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skollulfrskollulfr Member Posts: 5,407 Arc User
maximum warp, 20ish according to the gui,
in sector space im covering 5ly in about 16 seconds

at full impulse, 170ish according to the gui,(what does that even mean?)
in system space im covering 10km in about 3.2 seconds


946'073'047'259.8km (lightyear)
x 5
=4'730'365'236'299km
/ 16 (32 for w10?)
=295'647'827'267 km/s for warp 20
(=147'823'913'634 km/s for warp 10)

147'823'913'634
/ 299'792.5 km/s (being the speed of light)
493'087 c for warp 10

so, unless i screwed up with my very rusty maths, warp 10 in game is just shy of 500000 times the speed of light:confused:


10 km
/3.2 sec
=3.1 km/s

mach 1 = 1'235 km/h / 60 / 60 = .343 km/s

3.1km/s
/
.343km/s
=

170 impulse(full impulse) = mach 9.2?
38 impulse(not full impulse) mach 2?

probably messed something up, been years since i'v had to do more than grocery maths.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The distances in STO aren't really accurate either.....
  • darthstormstrikedarthstormstrike Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just don't think too hard on it. The distances are screwy in the game anyhow. Just roll with it.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Realistically it should take weeks to get from Earth to Deep Space Nine. I'd like to think we are travelling at the correct speeds, and the reason we travel from point A to point B this fast is because the captain suddenly has memory loss. :)
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  • darthstormstrikedarthstormstrike Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited March 2014


    I used to really like that show when Joel was the host. I didn't like his replacement as much.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    There are some people who have pushed sector space travel as fast as possible and hit warp 50. Warp 50 equals 2,629,799.6 times the speed of light when plugged into your formula. At that rate, you could travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in a year... over 26 times.

    At this point, if you were still holding onto some semblance of reality, drop it now. :P
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  • gerudongerudon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It would kinda suck, if a travel from ESD to DS9 would take like a week or so. :D

    And yeah, Warp 10+ shouldn't be possible in the first place, but even the shows had problems with that, just remember Threshold, one of the most awful episode of any ST show.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Sector space works on time compression, like the overworld in a JRPG where characters look bigger than cities and can traverse hundreds of miles in a few minutes, but combat and conversation take place in alternate, zoomed in spaces.



    As for actual speeds in terms of c, at least for warp drive I've been doing some calculations on that for my monthly articles on the 12th Fleet blog based on tech manual formulas and one I derived a few years back based on Star Trek magazine quotes about Threshold, but it probably won't run until the end of April.

    gerudon wrote: »
    It would kinda suck, if a travel from ESD to DS9 would take like a week or so. :D

    And yeah, Warp 10+ shouldn't be possible in the first place, but even the shows had problems with that, just remember Threshold, one of the most awful episode of any ST show.

    If you actually break 10, it switches to a transwarp scale.

    Threshold was the only episode that treated what the TNG tech manual said about warp 10 as true - most episodes it was just a speed (most TNG and later episodes at least acknowledged it as impossible to attain, but still just a speed, one which the Enterprise broke three times, not counting All Good Things). Two episodes of TOS and one movie acknowledged it as something special, but not explicitly infinite.
  • foundrelicfoundrelic Member Posts: 1,380 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Realistically it should take weeks to get from Earth to Deep Space Nine. I'd like to think we are travelling at the correct speeds, and the reason we travel from point A to point B this fast is because the captain suddenly has memory loss. :)

    The show skirts this issue by using the Warp bubble to suspend space around the vessel while moving well beyond the Light speed limit.


    Easiest (Though faulty i'll admit) comparison is.

    You're in your car going 30MPH.

    YOU are not moving 30MPH but the thing wrapped around you IS.
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    foundrelic wrote: »
    The show skirts this issue by using the Warp bubble to suspend space around the vessel while moving well beyond the Light speed limit.


    Easiest (Though faulty i'll admit) comparison is.

    You're in your car going 30MPH.

    YOU are not moving 30MPH but the thing wrapped around you IS.
    I am well aware on how the warp engine works. That's not what Skollulfr was discussing (nor I was referring to).
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  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The game makes a lot more sense if you factor in 'actual time' for things like travelling. Its not like all the events take place in a couple of days. The whole game is the career of an officer, which is why you do all this stuff and go through several ships.

    At least that's how I try and justify it. This doesn't recognise the fact everything is in 2409. :rolleyes:
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I used to really like that show when Joel was the host. I didn't like his replacement as much.

    We are not starting a Joel vs Mike argument on this forum again. :P
  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    voporak wrote: »
    There are some people who have pushed sector space travel as fast as possible and hit warp 50. Warp 50 equals 2,629,799.6 times the speed of light when plugged into your formula. At that rate, you could travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in a year... over 26 times.

    At this point, if you were still holding onto some semblance of reality, drop it now. :P

    So basically what your saying is the powers that be should be implementing Intergalactic Exploration divisions immediately.
    If we can travel end to end in our galaxy 26 times in a year(100,000 light years x 26) then surely we can traverse the 25,000 light years to Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy frequently. or even the Sagittarius Dwarf Eliptical Galaxy at 70,000 light years away.

    Perhaps we should approach the other powers that be, and suggest a United Federation of Galaxy's.
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  • tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    gerudon wrote: »
    It would kinda suck, if a travel from ESD to DS9 would take like a week or so. :D

    And yeah, Warp 10+ shouldn't be possible in the first place, but even the shows had problems with that, just remember Threshold, one of the most awful episode of any ST show.

    Would it suck? :P

    And the Warp 10+ theory not being possible is irrelevant, as in real life, noone has even ever achieved Warp 1 to see what would happen.
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    voporak wrote: »
    There are some people who have pushed sector space travel as fast as possible and hit warp 50. Warp 50 equals 2,629,799.6 times the speed of light when plugged into your formula. At that rate, you could travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in a year... over 26 times.

    At this point, if you were still holding onto some semblance of reality, drop it now. :P

    WIth speeds like that we should be able to explore other galaxies... :eek:
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    But seriously, it only takes minutes to fly across the game map because players would get bored sitting around waiting to get there otherwise. "Realistically" (within the game fiction) it should take several days to get say, from Earth to Qo'nos, but STO, unlike some other MMOs such as Final Fantasy XI and XIV, does not implement a game-world clock showing game-time running faster than real-time.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Back in the day we went light speed, but Light speed was too slow, so STO has since gone into plaid.
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    gerudon wrote: »
    It would kinda suck, if a travel from ESD to DS9 would take like a week or so. :D

    And yeah, Warp 10+ shouldn't be possible in the first place, but even the shows had problems with that, just remember Threshold, one of the most awful episode of any ST show.

    Yeah, taking a week to get to DS9 would suck :)
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  • darthstormstrikedarthstormstrike Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The game makes a lot more sense if you factor in 'actual time' for things like travelling. Its not like all the events take place in a couple of days. The whole game is the career of an officer, which is why you do all this stuff and go through several ships.

    At least that's how I try and justify it. This doesn't recognise the fact everything is in 2409. :rolleyes:


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  • bumperthumperbumperthumper Member Posts: 513 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    But seriously, it only takes minutes to fly across the game map because players would get bored sitting around waiting to get there otherwise. "Realistically" (within the game fiction) it should take several days to get say, from Earth to Qo'nos, but STO, unlike some other MMOs such as Final Fantasy XI and XIV, does not implement a game-world clock showing game-time running faster than real-time.

    Actually, has anyone taken a log of the Stardates? It's possible the game has it's own mechanics for telling time. I'll check it out when I get back on if nobody has tried it yet.
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  • gerudongerudon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hevach wrote: »
    If you actually break 10, it switches to a transwarp scale.

    Threshold was the only episode that treated what the TNG tech manual said about warp 10 as true - most episodes it was just a speed (most TNG and later episodes at least acknowledged it as impossible to attain, but still just a speed, one which the Enterprise broke three times, not counting All Good Things). Two episodes of TOS and one movie acknowledged it as something special, but not explicitly infinite.


    Yeah, I know. It would have probably been quite confusing for the average audience, if the faster ship does now Warp 9,9995 instead of 9,6 and that that is somehow twice as fast or whatever. :rolleyes:
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    voporak wrote: »
    There are some people who have pushed sector space travel as fast as possible and hit warp 50. Warp 50 equals 2,629,799.6 times the speed of light when plugged into your formula. At that rate, you could travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in a year... over 26 times.

    At this point, if you were still holding onto some semblance of reality, drop it now. :P

    ...or traverse the milkyway galaxy in 2 weeks
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  • tobar26thtobar26th Member Posts: 799 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just don't think too hard on it. The distances are screwy in the game anyhow. Just roll with it.

    Yeah I think your best bet here is to take it as being a slight time lapse, it isn't actually taking you five seconds to travel 16 light years, it takes you 5 days, but it's scaled down for you to avoid boredom ;-)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just don't think too hard on it. The distances are screwy in Star Trek anyhow. Just roll with it.
    Fixed. :P

    Anyways, the idea of capping speeds at Warp 10 was bonkers.... but we're stuck with it. (for reference, TOS, TAS, and some TNG eps use a more linear warp scale where speeds are measured more logically as a function of the speed of light rather than "infinite" velocity.
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  • tobar26thtobar26th Member Posts: 799 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    And let's not forget the NX-01 doing Quo'nos and back in 1.5 hours ;-)
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,791 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Yeah, taking a week to get to DS9 would suck :)
    'Ok, now to do the Cardassian missions! Course plotted to DS9. Wait, a week!?! A WEEK!?!?!? FFFFUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!"""



    That is not the way that it would work. It is more like this:

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    Apply your Expertise
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    Come back tomorrow and you will be there.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    warp 9.9 = 0.0007 LY traveled a sec.

    so warp 19.8 should be 0.0014 LY a sec.

    29.7 should be 0.0021 LY a sec.

    if you want another way of saying it about 4 billion miles a second for warp 9.9, so 12 billion miles a second at warp 29.7.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tobar26th wrote: »
    And let's not forget the NX-01 doing Quo'nos and back in 1.5 hours ;-)

    Oh, the rage I felt when I saw that happen.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Going full warp speed in sector space (without using the slipstream), I am flying at warp 9.97.

    What is the actual speed? Dunno... don't really care...
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh, the rage I felt when I saw that happen.

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