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If you could replace the Klingons and/or Romulans

flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
I'm not including the Federation in this question because Star Trek is the Federation (for the most part anyway). You can't really have a game of this magnitude without the Federation as one of the playable factions.

However, if you could change, rotate or replace either the Klingon Defense Force and/or the Romulan Republic, which factions (or alliances) would you go with in their stead? I'm only sticking with three factions here cause ... well, that's all we've got at the moment, though people should feel free to add one or two if they deem it necessary. Hopefully nobody will get too stupid and list 25 different factions, lets try and aim for credible shall we? :cool:

An alternate way of asking this question is: Which playable factions would make the game complete, in your mind to a point that you'd be happy with the playable content?

Feel free to be as descriptive as you like, though lets try to keep things realistic? An alliance consisting of the Ferengi, Undine, Kazon and Tribbles just isn't going to cut it. ;)

Disclaimer; I know this is highly unlikely to happen, though I am curious as to everyone's favorite three (+), and a little fun never hurt anyone. :)
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Lose the Rommies, add the Typhon Pact. Way better justification for multiple species.
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Feel free to be as descriptive as you like, though lets try to keep things realistic? An alliance consisting of the Ferengi, Undine, Kazon and Tribbles just isn't going to cut it. ;)

    Just go ahead and crush my dreams of the Glorious Epohh-Tribble-Nanov Imperium, why don't you? :D

    And I kind of agree with Starsword, the Typhon Pact would be interesting. Kind of disappointed they're not a bigger force in STO, although I suppose that licensing issues notwithstanding, there are a few in-universe reasons it wasn't included.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Tholian, Breen, So'na, Cardassian / True Way alliance.
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  • damienvryce2damienvryce2 Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Typhon Pact? I want to roll a Kinshaya toon. :D
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Heh, the Typhoon Pact. Can't say I'm a great lover of that proposal. I could see some species joining together, maybe the Tzenkethi and Gorn, or the Breen and Tholian, but all of those species together, including a yet unknown species (of mammal) with four legs, two arms and a pair of wings seems a bit much.

    /opinion

    ...and there are people who are against the idea of putting the Jem Hadar with a Cardassian Faction because it would break Trek. :P
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    ...and there are people who are against the idea of putting the Jem Hadar with a Cardassian Faction because it would break Trek. :P

    I still don't get that argument. In-game, the New Dominion is growing it's own Alpha Jem'Hadar. What's to stop a Cardassian faction from doing the same? It's already noted that despite their rigorous conditioning, Jem'Hadar aren't blindly loyal to the founders.

    From a development point of view, it's probably the only way that they'd ever be a playable species.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johngazman wrote: »
    I still don't get that argument. In-game, the New Dominion is growing it's own Alpha Jem'Hadar. What's to stop a Cardassian faction from doing the same? It's already noted that despite their rigorous conditioning, Jem'Hadar aren't blindly loyal to the founders.

    From a development point of view, it's probably the only way that they'd ever be a playable species.
    Oh, I agree with you (if it wasn't clear), it's just whenever I've posted in, or created a topic about a playable Cardassian faction using the Jem Hadar, I get several comments back saying how bad an idea it would be etc. It baffles me too, especially when proposals (such as) the Typhoon Pact are credible and (apparently) desired. :P
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Replace them with the Taco and BranFlakes factions, of course.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'd leave the KDF for sure, but I'd dump the Romulans. I'd then take the Gorn from the KDF and make them their own faction with a full lineup of Gorn ships.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Romulans are destined to rule the stars. You Federation types will also fall beneath the raptor's wings, after the Klingons petition for membership in the New Romulan Republic, at the behest of the Orions. Then there will be only one faction: Romulan. A glorious day that shall be!
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johngazman wrote: »
    I still don't get that argument. In-game, the New Dominion is growing it's own Alpha Jem'Hadar. What's to stop a Cardassian faction from doing the same? It's already noted that despite their rigorous conditioning, Jem'Hadar aren't blindly loyal to the founders.

    From a development point of view, it's probably the only way that they'd ever be a playable species.

    I think it's because Cardassia never actually had the technology to grow Jem'Hadar. So it wouldn't make sense for them to be making Jem'Hadar. You can posit that Cardassia and the Jem'Hadar could ally together, but evidence from DS9 shows that the Jem'Hadar really don't ally with anyone at all. They disliked everyone but other Jem'Hadar. They were so damn cold that the Founders had to make them White addicts just to get them to fight for them.

    I don't really see Jem'Hadar ever becoming playable in a Cardassian faction.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    im not to sure I would replace any of the current however someone did mention having pirate faction, I strait away thought the orion syndicate, you could run raiding parties on unsuspecting colonies from all the other factions plus more besides, plus of course combat with ship to steal their cargo or any other valuables.
    theres also all the other criminal activities that organised crime is famous for, running contraband dealing in arms that kind of thing, slave trading.
    theres loads of possibilities.

    naturally the syndicate would be made up of various races from any of the other factions plus a few more besides.

    of course there would not be repping for good deeds as with the other factions rather anti-repping for criminal activities against the good guys like stealing spying sabotaging ect.

    you could also be in league with the tal shiar and other baddies running missions for them any job that turns a profit for the syndicate.

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    Romulans are destined to rule the stars. You Federation types will also fall beneath the raptor's wings, after the Klingons petition for membership in the New Romulan Republic, at the behest of the Orions. Then there will be only one faction: Romulan. A glorious day that shall be!

    Fat chance the way Cryptic's going.
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Dump the Romulan Republic, insert Romulan Star Empire.

    Alternatively, I would love to see a resurgent Cardassia and/or Dominion faction.

    Breen would have been interesting as a faction or part of another faction, but Cryptic decided to base them entirely off of Arnold Schwarzenegger's portrayal of Mr Freeze....so I'll pass on that.

    If a 'liberated borg' faction like folks keep talking about were ever to appear, I think it would be interesting to base them off of Lore's group rather than Hugh's.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Dump the Romulan Republic, insert Romulan Star Empire.

    Anything to give us more Denise Crosby, I have no problem with. ;)
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited March 2014
    People always mention wanting the Cardassian faction and assume it would have the Dominion as part of it, But why?

    The Dominion is an empire unto themselves so the Cardassians are essentially cannon fodder to be used and discarded as needed the reverse is not true though, how far would the "Dominion war" have gotten without the Cardassians vs without the Dominion?

    Just wondering......
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited March 2014
    Anything to give us more Denise Crosby, I have no problem with. ;)

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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    Denise Crosby can currently be seen in the "Walking Dead" TV series as the 1st contact the group has upon entering Terminus. :eek::eek::eek:

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  • megatronis1megatronis1 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    Romulans are destined to rule the stars. You Federation types will also fall beneath the raptor's wings, after the Klingons petition for membership in the New Romulan Republic, at the behest of the Orions. Then there will be only one faction: Romulan. A glorious day that shall be!



    :rolleyes: Uh huh sure. Can I have your stuff when you go to storm the castle:P


    Cryptic will never allow a 'no strings attached' Romulan faction to exist, unless all their writers suffer a unfortunate decompression accident near the airlock. (sad but true)
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Lose the Rommies, add the Typhon Pact. Way better justification for multiple species.

    To do that though, would probably end up causing us to lose Risa, never get Betazed, and every fed Andorian would be forced to switch to the new faction.

    Or something along those lines.

    In keeping with the inane direction the Typhon Pact storyline went.

    I loved the idea. In concept it was great.

    Then they went ahead and wrote the books and derp-derp-ed it all up.
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  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited March 2014
    There should have only been one faction. The way the KDF and the Romulans are... it is still something of a joke, but less of a joke than before. Starfleet Online!

    Any PvP should treat the opp force as "Mirror".

    The faction setup continues to be a mistake in this game.
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  • genrldestructiongenrldestruction Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think it's because Cardassia never actually had the technology to grow Jem'Hadar. So it wouldn't make sense for them to be making Jem'Hadar. You can posit that Cardassia and the Jem'Hadar could ally together, but evidence from DS9 shows that the Jem'Hadar really don't ally with anyone at all. They disliked everyone but other Jem'Hadar. They were so damn cold that the Founders had to make them White addicts just to get them to fight for them.

    I don't really see Jem'Hadar ever becoming playable in a Cardassian faction.

    There are ruins of Jem'Hadar cloning facilities in Cardassian held space. They could have found some that were still functioning and reverse-engineered and replicated the technology. The Obsidian Order (what's left of them, anyway) are devious enough to ensure that a Jem'Hadar bred for/by them would be completely loyal. And that's not even counting the "alliance" between the Alpha Jem'Hadar and the True Way.

    I think the bigger stumbling block to the idea of Jem'Hadar as a playable race would be this:
    Any Cardassian faction would be a "mini-faction" like the Romulans. Players would get a choice at level 10 whether to ally with the Federation or with the KDF. Neither the Federation nor the KDF have had much luck/trust in genetically engineered/enhanced humanoids. As such, whatever section of Cardassian society we would get access to would probably not create Jem'Hadar.
  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited March 2014
    The biggest issue with a Dominion faction is that Jemhadar and Cardassian ships are Lockbox faction.
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'd remove the Romulans, and add the Breen Confederacy. Breens FTW!
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The biggest issue with a Dominion faction is that Jemhadar and Cardassian ships are Lockbox faction.
    Hasn't stopped them in the past. The Temporal Ships for one, plus the formerly free dyson science ships that are now in the lobi store, the tal shair ships, which are romulan, and the ferengi marauder+shuttle, when ferengi are Federation allies.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think it's because Cardassia never actually had the technology to grow Jem'Hadar. So it wouldn't make sense for them to be making Jem'Hadar. You can posit that Cardassia and the Jem'Hadar could ally together, but evidence from DS9 shows that the Jem'Hadar really don't ally with anyone at all. They disliked everyone but other Jem'Hadar. They were so damn cold that the Founders had to make them White addicts just to get them to fight for them.

    I don't really see Jem'Hadar ever becoming playable in a Cardassian faction.

    Not even going into the technology, but there is no way in hell Cardassia proper will align with anything Dominion related, even the offshoots in the Alpha Quadrant.

    The Jem'Hadar were massacring the Cardassian population during the final battle of Cardassia. Also, it was the Dominion that were using the Cardassians as fodder to shield Jem'Hadar forces and even the Breen when they entered the alliance.

    Not to mention that the Cardassian military never really recovered from the war and are actually dependent on the Federation for security. The Cardassians took MASSIVE military and civilian losses.

    As far as replacing factions, I'd say keep the Feds, keep the Klingon Empire, and remove the Romulan Republic. Replace them with the Romulan Star Empire.

    Then all will be right and proper.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Even if Cardassia did have cloning vats the massive bombardment of the planet would of wrecked them like everything else .

    Also the KDF has to stay, otherwise there wouldn't be a faction to scream about that is OP :)
  • damienvryce2damienvryce2 Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Heh, the Typhoon Pact. Can't say I'm a great lover of that proposal. I could see some species joining together, maybe the Tzenkethi and Gorn, or the Breen and Tholian, but all of those species together, including a yet unknown species (of mammal) with four legs, two arms and a pair of wings seems a bit much.

    /opinion

    ...and there are people who are against the idea of putting the Jem Hadar with a Cardassian Faction because it would break Trek. :P

    Well if I can't be a Kinshaya, can I at least be a glowy, bendy Tzenkethi? :(
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    There are ruins of Jem'Hadar cloning facilities in Cardassian held space. They could have found some that were still functioning and reverse-engineered and replicated the technology. The Obsidian Order (what's left of them, anyway) are devious enough to ensure that a Jem'Hadar bred for/by them would be completely loyal. And that's not even counting the "alliance" between the Alpha Jem'Hadar and the True Way.

    That still sounds way too "Deus Ex Machina", even for Star Trek. The Order was dead before the Dominion ever occupied Cardassia and most of the Cloning centers were most likely bombed to hell by the Defiant during the Occupation.

    It's just not plausible.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I don't see anything better. So no I wouldn't.
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