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grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
Hey there I got your attention didn't I ?
Well here is my thing just hear me out before you decide.

First what you think off all the useless stuff Cryptic is throwing at us ?
I think they should reward us just with 3 things in this game in PVE or PVP or STF.
I think at the end of a PVE mission they should only reward us with Energy credits.
In a PVP match they should reward us with Dilithium or Energy Credits
In a STF they should reward us with the Marks and Dilithium .

And just clean up stores and make accurate stores to get what we want or sell what we want.
In exchange they should change it if you like to get paid in EC, DILL, or Marks or GPL .

How you like this Idea please tell us ?
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Yes please stop making content! This makes sense - we've all seen how that turned out. Go back to the Atari era stone-age why don't we?

    We won't have a game left, that makes more sense right?
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Define "useless stuff."
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Cryptic needs to make money to keep the game going, and the people who make c-store and lockbox items aren't the same people making missions, rep, or other game systems. So no, they don't need to stop making stuff.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hey... at least they are trying to fix the mistakes they've made.

    The current revamps are admission of guild... "We screwed up, we know you have these things and don't want us to take it away, so we are going to do our best to fix it while we still can".
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Hey... at least they are trying to fix the mistakes they've made.

    Nice joke xD. :D
  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    "Stop making content, we don't want it." There I corrected the OP's post.:rolleyes:
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,791 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yes please stop making content! This makes sense - we've all seen how that turned out. Go back to the Atari era stone-age why don't we?

    We won't have a game left, that makes more sense right?


    Hey! I happen to really like 'Combat' on the 2600. I still play it. The tank section is a great multiplayer game. Especially the one with the bouncing ammo.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Woot, no content! Can't wait!
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  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    jslyn wrote: »
    Hey! I happen to really like 'Combat' on the 2600. I still play it. The tank section is a great multiplayer game. Especially the one with the bouncing ammo.
    No not THAT Atari stone age :P, the STO Atari Stone Age where we had barely any content due to lack of funding and support.
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,791 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No not THAT Atari stone age :P, the STO Atari Stone Age where we had barely any content due to lack of funding and support.



    Oh. Well in that case, carry on. :D
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No not THAT Atari stone age :P, the STO Atari Stone Age where we had barely any content due to lack of funding and support.

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    There were no cups. In the kitchen.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    First what you think off all the useless stuff Cryptic is throwing at us ?

    I think it's great. Shows they're making stuff for other people not just me.
    How you like this Idea please tell us ?

    Who is this "us" you refer to?

    Your idea to streamline things is an ok idea. But not something they're going to do.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Nice joke xD. :D

    Trying to != Actually doing...

    BUT, you have to admit that the potential Power-creep that would eventually have build up would have been harmful to the game.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited March 2014
    If I read this correctly, I think he's not saying "stop making content" he's saying "consolidate all rewards into just three currencies and revise the stores accordingly"
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    If I read this correctly, I think he's not saying "stop making content" he's saying "consolidate all rewards into just three currencies and revise the stores accordingly"

    Yup. It's a solid idea. And I totally understand the desire for that.

    But, it's not something they are looking to do to the game. They're looking at adding more incentive, so more types of things to collect or grind for (or just play for).

    So yeah, at face value, it's a good suggestion. But in the context of the game and where the company is taking the game, not an idea I see them doing.
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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited March 2014
    Yeah the idea isn't without merit. They've done currency consolidation before, as I'm sure some of us remember.
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  • marcel314marcel314 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I agree with you op,
    the amount of currencies is too much.
    We got gpl, lobi, dili, ec, 4 mark types based on reps ( soon 5 ), fleet marks, zen and commodities needed for most reps and fleet projects.
    Wasn't there a currency revamp some years ago?

    Wow...we got +14 posts already but only three of those focused on what op tries to tell, the rest was trolling or only reading the title...
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I want to commend the OP for actually solving all the problems in every MMO ! People complain about everything, ergo creating nothing means that no one would ever complain ! :D
  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Wow...we got +14 posts already but only three of those focused on what op tries to tell, the rest was trolling or only reading the title...

    Well, when the OP hides his real idea behind a trolling title, what would you expect :cool:
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marcel314 wrote: »
    Wasn't there a currency revamp some years ago?

    Yeah, but that was a bit of a shell game and one of Stahl's bigger blunders. It was hyped up to us the players as a currency revamp. And the players took that hype and ran with it thinking it would be really the kind of thing that the OP is getting at.

    But it turned out it was just a consolidation of the older currency system to pave the way for the newer F2P model, so we ended up with a whole bunch of currencies anyways.

    So yeah, there was a currency revamp. It wasn't much of a revamp.

    ;)
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  • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It seems to me we should only need two currencies in-game: One that is purchased with real-world funds (i.e. Zen) and one that can only be earned in-game (EC). Lobi and dil could then be converted to Zen, everything else (GPL, rep/fleet marks, etc.) to EC.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, but that was a bit of a shell game and one of Stahl's bigger blunders. It was hyped up to us the players as a currency revamp. And the players took that hype and ran with it thinking it would be really the kind of thing that the OP is getting at.

    But it turned out it was just a consolidation of the older currency system to pave the way for the newer F2P model, so we ended up with a whole bunch of currencies anyways.

    So yeah, there was a currency revamp. It wasn't much of a revamp.

    ;)
    Well, it also was used to get rid of a bunch of currencies that were utterly useless even before F2P. Especially the level bound ones. It took so long to earn the marks of exploration that you needed to get low level gear that you'd out level the gear before you got it. Feh. We're better off without them.

    Anyways, those old marks had their stores get merged to make the dil store.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I wasn't referring only at the currencies I was refering on when you end a mission you get a shield or armor what is green and useless because we already own good stuff...

    For instance when you finish the tutorial you get Mark I stuff, why for crying out loud !!!
    What the heck I wanna do with Mk I when I started a new char I made sure I had zen so I converted on the char in Dilithium I bought stuff from the store Green Mk II stuff !!!

    So instead of getting Mk I stuff give me EC at the end of a mission Thats what I was refering too !!!

    Also Exchange if I sell stuff I want to earn a currency what I need most so make it possible to do that like some posts before I stated that not all people have the time to run 2500 missions again and again to get their weapons or end gear console .

    By the way don't you think cryptic is making more then enough money on new ships and stuff ??

    Same thing they bring something for few weeks it's working great after that they nerf it...
    Like Phasers, Tricobalt Torpedo, The Hargh'peng Torpedo there all nerfed to a state useless to the player I wish they stop doing that.

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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    I wasn't referring only at the currencies I was refering on when you end a mission you get a shield or armor what is green and useless because we already own good stuff...

    For instance when you finish the tutorial you get Mark I stuff, why for crying out loud !!!
    What the heck I wanna do with Mk I when I started a new char I made sure I had zen so I converted on the char in Dilithium I bought stuff from the store Green Mk II stuff !!!

    So instead of getting Mk I stuff give me EC at the end of a mission Thats what I was refering too !!!

    Also Exchange if I sell stuff I want to earn a currency what I need most so make it possible to do that like some posts before I stated that not all people have the time to run 2500 missions again and again to get their weapons or end gear console .

    By the way don't you think cryptic is making more then enough money on new ships and stuff ??

    Same thing they bring something for few weeks it's working great after that they nerf it...
    Like Phasers, Tricobalt Torpedo, The Hargh'peng Torpedo there all nerfed to a state useless to the player I wish they stop doing that.

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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Phasers are still usefull. I realise Disruptors are better, but Phasers are still good.
    I still use the Hagh'peng on my KDF

    Well yes their good for doing 1200 DPS with other words in STF or PVP term their useless !!!
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, it also was used to get rid of a bunch of currencies that were utterly useless even before F2P. Especially the level bound ones. It took so long to earn the marks of exploration that you needed to get low level gear that you'd out level the gear before you got it. Feh. We're better off without them.

    Anyways, those old marks had their stores get merged to make the dil store.

    Absolutely. I agree. The merging of the old currencies did clear that up. But overall people bought into the idea of a currency revamp and the way it ended up, we really did get a whole lot of other currencies, so people still come up with ideas to consolidate and streamline currencies.

    Which are good ideas, like this original post when you sit down and kind of translate the words.

    But I just don't see it happening because even when they did do a currency revamp, it wasn't really designed to be that kind of revamp. Like you say, we got the dil store. And F2P was off and running. And we now have 4 reps with a 5th on the way. And the change to rep powers indicates more reps are on the way. I'm guessing a streamlined set of currencies, as presented by the OP, isn't in the cards.

    :)
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    I wasn't referring only at the currencies I was refering on when you end a mission you get a shield or armor what is green and useless because we already own good stuff...

    Vendor trash can be sold for EC. And I do believe your idea was to simply skip the step and have the mission reward that amount of EC?

    I think functionally this wasn't done in the beginning because on everyone's first time through, some of those rewards do get used. Four years later, yeah, there's a huge backlog of green Mk X items that everyone just vendors. But the vendor step was needed in the beginning. And some new players still use stuff they collect. There was even a thread the other day by someone who has chosen to use only stuff they get as rewards or drops while levelling.
    For instance when you finish the tutorial you get Mark I stuff, why for crying out loud !!!
    What the heck I wanna do with Mk I when I started a new char I made sure I had zen so I converted on the char in Dilithium I bought stuff from the store Green Mk II stuff !!!

    My advice would be to use the starter gear you get for free (MK I) and any drops you get. And just level past that to the next level band. Heck, I'd not spend a single refined crystal on gear until level 50. It's just not worth it.
    Also Exchange if I sell stuff I want to earn a currency what I need most so make it possible to do that like some posts before I stated that not all people have the time to run 2500 missions again and again to get their weapons or end gear console .

    That's in the game on purpose. They're not going to allow you to sidestep the Marks and Dil costs of end-game gear. They're certainly not going to allow them to be exchanged.
    By the way don't you think cryptic is making more then enough money on new ships and stuff ??

    Yup. This is Star Trek. Star Trek fans LOVE buying new Star Trek Collectibles. Like ships in their favorite video game.
    Same thing they bring something for few weeks it's working great after that they nerf it...
    Like Phasers, Tricobalt Torpedo, The Hargh'peng Torpedo there all nerfed to a state useless to the player I wish they stop doing that.

    They never nerfed phasers. Tricobalts took well over 2 years to get nerfed. I forget how long Pengas took, but it was more than a few weeks.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited March 2014
    I wasn't around for the old Marks of Exploration and other marks they used to have. But with the current Rep marks, we actually do have more of a use for them. Don't need anything from that Rep store? Convert to Dilithium!
    Frankly what I'd like to see is more availablility of the various marks. Omega's one of the easiest to get, followed by Dyson and Romulan. Nukara is... not even on the list. There's only so much of running around Nukara Prime you can do, and the payout for doing Azure is kinda low.

    Now... GPL? That is a useless currency. I mean... what DO we use it for anyways? consumible holoemitters and cosmetic trophies that we'll rarely see on our ship! Occasionally a DOff assignment. Latinum is pretty useless in my opinion and needs a serious look for a revamp.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rattler2 wrote: »
    GPL? That is a useless currency. I mean... what DO we use it for anyways? consumible holoemitters

    Those holo emitters are the full realization of PVP's biggest fear. Your ship looks like one thing, but is another thing! Also it looks like something they feel shouldn't be in PVP.

    Going by one of the most common complaints against having a T5 Miranda or T5 NX, apparently PVPers fear facing ships that look like starter ships but are packing T5 layouts. So holo emittes are the big bad bogeyman that makes that nightmare possible for awhile.

    Unless of course, those complainers are lying. Then I have no clue what good holo emitters are.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited March 2014
    Well... maybe in PvP its a good way to disguise your ship so they don't really know what you're flying, but outside of PvP its just for the hell of it.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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