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marcel314marcel314 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
Actually i wanted to speak about something else. I like the new direction for which the devs aim for. Balancing powercreep and still leave us with some boni ( we still got 4 traits for ground,another 4 for space and 4 active ones, most of them are nearly 100% stronger now ).
Another unbalancing thing are the differences bewteen the factions.

We got romulans and remans boffs with space traits for romulan. The scimitar which should be a big glass cannon is the strongest ship in pve.The third op thing of roms is the valdore console.

Klingons (and kdf roms) got elite fleet disruptor which reduce the shield resistance. The only other thing which can do that are tachyon mines and those can be easily killed. The federation just got a small shield heal. There are many shield heals in this game already. The other thing are pets. Elite interceptons, elite siphon drones and the only non lobi or c store frigate pet. Even the fed c store don't offer a carrier with acces to frigates.

Federation, the love child of the devs / cash cow got the greatest variety of ships. Another unbalancing thing is the tachyon detection field. The kdfs lacky such an item for a snopper build.

Suggestion how to improve balance:
-Instead of nerfing rom space traits ( even 0.00001% more critH is still an advantage ), add space traits to all other boffs.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=833201
Imo that guy got the best way what kind of traits can be added
-Scimitar....Imo the ship is already nearly balanced but reduce shieldmod to 1 and maxhull something between cruiser and escort. Increase dimishing returns of resistance and give npcs more ways to hurt hull
This ship should be a big glass cannon which tries to hit and run
-Valdore console: Put it into the undine box and watch how the masterkey sales explode. Reduce the heal to 100% , similar to the solaene hull heal proc

-Leave the elite disruptor in peace and turn the current elite phaser shield proc into something like 2.5% to heal shields by 50% of the dealt damage or increasing shield resistance by 2.5% , stacks 4 times
-Make a great hanger pet revamp. Too lazy to suggest one now
-A true fed carrier ( jupiter class ) with aquarius frigate pets ( miranda and defiant are too big ) or add a kitty frigate to the existing atrox carrier
-Make a Fleet garumba ( 5 tac consoles ) and Fleet Hegtha Bird of Prey Refit ( 5 fore weapons , 1 rear weapon, 4 Tac consoles )
-Add all the existing and not flyable npc ships of the orion syndicate,gorn hegemony,nausicaans to the kdf
-Make some lethean and ferasan ships ( ferasan escort carrier )
-Put the Tachyon Detecion field console into the lockbox after the undine one ( I say it will be krenim :) )


Edit: Changed title...maybe i went too far with the misleading

I'm not a native english speaker, sorry for all the typos and awful grammer
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    LOL....I am 90% certain people will only read the title.
    Sorry, you can't borrow my FD turnout gear , for the flame war that will erupt.:D
  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You are the type of person who will whinge about balance until the game becomes an anodyne mess lacking individuality in any respect.
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Thread title is misleading, plz nerf.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Delete the kdf, I don't like them
    Why should they delete something hundreds of people play and enjoy just because of you...?
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    LOL....I am 90% certain people will only read the title.
    Sorry, you can't borrow my FD turnout gear , for the flame war that will erupt.:D
    The rest isn't worth reading judging from the title.
  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johngazman wrote: »
    Thread title is misleading, plz nerf.

    Obnoxious titles do bother me.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Looking at title...

    Seeing some words about "balance", "powercreep" and "nerfing".

    Nah, not worth taking anything serious. A good player can work and win in ANY build and ship.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • gerudongerudon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »

    Suggestion how to improve balance:
    -Scimitar....Imo the ship is already nearly balanced, maybe reduce shieldmod to 1 and maxhull something between cruiser and escort should be nerfed by increasing dimishing return of resistance and give npcs more ways to hurt hull
    -Valdore console: Put it into the undine box and watch how the masterkey sales explode :D. Maybe reduce the heal to 100% , similar to the solaene hull heal proc

    Yeah, nerf stuff people (myself included) have actually paid for, that is a great idea... :rolleyes:

    I concur though, that KDF and Fed need "operatives" as well (and I don't mean the clone army, you can buy in the embassy). Yes, that would make players even more powerful, but powercreep isn't a problem here, the content not keeping up with it, is.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    O kind of misleading title, and with a tread I read about it a Thousand times what does your make any difference ??
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    bait-n-switch thread is stupid. plz ignore.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    OP what you've just done is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited March 2014
    Clearly a retroactive deletion of this player is required.

    Look at the flowers Marcel, look at the beautiful flowers.

    'Nuff said.
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Dear diary

    Today i decided to use my brain.... it didn't go well :(
  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    -Valdore console: Put it into the undine box and watch how the masterkey sales explode :D. Maybe reduce the heal to 100% , similar to the solaene hull heal proc

    -Leave the elite disruptor in peace and turn the current elite phaser shield proc into something like 2.5% to heal shields by 50% of the dealt damage or increasing shield resistance by 2.5% , stacks 4 times
    -Make a great hanger pet revamp. Too lazy to suggest one now
    -A true fed carrier ( jupiter class ) with aquarius frigate pets ( miranda and defiant are too big ) or add a kitty frigate to the existing atrox carrier
    -Make a Fleet garumba ( 5 tac consoles ) and Fleet Hegtha Bird of Prey Refit ( 5 fore weapons , 1 rear weapon, 4 Tac consoles )
    -Add all the existing and not flyable npc ships of the orion syndicate,gorn hegemony,nausicaans to the kdf
    -Make some lethean and ferasan ships ( ferasan escort carrier )
    -Put the Tachyon Detecion field console into the lockbox after the undine one ( I say it will be krenim :) )

    Let's how many people only read the title :cool:

    Valdore console is fine, it doesn't proc THAT often as you think and won't save you in a TRIBBLE moment.
    Scimitar is fine. Canonically it is a power creep and it is a glass cannon mainly. Do something wrong and it's doomed. it's a game, there has to be something better than everything else.

    Agreed on elite phaser rework, but NOT as you want it. It's clear like the sky in summer that you want an equivalent of Valdore console for Federation, just say it and avoid flaming.

    Federation NEVER had a way to lauch frigate level ships from their hangar, I can see them only on Atrox. Odyssey can launch an Aquarius if you want it badly. There are lockbox ships if you're not happy with it. Ever thought about Elite Scorpions with Intimidating Strikes trait? I guess no.

    Agreed on Guramba, but the Heg'ta you want can be added to wall of shame, 5 fore for a BoP is totally OP. There's fleet HoH'SuS with 4 tac.

    No comment on npc ships, just to put devs working 24h per day.

    If you want to prevent someone cloaking, load a TB. Maaaybe the Tachyon Detection Field, but not the grid, no.


    I wish I stopped to the title :rolleyes:
  • saihung423saihung423 Member Posts: 548 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    uhhhhh


    errrrrrrr



    ehhhhh



    ummmm
  • mondoidmondoid Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited March 2014
  • marcel314marcel314 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Valdore console is fine, it doesn't proc THAT often as you think and won't save you in a TRIBBLE moment.
    Scimitar is fine. Canonically it is a power creep and it is a glass cannon mainly. Do something wrong and it's doomed. it's a game, there has to be something better than everything else.

    Agreed on elite phaser rework, but NOT as you want it. It's clear like the sky in summer that you want an equivalent of Valdore console for Federation, just say it and avoid flaming.

    Federation NEVER had a way to lauch frigate level ships from their hangar, I can see them only on Atrox. Odyssey can launch an Aquarius if you want it badly. There are lockbox ships if you're not happy with it. Ever thought about Elite Scorpions with Intimidating Strikes trait? I guess no.

    Agreed on Guramba, but the Heg'ta you want can be added to wall of shame, 5 fore for a BoP is totally OP. There's fleet HoH'SuS with 4 tac.

    No comment on npc ships, just to put devs working 24h per day.

    If you want to prevent someone cloaking, load a TB. Maaaybe the Tachyon Detection Field, but not the grid, no.


    I wish I stopped to the title :rolleyes:

    I own the valdore console. You are right, it doesn't proc often but the healing is still strong. I got the scimitar too. All the powercreep from reps and fleet system + scimitar as base is insane. Only a total noob can die with in pve, pvp is another story. People know the weak spots of scimitars.

    I didn't tried to make a valdore clone for feds on purpose. The elite disruptor is an offensive proc which has something to do with shields. I wanted to keep the shield theme but defensive oriented but i am open for other suggestion how to improve.

    Fighters sucks, pvpers and all the new npc races kills them easily and making those immune against aoe skills just looks silly. Shuttles are okay but only delta and runabout are worth it.
    Do feds really need to buy a recluse or a jdhc with bug on the same toon only to get something equivalent as the vo'qov and karfi. I don't want copies of those, just something which is competive against those. We got the atrox but without frigate and it's own fighters are pretty average, even weak compared to other pets and some people(check the shipyard subforum) , myself included want the jupiter ( and typhoon) playable.
    Actually i agree with you about that no fed carrier should launch frigate but in the shows there were no klingon carriers too, but yet many people are okay that the vo'qov exist.

    About the heg'tha, well i respect your opion. A 5 fore weapons bird of prey need to be tested first.

    ...npc ships. I and you don't know how long the devs works on sto per day. It's just a suggestion to give the klingons more variety.

    A fed can do all that stuff too + the tachyon consoles. I would be happy too if the klingons got their own special console which tries to find cloaked enemies with it's own, more klingonish way. Maybe your ship get the ability to ram cloaked ships and deal hull damage?
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i agree delete them they never had a big fan or player base :D
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Most useless thread EU 2014.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    All the powercreep from reps and fleet system + scimitar as base is insane. Only a total noob can die with in pve, pvp is another story. People know the weak spots of scimitars.
    Without a2b builds, the scimitar wouldn't be so op. The pet are powerful, but not much more than the recluse pet (the frigates), or even the Vo'quv b'rel. Without a2b, your choice would be either easy but not so powerful beamboat, or a more powerful but a lot more difficult to play cannon ship.

    But almost everything start to be op with a2b.



    As for the rest of the topic, lol.
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I like the KDF. Especially their women.

    Dat Klingon Booty. :cool:
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I like the KDF. Especially their women.

    Dat Klingon Booty. :cool:

    Silly Dark, everyone knows it's all about the bust.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    dont need kdf for any of them 2 called get implants enough said dont think that go away even in the 24 century
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    bait-n-switch thread is stupid. plz ignore.

    Yup. In this case it's really bad because:

    - It's got an inflammatory title.
    - The content of the post will be ignored by the feedback system. So the OP's points and content won't even get seen by people who could make a difference because they'll skip the thread due to it's inflammatory title.
    - All of the content belongs in one of the 5 already existent threads on the topic. There's one in the GNN forum, one in the game mechanics forum, one in the reputation system forum and two in the tribble forum. All talking about this. And assorted others that haven't been picked up and merged still kicking around in the general forum.

    The only way this thread succeeds is if it was intentionally designed to incite argument. Which I really hope wasn't the intention.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Most useless thread EU 2014.

    Carry on, nothing to see here.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Carry on, nothing to see here.

    Ahmm excuse me, is this the way to a T5 Connie thread?
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ahmm excuse me, is this the way to a T5 Connie thread?

    Well you got to go up the street, take a left, go about five miles, take a left turn, go about five miles or so and you should find a stoplight, take a left and go about five miles.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I clicked into this thread ready to rage at OP, nice one! :o
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The OP designed this thread even with the bait and switch title to create chaos. Can a moderator please lock this thread.
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  • riccardo171riccardo171 Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Without a2b builds, the scimitar wouldn't be so op. The pet are powerful, but not much more than the recluse pet (the frigates), or even the Vo'quv b'rel. Without a2b, your choice would be either easy but not so powerful beamboat, or a more powerful but a lot more difficult to play cannon ship.

    But almost everything start to be op with a2b.



    As for the rest of the topic, lol.

    I agree that AtB makes some ship perform insanely good, as an hardcore Avenger user with double AtB it's plain greatness :)
    Scimitar, I'm not so sure about it. It's heavily dependent on the cloak, shunting auxiliary with all the drains you can have may make it frustrating to pilot. I ended up with using only one AtB to reduce CD and overcap weapon power with a thoron infused core. By the time ambush has finished, AtB effect is gone and I cloak freely using AtD to get free from holds and stuff. :)
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Misleading title. I stopped reading any further the moment I realized it.
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