ending up there will only end up there because someone says so.
    And someone can simply lie. I could easily state "stardestroyer001 raided my fleet bank" and put you up there just because I want so. I couldn't proof it, but I couldn't proof it either if actually did that.

    I'd have the same concern with such a 'wanted' board, really. I could esily go in and screencap the logs as some sort of half-proof, but even then - not everyone would and some may be persecuted out of a grudge - lets face it, not all players are nice and mature!

    When I searched for old threads there were some nice ideas, but I can't see much more than a friendly nudge to others being a sensible approach that'll avoid anything blowing up publicly.

    On the positive side - our fleet leader won't make that same oversight twice!

    Cheers :)
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    There's nothing preventing people from banding together and creating their own website to name and shame thieves. Call it a Blacklist. Get some free ads from the Spader series up there just for lulz. But oustide of this forum you are allowed to do whatever you really want on the internet.

    Have at it.
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  • saihung423saihung423 Member Posts: 548 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    <cough> Star Trek Online FB page<cough>
  • meldrithpwmeldrithpw Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I've seen exactly the same thing happen in CO. This is one of the reasons that each bank tab has separate access settings. it allows you to limit new members access to the primo stuff you've been hoarding.

    Sure, let the new members have full access to the first tab, and if they've been with you a while and havn't cleared it out, give 'em access to the second. if they spend some time with you and don't clear that one out, give 'em access to the third. Etc, etc, etc.

    If they manage to stick with you long enough to gain access to that final tab and you havn't figured out what kind of person they are yet, I'd say it's a lesson well learned, and/or they were so sneaky and determined that they deserve everything they got.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yeah but how do you prevent people from being falsely accused? What documentation are the owners of the website going to require to be provided to insure only guilty parties get listed?

    I'm not great with the administrative details, but I bet if some like miinded folks got together and really wanted to make this a thing, a protocol/system could be worked out for proper documentation.
    And if people get caught making false accusations will they in turn get listed?

    A process with varying degrees of punitive action for false accusations could be part of the aforementioned protocols? Maybe? Just totally spitballing here.

    Also do you really want to provide gold farmers anyones in game global names?

    This is an interesting question. I'm wondering how rampant and effective gold farming is in the current STO model? Essentially the most valued commodities in the game aren't tradable are they? Refined Dilithium and Fleet Marks for the most part. Along with rep currencies. That leaves tradable commodities, but for the standard gold farmer, that's really mostly Energy Credits right? How effective is it to be an EC farmer en masse in STO right now?

    I don't know. I mean I'm just thinking out loud here. I do see what you're saying, but I'm wondering if it's really as big a risk as it might once have been?
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  • max1002max1002 Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The devs have said before you have to set your fleet permissions carefully. So this don't happen to your fleet. And sadly you give out trust to people and take advantage of it.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    max1002 wrote: »
    The devs have said before you have to set your fleet permissions carefully. So this don't happen to your fleet. And sadly you give out trust to people and take advantage of it.

    This says it really. It is as much the fault of the fleet leader as it is the "thief." They gave them persmission to take stuff from the bank, can't really complain if they take advantage of that.

    Also if you don't want an item to be taken, don't put it in the fleet bank. Simple as.


    And I'm saying all this as a fleet leader myself.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    This says it really. It is as much the fault of the fleet leader as it is the "thief."

    True. But the OP did step up and take responsibility for the theft. They seem more interested in stemming future theft by having an outlet to name the thief and make others aware of the actions.

    While I realize that again, the responsibility is totally on the shoulders of fleet leaders to be careful with their settings/permissions, I do think the OP's heart is in the right place.

    Not sure if there's much the OP can do though. Other than going outside of the fourms and away from Cryptic's Forum Guidelines.
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  • kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Was this a result of:

    A) Not being selective about who you let into your fleet?
    B) Not locking bank tabs?
    C) Sending "ninja" invites to random people you don't know?
    D) All the above


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  • kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And even when fleets are careful and responsible these thefts still happen.

    How often have we seen/heard of disputes between fleet leaders end with someone leaving and taking what he or she thinks rightfully belongs to them, or taking the entire fleet for him/her self and booting the people that disagreed with them.
    This is exactly the kind of drama I avoid. I've been very selective about joining fleets over the past 4 years.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If I'm not mistaken Snoggy, it's against the rules to post links to websites which break the ToS. I love the idea of a "wanted" list that isn't on PWE related sites, but if no one can see it (short of google), what is the point?
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  • jamesstjamesjamesstjames Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    This says it really. It is as much the fault of the fleet leader as it is the "thief." They gave them persmission to take stuff from the bank, can't really complain if they take advantage of that.

    Also if you don't want an item to be taken, don't put it in the fleet bank. Simple as.

    And I'm saying all this as a fleet leader myself.
    True. But the OP did step up and take responsibility for the theft. They seem more interested in stemming future theft by having an outlet to name the thief and make others aware of the actions.

    While I realize that again, the responsibility is totally on the shoulders of fleet leaders to be careful with their settings/permissions, I do think the OP's heart is in the right place..

    Yeah - our FL was kicking himself ha! Set all the limitations for various repositories and missed one. Losing that much stuff is annoying, but we all know that considering it a lesson to be more careful and moving on is more sensible than grabbing our pitchforks.

    Though yeah, making sure others don't end up with the same guy doing the same kind of raid on them - as impossible a task as it may be - seems the right thing to do afterwards. Especially with smaller fleets with a larger grind ahead of them who might not be as easy to recover from a big hit.
    kain9prime wrote: »
    Was this a result of:

    A) Not being selective about who you let into your fleet?
    B) Not locking bank tabs?
    C) Sending "ninja" invites to random people you don't know?
    D) All the above

    Remember, no good deed goes unpunished...

    I'd say an accidental B and sadly an A in hindsight. Not sure who extended the invite in the first, but most either bring in a friend or someone they've chatted to.

    Reading through - I thought the idea of a 'Wanted' board might be a bit extreme, but there could be a certain logic in there if done right. Not sure it'd help overall though - only a minority of players use these forums, so how many less would use a third resource?
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  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    When I owed a fleet, permissions were tight and the rank promotions involved: 1. talking in fleet chat 2. participating in fleet event e.g. ISE or whatever. And that's how I got a feel for if I could trust them. "Ask not what your fleet can do for you but rather, ask what you can do for your fleet."

    The only time I'd mess with a fleets bank is if a fleet kept ninja inviting me even after I keep refusing to join. Still, I wouldn't steal but I'd fill up the empty slots with tribbles :D.

    While I don't advocate fleet bank abuse, It kind of adds to the Star Trek IP: All the other species are out to get you.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,991 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Fleet System is inherently bad and flawed being designed simply as a resource sink.

    Better to have an in game universal faction Fleet that you get promoted in allowing access to more resources.

    As a F2P game, there should be no worries about departing malcontents.
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