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moosoomanmoosooman Member Posts: 38 Arc User
Ok I'm a fairly new player here and I seem to see a lot of threads moaning about changes to the game and things that should be changed and iv'e read through a lot of these threads in the hope of getting a rounded view of the direction in which the game is taking.

So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

As a new player I'd like to extend satisfaction with the game I think this game is fantastic and naturally there is some things I would change, but I won't let that get in the way.

too many people concentrate on the negatives and not the positives.

at least they are keeping the game moving

Salve
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  • hornet6hornet6 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I share the sentiments of the OP. The game is enjoyable and fun but since "Perfection exists only in the mind of the gods" (Plato) it is not perfect. Besides, if it were perfect, it would become boring.

    It is obvious that the devs are working diligently on it because changes (mostly positive) are being made and the game is then obviously a living work in progress. I hope they are making a lot of money from the game because I want it to go on for a long time, forever even. I like it. I like the people (even many of the jerks I encounter I find entertaining).

    I like to contribute to the game once in awhile so I buy things from the c-store that I don't even really need (Ok, so I don't really need to buy a costume that allows me to dress my female Vulcan boff in a skirt but big deal. We all have our idiosycrisies and affectations. Besides, I still refuse to dress my Orion women in bikinis. They wear Klingon uniforms just like everyone else!)

    We should not however discount the very important contribution of the chronic complainer or whiner. They serve an extremely important function.

    I believe it was George Bernard Shaw who once stated that "The reasonable man attempts to adapt himself to the world. The unreasonable man attempts to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man"

    As long as we have Devs who work hard and hopefully listen to and hear the chronic complainers, and as long as we have complainers who will continue to chronically complain, the game will keep growing and developing and I will be able to continue to have fun and enjoy the game. And since the world is, of course, all about me, all will be right with the world.
    ANOTHER NERF !?!
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hornet6 wrote: »
    We should not however discount the very important contribution of the chronic complainer or whiner. They serve an extremely important function.

    I believe it was George Bernard Shaw who once stated that "The reasonable man attempts to adapt himself to the world. The unreasonable man attempts to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man"

    As long as we have Devs who work hard and hopefully listen to and hear the chronic complainers, and as long as we have complainers who will continue to chronically complain, the game will keep growing and developing and I will be able to continue to have fun and enjoy the game. And since the world is, of course, all about me, all will be right with the world.

    thanks friend, I never thought of it in that way before, from here on I will stop being annoyed by player's who rubbish my favourite game and see them and the trash they spout for the necessary function they provide.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    moosooman wrote: »
    Ok I'm a fairly new player here and I seem to see a lot of threads moaning about changes to the game and things that should be changed and iv'e read through a lot of these threads in the hope of getting a rounded view of the direction in which the game is taking.

    So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

    As a new player I'd like to extend satisfaction with the game I think this game is fantastic and naturally there is some things I would change, but I won't let that get in the way.

    too many people concentrate on the negatives and not the positives.

    at least they are keeping the game moving

    Salve
    Here's an example.

    The Galaxy threadnought down in the Federation Shipyards thread. The Galaxy-R sucks. People have suggested multiple ways of fixing/changing the ship to make it perform a little better.

    What does Cryptic do? They don't change it at all.

    Not a catch-22 here. If they changed it, tons of people would suddenly find it useful/an improvement over the old one. But Cryptic, specifically Geko on the dev team, decided to be stubborn as frak and leave the ship where it is... which is causing backlash in the revamp feedback threads.

    Cryptic and its dev team can be great at times, I'll give them that. On the other hand, they have repeatedly made some really stupid and boneheaded decisions over the years.

    I, and others, are forced to focus on the negatives because 1) there are no changes to broken game mechanics, or 2) a change negatively affects game mechanics (example, last year's baseball problem, or SS+doffs, or severe Sci nerfing, etc). Negatives which affect how we play, and also whether our hard work into our characters gets thrown completely out the window.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    moosooman wrote: »
    Ok I'm a fairly new player here and I seem to see a lot of threads moaning about changes to the game and things that should be changed and iv'e read through a lot of these threads in the hope of getting a rounded view of the direction in which the game is taking.

    Well you being new and enjoying the game as is, shouldn't have any issues with the game itself, since you've joined into a new revamped system.

    A revamped system in and of itself, especially the way Cryptic does it, is a double edge sword. They do somethings right, but break, nerf, and even ignore the things that go wrong with their game.

    I have been playing STO since BETA and have witness the evolution of the game from the start. I have an understanding of the ongoing issues, that many veteran players like myself, have witness during many of Cryptiic's infamous patches.

    Many of these changes are understandable, since they are business decisions, while others are mere bone headed decisions, unnecessary nerfing and changes, and clear disrespect for the ip and the Trek fanbase. Trust me, Cryptic has done alot of those over the past few years.

    moosooman wrote: »
    So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

    People will always complain about something, so gratifying the entire Trek fanbase is impossible, but here is the problem, their bone headed decision making on many aspects of this game has led to a bit of a backlash, mostly from veteran players, PvPers, NON-FED Faction players such as the KDF crowd etc...

    I read many of the player's critiques, and trust me, many folks here have good and very valid points - Though we do have our share of Forum trollers who love opening threads for the mere thrill of igniting a firestorm.
    moosooman wrote: »
    As a new player I'd like to extend satisfaction with the game I think this game is fantastic and naturally there is some things I would change, but I won't let that get in the way.

    too many people concentrate on the negatives and not the positives.

    at least they are keeping the game moving

    Salve

    You said it, as a new player you like the game at the point you began playing, and that is the intention of Cryptic, where they're more focus on the newer playerbase. That's because they are just entering the arena and are willing to spend more of their hard earn cash on the game.

    Cryptic is hard pressed to earn more money as quickly as possible, so they're focus is on how to nerf somethings down to continue the grind machine, to maintain the playerbase in the game longer. They continue to add more Lock Boxes, more grinding, lesser rewards, they nerf skills, they do not fix skills, nor balance the game etc... for example, sci skills are still under powered.

    There are many things that are wrong with the game since it first began, I admit, they made some improvements like cutscenes, re-inventing older episodes, and introducing awesome new tutorials etc... They have done some remarkable things in the past few years. Unfortunately; things that really matter, such as game mechanics, BUGs etc... are ignored or place back too deep in the back burner.

    Yet they complain about not able to afford enough coffee cups in the break room :rolleyes: -> A joke us Veteran players are all to familiar with.

    Has the game improved since launched? Sure

    Is there room for improvement? Of course, always

    However; that being said, they have neglected many things, they have ignored the good suggestions and recommendations of many of its playerbase.

    Nuff said
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  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I only will say, prepare yourself for the new revamped system. 200 new bugs added to the list, 30 more broken things and go on. This happens with almost every patch cryptic launches, so imagine with a new revamped system xD. Im just saying.. you guys should grab a really comfortable chair to sit when the new big change comes out. It could be an hecatomb. LOL-
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    moosooman wrote: »

    So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

    This is the fallacy that is thrown around far too often.

    Essentially it states 'managing how we let the player base influence us is hard, lets not do it'

    Yup, it isnt easy, just like managing customers isnt easy.

    I feel for poor old Hawk, who got a right spanking from dev blog 5.

    But, he has done exactly the right thing.

    Not shied away from the criticism, not become absent.

    Instead he is doing the dev version of a grind, sorry, goal oriented behaviour.

    When we give up criticisng, because it does no good, this is not a healthy place to be.
  • catliketypingcatliketyping Member Posts: 611
    edited March 2014
    The thing about the "KDF crowd" (who are supposedly non-Fed, including those who had to level up just to play KDF?)... there are just plain broken things on the KDF side, and not just a few and not just from recent patching. Maybe having a functional tailor is not important gameplay, but the tailor is at best semi-functional for KDF. Armor and kit graphics (LOL). Male voices for females. Wrong animations. There is a list of broken or bugged things in the KDF board.

    Beam cruisers being hero ships, and BoPs being fodder, that is something of a design choice that i can understand. Nonfunctioning or malfunctioning game elements are less understandable.
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  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Here's an example.

    The Galaxy threadnought down in the Federation Shipyards thread. The Galaxy-R sucks. People have suggested multiple ways of fixing/changing the ship to make it perform a little better.

    What does Cryptic do? They don't change it at all.
    ....

    On the other hand, the majority of posts in these threads are being made by a small group of people. So its not as if theirs rampant demand for this kind of thing...

    Keep in mind that the majority of STO players never visit or post on the Forums, and forum posters only represent a loud minority. And the fact that STO have been increasing the numbers of active players throughout the last year does say something on the health of the game...
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    moosooman wrote: »
    Ok I'm a fairly new player here and I seem to see a lot of threads moaning about changes to the game and things that should be changed and iv'e read through a lot of these threads in the hope of getting a rounded view of the direction in which the game is taking.

    So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

    As a new player I'd like to extend satisfaction with the game I think this game is fantastic and naturally there is some things I would change, but I won't let that get in the way.

    too many people concentrate on the negatives and not the positives.

    at least they are keeping the game moving

    Salve

    all of it is a moot point no matter what. PWE is not here to listen to our comments besides critical issues like server outages, beyond this they create their own ideas and content and we just happen to play it, there is no entitlement to ideas on this game because we are just throw away customers, being brutually honest but the accounts we have on this game can be shut down by pwe without needing to inform us or needing to tell us why as we rent the accounts for use. they also do not need to tell us anything on what they are pulling into the game and what they will buff or nerf. This is basically the truth point which people seem to ignore.

    so you can demand until you are blue in the face, PWE will only do something if the majority of the community have a problem with something. this is why i do not make suggestions because its a wasted effort.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014

    Keep in mind that the majority of STO players never visit or post on the Forums, and forum posters only represent a loud minority.

    Good grief, this canard again

    Tell me why the opinions of people who post on the fora are not proportional to the rest of the player base.

    Go on, tell me.

    Because, this statistic (which gets lower with time and the need to discredit forum posts) is being used as an excuse to ignore the fora.

    So, why aren't the opinions of forum posters proportional to the rest of the player base?

    Because, if they are proportional, then ignoring the opinions of the foa is the same as ignoring the opinion of everyone.
  • gurugeorgegurugeorge Member Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    moosooman wrote: »
    Ok I'm a fairly new player here and I seem to see a lot of threads moaning about changes to the game and things that should be changed and iv'e read through a lot of these threads in the hope of getting a rounded view of the direction in which the game is taking.

    So I'm thinking there is demands for this and demands for that some of them reasonable some of them not so reasonable and on the balance of things the staff seem to have a catch 22 situation they leave things as they are people moan they change things people moan

    As a new player I'd like to extend satisfaction with the game I think this game is fantastic and naturally there is some things I would change, but I won't let that get in the way.

    too many people concentrate on the negatives and not the positives.

    at least they are keeping the game moving

    Salve

    It's about the same with every MMO, the forums are a cesspit of perpetual whining and don't give a good impression of the game. WoW, the most successful MMO ever, has exactly the same "tone" in its forums (actually at times it's been much, much worse). EVE, another s-f game beloved by many, also has extended periods of butthurt and whining on the forums. It really doesn't mean much, it's just a tiny percentage of people who play the game who like to sound off on forums (hey, me too! :) ). Sometimes it's representative (i.e. representative of what the silent majority thinks), but most often it's not. The times when it's actually representative are quite easy to distinguish from the times when it isn't - i.e. usually such threads have large numbers of people commenting who have never commented before, and that's when you can tell, because if lots of people who haven't bothered to comment before suddenly do, you know something's up. But most of the time, whine threads are just "the usual suspects".

    Also, a lot of whining is well meant after all - often it's because people do like the game and want it to be even better, and I'm sure the devs do appreciate having the feedback in that form too (although I doubt they'd put whining from a minority above what they get from their own data).

    Also, as a more general point, as biological creates we seem to be wired to notice problems more than things going well. Good news is boring news. This syndrome can be observed throughout the media, and in the way demagogues and politicians sway public opinion if they can present the idea that there's some sort of crisis about which they, and only they, can "do something".
  • thyrnecristhyrnecris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    all of it is a moot point no matter what. PWE is not here to listen to our comments besides critical issues like server outages, beyond this they create their own ideas and content and we just happen to play it, there is no entitlement to ideas on this game because we are just throw away customers, being brutually honest but the accounts we have on this game can be shut down by pwe without needing to inform us or needing to tell us why as we rent the accounts for use. they also do not need to tell us anything on what they are pulling into the game and what they will buff or nerf. This is basically the truth point which people seem to ignore.

    so you can demand until you are blue in the face, PWE will only do something if the majority of the community have a problem with something. this is why i do not make suggestions because its a wasted effort.

    Keep in mind that even when PWE messes up something due to Hardware failures (and not having ANY redundancy at all!), it is clearly a problem on PLAYER side, when more and more people get booted from the game, unable to even start the Launcher.

    To the OP: I welcome you, being a new player. Currently, the Game is going to be changed, in a way that you will be capable of catching up faster with older, Veteran Players, by retroactively limiting their ability to bring things with them that they earned by investing time. If you decide to play this game for a longer time and want to 'proof' yourself and your ship against further changes like the ones currently in the works, you might start informing you about the possibilities that the Itemshop (Zen Store) offers, since those Assets are the most unlikely to be changed.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hornet6 wrote: »
    We should not however discount the very important contribution of the chronic complainer or whiner. They serve an extremely important function.

    I believe it was George Bernard Shaw who once stated that "The reasonable man attempts to adapt himself to the world. The unreasonable man attempts to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man"

    As long as we have Devs who work hard and hopefully listen to and hear the chronic complainers, and as long as we have complainers who will continue to chronically complain, the game will keep growing and developing and I will be able to continue to have fun and enjoy the game. And since the world is, of course, all about me, all will be right with the world.

    sorry after playing mirror event today I have reavaluated your statement, players complained about the lul in action at the end of the first part if you managed to close all the rifts and eliminate all the mirror ships hoping to have the second part start sooner if this happened, the devs answer to this is to have the rifts respawn endlessly it seems so no matter how many you close there will always be more thus making it impossible to eliminate all the ships.
    frankly in light of this I think the complainers should keep their opinions to themselves.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    sorry after playing mirror event today I have reavaluated your statement, players complained about the lul in action at the end of the first part if you managed to close all the rifts and eliminate all the mirror ships hoping to have the second part start sooner if this happened, the devs answer to this is to have the rifts respawn endlessly it seems so no matter how many you close there will always be more thus making it impossible to eliminate all the ships.
    frankly in light of this I think the complainers should keep their opinions to themselves.

    I can back up that statement. I have been playing the elite version of the mirror invasion and the rifts keeps re-spawning. By the end of one of many play throughs there were 29 closed rifts... I personally close 18 of them because I did nothing in the mission other than close rifts, activite relay satellites and run away from combat. I did not fire a single shot until all the rifts were closed. Too bad my efforts were all for nothing though since the station's health got knocked down to zero and didn't get any bonus marks because of that.

    I guess there were no science ships around that healed the station. I fly around in a cruiser.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    frankly in light of this I think the complainers should keep their opinions to themselves.

    And i think thats both rude and short sighted.

    Just why did you think that change got made?

    Oh yes, because complainers!
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thyrnecris wrote: »
    Keep in mind that even when PWE messes up something due to Hardware failures (and not having ANY redundancy at all!), it is clearly a problem on PLAYER side, when more and more people get booted from the game, unable to even start the Launcher.

    PWE is not responsible for client side hardware failures, its the same with any standard client side contract you accept to in computer games, that should go without saying. However PWE has acknowledged in the past it has messed up from time to time, occasionally bringing something extra to the plate as compensation like the server crash last week which got the MU event extended.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    And i think thats both rude and short sighted.

    Just why did you think that change got made?

    Oh yes, because complainers!

    only sadly it wasn't a change for the better.

    yes and thanks for editing out why I made that statement.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    the OP os OP please nerf.. His ability to post is OP so nerf that too, also being able to survive a mission OP = nerf, might as well NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

    the whole game NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

    is all this OP seems to say... stop NERF or we will have a server working as intended like this last week... being able to log in = OP whats the answer? NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF


    stop the whining and supporting of constant nerfs, dedicating time/money/time time time and effort into these powers(please nerf) abilities(please nerf) ships(please nerf) and then they all get mercilessly nerfed is kinda stuid so -1 (-9001)to this thread support playable game not just nerf it til its broken thanks
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    only sadly it wasn't a change for the better.

    yes and thanks for editing out why I made that statement.

    Really?

    So, did you enjoy sitting in space for up to five minutes doing nothing at all?

    Because that was what the change fixed.

    Now, you can lose the base on normal and still get 50 points, provided you close rifts.


    Essentially, you seem to adopt the position that all criticism, valid, invalid, sane or ranty is wrong.

    You need to recognise the important role criticism holds in making this, or any other game, work properly.

    And, as i suggested earlier.....if all your critics shut up because there's no point in talking anymore, you're in the death spiral.
  • janus1975janus1975 Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yes, the game is a 'moving feast'... new things always being introduced which are liked by some and disliked by others. Basically the choices range from it being a perfect game with zero problems and absolutely everything being exactly right with the whole thing being stagnant, or constant changes with things getting broken and fixed (to varying degrees) along the way. Obviously, it does the latter.

    The problems however, seem to fall into multiple camps. There are real problems which many players find. There are player-equipment problems (e.g. computer hardware) or user problems (e.g. incorrect settings) which are blamed on the game. There are actual problems or 'bugs' caused by patches (like when heads don't show on armor) which get fixed. There are imagined problems called 'bugs' which are really player problems (like glass hulls not surviving in Tau Dewa patrols). There are differences between players' desires and the balancing of the game with artwork which are called 'bugs' (like certain costume pieces from different sets not working well together or ships not being quite like the artwork the ship is based on). There are players who want to be Captain Picard/Captain Sisko/Captain Janeway with engineering traits with science ship skills and amazing tactical capabilities in their Ent-D/Ent-E/Defiant/Intrepid who are upset that their overpowered ship demands aren't being met who refer to that as a 'bug'...

    Basically, yes, there are problems. If it's a recent problem that gets fixed, great. Problems that don't get fixed, best is to learn a workaround. Any time something is called a "bug", it might be, or it might not. Any which way, the game's great fun and whiners just need to relax and eat more cheese.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kintisho wrote: »
    the OP os OP please nerf.. His ability to post is OP so nerf that too, also being able to survive a mission OP = nerf, might as well NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

    the whole game NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

    is all this OP seems to say... stop NERF or we will have a server working as intended like this last week... being able to log in = OP whats the answer? NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF


    stop the whining and supporting of constant nerfs, dedicating time/money/time time time and effort into these powers(please nerf) abilities(please nerf) ships(please nerf) and then they all get mercilessly nerfed is kinda stuid so -1 (-9001)to this thread support playable game not just nerf it til its broken thanks

    nerf is up, plz buff.
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  • captyoung01captyoung01 Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Here's an example.

    The Galaxy threadnought down in the Federation Shipyards thread. The Galaxy-R sucks. People have suggested multiple ways of fixing/changing the ship to make it perform a little better.

    What does Cryptic do? They don't change it at all.

    Not a catch-22 here. If they changed it, tons of people would suddenly find it useful/an improvement over the old one. But Cryptic, specifically Geko on the dev team, decided to be stubborn as frak and leave the ship where it is... which is causing backlash in the revamp feedback threads.

    Cryptic and its dev team can be great at times, I'll give them that. On the other hand, they have repeatedly made some really stupid and boneheaded decisions over the years.

    I, and others, are forced to focus on the negatives because 1) there are no changes to broken game mechanics, or 2) a change negatively affects game mechanics (example, last year's baseball problem, or SS+doffs, or severe Sci nerfing, etc). Negatives which affect how we play, and also whether our hard work into our characters gets thrown completely out the window.

    With your statement about the Galaxy Class Dreadnought, I fully agree, not only have I backlashed but I deleted most of my toons over it. I am awaiting to see what happens in April with Season 9, if they continue that "Rep Trait" system they planned out, I am going to delete my last Character and never again Pay or Play any more MMO's (Or other Games) owned, operated or otherwise from PWE and Cryptic. I am not going to sit on my hands over whiny players and everything being OP. . Other wise most of the changes made in game I had no problem with, mostly my complaints lye with those wanting Nerfs where they didn't need them. . (Most of them anyway).
  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Being a new player you won't know about all the things Cryptic have done over the years including bringing an alpha-state game to retail, even now the game itself is still in many areas essentially beta, or worse deprecated, like for example crafting.

    You see you won't have been around for the time when in Season 7 they made several promises about dilithium rewards staying for STF's... only to then without announcement remove them from the Season 7 patch.

    It took a relatively large-scale revolt both on the forums and in-game to get them to honour their initial promise. I doubt very much us moaning on here alone was enough but I bet their metrics showed a severe drop off in play time and they realised the error they made.

    Another fine example is that when Season 7 came and the provisioning sinks for the rep were announced many of us argued it was stupid to have to essentially do pointless clicking and hoarding of provisions when we could just pay directly with EC. Now two seasons later they finally see our wisdom.

    Our demographic is full of smart people many in the the IT and gaming industries themselves, Trek fans are often very astute.

    In other words stick around and make an assessment when you've been here long enough to know. :)

    As for the issue with nerfs, it comes down to Cryptic not being able to create balanced PvP. If I'm honest I don't think I've encountered worse PvP than in this game... and ground PvP is beyond saving at this point.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kintisho wrote: »
    the OP os OP please nerf.. His ability to post is OP so nerf that too, also being able to survive a mission OP = nerf, might as well NERF NERF NERF NERF

    My eyes!
    kintisho wrote: »
    stop the whining and supporting of constant nerfs, dedicating time/money/time time time and effort into these powers(please nerf) abilities(please nerf) ships(please nerf) and then they all get mercilessly nerfed is kinda stuid so -1 (-9001)to this thread support playable game not just nerf it til its broken thanks

    Smart nerfs are appreciated by the gaming community (such as nerfing the baseball). But most of the time Cryptic nerfs something that really was fine on its own.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    And i think thats both rude and short sighted.

    Just why did you think that change got made?

    Oh yes, because complainers!

    my apologies what you say is true, i had no business speaking out like that, i forgot my golden rule - though i might not agree with what you say i will defend to the death your right to say it.

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    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

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    so we can do something we all believe in,

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  • thyrnecristhyrnecris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    PWE is not responsible for client side hardware failures, its the same with any standard client side contract you accept to in computer games, that should go without saying. However PWE has acknowledged in the past it has messed up from time to time, occasionally bringing something extra to the plate as compensation like the server crash last week which got the MU event extended.

    Thank you for your concern about clientside hardware failures. But I was referring to the large scale Service failure last week, which had, if I remember the threadnought correctly, been caused by SERVER side hardware failures for which PWE did not have redundancy. If you had followed said threadnought (and the threads it had been formed out of), you would have remembered that the first occurances of those issues had been blamed on player imagination.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Star Trek Online, still in BETA since 2010 :P

    (Donations of Coffee Cups is required to play :D )
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thyrnecris wrote: »
    Thank you for your concern about clientside hardware failures. But I was referring to the large scale Service failure last week, which had, if I remember the threadnought correctly, been caused by SERVER side hardware failures for which PWE did not have redundancy. If you had followed said threadnought (and the threads it had been formed out of), you would have remembered that the first occurances of those issues had been blamed on player imagination.

    ???
    However PWE has acknowledged in the past it has messed up from time to time, occasionally bringing something extra to the plate as compensation like the server crash last week which got the MU event extended.

    /10c
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