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einheryar44einheryar44 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Reputation System
It takes what, 14 days of playing about an hour each day to max all rep on a new alt? I can't imagine even for extremely lazy people that should have been too much of a burden to justify this "power creep" whining.

Additionally, Rotating Weapon Frequency will become the default I'm assuming since you're getting rid of it? Some people still enjoy doing E-STF ground iron-mans, and it's really a bone you need to throw us when you're so willing to cave to these whiners.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I sincerely hope something will be done about adaption.

    With Mk X and Mk XI sets being removed, I assume that the MK XII sets will be obtained in a similar fashion the Dyson set currently on Holodeck, that is first part at t1 rep, second on t3 and third on t5. It's going to be frustrating doing ground and having to wait to T5 rep just to get the 3 part insta-remodulation set bonus to do ground and not having a passive to slow the rate of adaption.

    I know a dev mentioned looking at adaption in the other thread :
    I've seen a number of people call this change out specifically, we'll take another look at it or at the base adapt mechanic.

    I sincerely hope adaption gets a look at and changed to be less frustrating without Rotating Weapon Frequency or a low tier set with insta-remod. And no, Defera consumables shouldn't be a fallback, not everyone has time to farm up the many that would be needed on a daily basis.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It takes what, 14 days of playing about an hour each day to max all rep on a new alt? I can't imagine even for extremely lazy people that should have been too much of a burden to justify this "power creep" whining.
    Nope, it takes longer, unless you got sponsorship tokens ready for all 5 rep - and it may be surprising for some, some people are not worrying about their alt, but their first character.

    And not everyone is actively pursuing reputations, so the gap will never be closed, because these people are not intersted in that grind - but they still want to enjoy new content.
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  • einheryar44einheryar44 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Nope, it takes longer, unless you got sponsorship tokens ready for all 5 rep - and it may be surprising for some, some people are not worrying about their alt, but their first character.

    And not everyone is actively pursuing reputations, so the gap will never be closed, because these people are not intersted in that grind - but they still want to enjoy new content.

    And they are unable to enjoy new content without these? I fail to see that ... especially nowadays when a 4 day old toon (Engineer no less) can hold West flank in NWS and earn Kirk's Protege ... it is so easy to gear up a ship intelligently that rep bonuses are just that, bonuses for work done. They are necessary for nothing. Especially pve content.

    If you're not interested in "that grind" don't do it, but don't whine about it if you don't, because it is open for everyone to do, you need only the ambition to do so. Furthermore, they are making it easier for you yet again, so I am even more so at a loss...
  • ghyudtghyudt Member Posts: 1,112 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Nope, it takes longer, unless you got sponsorship tokens ready for all 5 rep - and it may be surprising for some, some people are not worrying about their alt, but their first character.

    And not everyone is actively pursuing reputations, so the gap will never be closed, because these people are not intersted in that grind - but they still want to enjoy new content.

    Well, isn't this the problem? People having more than one account? I really don't see the point. Sure, k have 3 fed accounts and a romulan, but I don't touch any but 1 anymore. I only had the others so j could see which career fit me best, and to see what romulan play was like. Seriously, stick to one account and 1 character and you won't have to grind so much. But stop whining about it when you out yourselves in that position in the first place.
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I agree that the loss of easily-accessible Mk X ground sets and the T3 passive means the difficulty bar for getting a new player or toon into ground STFs is being raised. I think they're aware of our concerns over that, though, and will consider ways of addressing it.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They posted in the Tribble section. They've decided that they're just going to re-add the rotating weapon frequency effect back into the power in addition to the new kinetic damage. So now it's 2 powers in one. They may tweak it further but at least it's back!

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  • aleaicaleaic Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Okay, I get that new players aren't as effective in endgame content, as veteran players are.

    Currently, I have 7 toons, one account, 5 50's, three of them with maxed rep, my main is Apex level for gear and powers, the other two 50's, one is near T4 save Dyson (T2) and the last is 'noob' status, as far as rep tiers goes. The other two are creations for enjoying new episode content. And as far as the high end, and low end toons 'feel' what they are supposed to be. My Apex engy toon steamrolls through stuff, thanks to power creep, the low end, not so much.

    I do NOT like the idea that all the stuff I've EARNED, suddenly puts off another, because 'they' just don't like it, for whatever reason. You know bloody well what? I LIKE all the goodies, powers, abilities, doohickeys, and so much more, that I either earned, or yes, paid for. (More like gambled, as far as lock boxes go, for the lobi, in the end.) Nerfing any of this to appease the lazy, or, dear we say the honest probably added truth of all this, the PvPer, strikes me as particularly insulting. This all says that my own willing grinding and hard work, now means squat, to the developers. I'm dearly sorry, but THAT is what complaints about power creep, truly feels like what it means to me.

    And all things supposed to be equal? NO. Things are NOT supposed to be equal. When you earn the power creep, that comes with all the grinding and finger toiling, you are SUPPOSED to feel a sense of accomplishment, from rewards earned. I despise the fact, that others think they have to have a sense of entitlement, before they even installed this game, (it feels like from the whining,) already given the fact, that thanks to the current rep system, you are all about GIVEN the best gear and powers, as all things stand. I already LOATHE the fact, that the T5 powers are five minute cooldowns, that make them essentially worthless, past their initial use in a fight, in many PvE instances. (and some down right underpowered, in my dead honest opinion too.) I mean, at this point, at what point does appeasement, turn into questions about player morals, conduct, and ethics? I'm actually becoming worried about this, given the 'entitlement' aura, that seems to permeate a lot of this game, anymore.

    In the end, oh wall-o-text, I just think the players that earned their setups and abilities, are being ignored a bit, as far as this new rep power system goes, and for any other nerfing, that comes in the name of 'equal player rights', or whatever bloody else you want to call all of this. I call it 'the easy way out', to be honest.

    I mean, really, those that choose not to rep grind, all rights to them. But really, WITH all things being equal with this game, at this point, WITH no new rep system at hand, with the the current spread of rep powers, gear and abilities available, IF the entire player base community that could, DID get all of the same powers, all at the same time, leaving the player base at the same power level, essentially, what WOULD be the actual harm to the game then? The argument at the present, is about those that are Have Nots. What if all were Haves instead. (Which is ACTUALLY possible in this game. WHAT is there to actually stop t from happening, if nothing at current, were to change?)

    Well, I guess, people would get bored. Others (like, right now,) would complain the content is too easy. Peeps would 'find' something else to complain about, because, gee, being positive is too much on some people. And... no wait, talking about the M word, would be bad economics here, as far as content existing goes.)

    I think really then, trying to make for a simple solution, never is simple. I think it better behooves the game community to behave better, to be dead honest. I also am wary of the developers, for trying to make things 'equal', that doesn't feel as inventive, as they think it is. It's all a NERF. This is all flat out what this new Rep system is. Dead flat honest. I don't care for it.

    If you want content to be hard, fair and flexible, make PvE and PvP mechanics separate, make new 'hardcore' versions of current and new content, for really hard to obtain powers, titles, and maybe gear, and be inventive with the little stuff. (Oh, and make about a hundred new freakin PvE episodes, while were at it. Two episodes, and a bunch of grinding, doesn't make for a 'Season'. it just makes for more gear that is too 'vectored', and a power creep that makes people whine, in 'both' camp versions of it all.

    And the episodes? Make them from the Foundry lists, polish them, and ram em out at us so much, we CAN'T keep up with them, in concert with PvE endgame grinding. Sheesh, make us complain about 'that', over what's being complained about now. (Would LOVE to see more Trek based episode talk, over all this mechanics talk. I don't freakin remember Scotty belly aching about how much DPS the phasers put out. Sheesh. Whatever happened to intelligent Trek stuff to fret over instead? Maybe even have rep powers attached to how many episodes have been played. (Or even certain powers, as rewards to certain episodes. Even if it takes over thirty plus episodes to get too. Maybe completing an episode to 'get' to a power, or tokens, or whatever else, is attached to completing an STF or other PvE five man content, to end up acquiring. There ARE better ways to imagine new content, for better purposes, that makes it all feel properly earned, that DOESN'T require the enfeebling nerf bat.

    And so, wall-o-text, the moral of the story is, don't pet a cat, unless you like purring. And also, can we get something more imaginative in the future, from current game development? S9 feels already, like S8 did... and S7... and back as far as rep grinding for gear and mechanics, has been for some time now. It's BAD enough with the day in, day out event grinding, that makes STO-Grindfest, what this game is now.

    And 'don't' get into the M word with all of this. With all the lock box ships that have polluted ESD and Q'onos space anymore, I'd say the game is doing 'fine' on that account, unless an accounting statement is forthcoming, which I fully doubt on ever seeing. I mean, this game deserves better, than what this all is now. The rep system all fully apart of, included here.

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    "power creep" whining.
    There is none. The only whining is coming from the people who don't like the rep trait changes.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The solution is simple. Once you unlock tier 1, just apply a global adaptation reduction of say 50 percent.

    Seems legit.
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  • t0xsick2t0xsick2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    People are going to whine no matter what, just a fact of life.
  • jimtkirkjimtkirk Member Posts: 0
    edited March 2014
    It takes what, 14 days of playing about an hour each day to max all rep on a new alt? I can't imagine even for extremely lazy people that should have been too much of a burden to justify this "power creep" whining.

    Additionally, Rotating Weapon Frequency will become the default I'm assuming since you're getting rid of it? Some people still enjoy doing E-STF ground iron-mans, and it's really a bone you need to throw us when you're so willing to cave to these whiners.


    There is no power creep in the game. There are just those who put in the time, effort, and grind to EARN the powers they have (for a FEW MORE WEEKS) and then there are those who just reached level 50 and have been whining for months that they don't have those powers.

    Unfortunately, Cryptic has decided to penalize those who earned what they have in favor of the whiners.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jimtkirk wrote: »
    There is no power creep in the game. There are just those who put in the time, effort, and grind to EARN the powers they have (for a FEW MORE WEEKS) and then there are those who just reached level 50 and have been whining for months that they don't have those powers.

    Unfortunately, Cryptic has decided to penalize those who earned what they have in favor of the whiners.

    There are no whiners in the game. There are just those who put in the time (on Bonus XP weekends), effort (to press the F key or the Space Bar), and zen (to buy XP boosters from the C-Store) to get the levels they have (for a FEW MORE WEEKS) and then there are those who just reached level 50 bout a scimitar three pack and dropped 100 bucks in the c-store for enough lobi to get cool consoles.

    Unfortunately, Cryptic has not decided to penalize those who bought their way to high DPS parses in a three year old STF.

    Maybe next season.
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  • thehatchthehatch Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The solution is simple. Once you unlock tier 1, just apply a global adaptation reduction of say 50 percent.

    I second this possible solution. Indeed, up until now all my toons have first unlocked a Mk X set to use the Integrated Frequency Modulation as soon as possible, because it is absolutely required in ground combat vs. Borg, especially if people play not simply to complete the mission, but to beat their best time and have some fun challenge. A Mk XI set was never required for that nor was it particularily better. So, a solution must be found to allow players a decent way to remodulate. Perhaps it should be made easier to craft the Deferi Fractal Frequency Remodulator.

    Hoiwever, the biggest problem I have with the propsed rep changes is the removal of random rewards (1/6/11 Borg Neural Processors). They are a great incentive to keep playing STFs. For me, it is part of the fun to have this chance at extra dilithium; it makes me feel successful (because, let's face it, merely completing a STF is not a challenge).

    Call me a traditionalist, but engame content should really have this randomness in rewards—and mind you, I am not talking about the item drops, most are being recycled on the spot anyway. Removing this random element makes such content dry, repetitive and grindy. I don't want to know what I will get, I want to be surprised to make the grind worth my while!

    So, instead of removing this random element, it should be adapted to all other reputations, which would make them much more interesting and fun. There should be a chance in other queued content to receive some extra items (such as Voth Cybernetic Implants). Everything else is just disappointing.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Quite simply, I'd like an Instant Remodulator Device. The Fractal ain't cuttin' it.

    The I-Mod set bonus on the Omega sets was great when there were only the Omega sets. But now we have awesome Elite Fleet gear, the great Dyson ground set, various Nukara ground sets, and soon the Counter-Command ground set. Plus, with the impending removal of the Mk X and XI Omega ground sets, we'll soon lose the ability to obtain this effect prior to finishing Omega Rep.

    Make it an equipment requisition for Omega Rep, preferably in Tier 1 or 2. I don't think it will stop anyone who wants the Mk XII Omega sets (for either the costume unlocks or their general awesomeness) from getting them.
  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Quite simply, I'd like an Instant Remodulator Device. The Fractal ain't cuttin' it.

    The I-Mod set bonus on the Omega sets was great when there were only the Omega sets. But now we have awesome Elite Fleet gear, the great Dyson ground set, various Nukara ground sets, and soon the Counter-Command ground set. Plus, with the impending removal of the Mk X and XI Omega ground sets, we'll soon lose the ability to obtain this effect prior to finishing Omega Rep.

    Make it an equipment requisition for Omega Rep, preferably in Tier 1 or 2. I don't think it will stop anyone who wants the Mk XII Omega sets (for either the costume unlocks or their general awesomeness) from getting them.

    Pretty sure you can craft consumable instant remod devices down on Defera too? Presequenced Frequency Randomizer? Never used them myself, so I'm uncertain of their function, but the description seemed to imply that's what they were. Omega gear is specifically designed to fight the Borg, moving the instant remod to a completely separate reusable item would kind of remove the point of getting the Omega gear in the first place.

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jbmaverick wrote: »
    Pretty sure you can craft consumable instant remod devices down on Defera too? Presequenced Frequency Randomizer? Never used them myself, so I'm uncertain of their function, but the description seemed to imply that's what they were. Omega gear is specifically designed to fight the Borg, moving the instant remod to a completely separate reusable item would kind of remove the point of getting the Omega gear in the first place.

    Those are one-time usage consumables. So while they are nice, it means taking up a device slot, and constantly having to go back to Deferi to boringly grind out for more.

    Also, if this was six months or a year ago I would agree about the Omega sets. But the game has changed quite a bit since, so I feel that having a permanent instant remod that you can make from the Omega rep would be better, and give more choices to ground instead of feeling like you have to have Omega ground gear.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Those are one-time usage consumables. So while they are nice, it means taking up a device slot, and constantly having to go back to Deferi to boringly grind out for more.

    Also, if this was six months or a year ago I would agree about the Omega sets. But the game has changed quite a bit since, so I feel that having a permanent instant remod that you can make from the Omega rep would be better, and give more choices to ground instead of feeling like you have to have Omega ground gear.

    You do know you can use the 1 sec slower remodulator from your replicator, it isn't just for boff's.
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  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Those are one-time usage consumables. So while they are nice, it means taking up a device slot, and constantly having to go back to Deferi to boringly grind out for more.

    Also, if this was six months or a year ago I would agree about the Omega sets. But the game has changed quite a bit since, so I feel that having a permanent instant remod that you can make from the Omega rep would be better, and give more choices to ground instead of feeling like you have to have Omega ground gear.

    Yes, they are one-time consumable and take up an existing device slot, but if you aren't willing to carry Omega equipment then you'll have to make up for it elsewhere.

    Nobody would even bother to get the Omega gear if better stuff exists elsewhere and they don't need it for the remod. There needs to be a reason for equipment like this to exist or nobody is going to bother getting it. How many people do you know run around with Nukara equipment, for example?

    If a reputation system doesn't add something that's patently better than something else at a task, then there wasn't a point in making it to begin with. But for something to be better, it must either be all-around better or better-suited to a specific task. Omega equipment fills the second category by being more useful against the Borg without necessarily being the strongest equipment in the game. And that's what a lot of the complaining is about, isn't it? Every time Cryptic adds something, it's completely stronger than the previous equipment. There needs to be more specialized equipment rather than just making something new better overall.

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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    3 blue melee doffs and a falchion or tegolar sword is good for doing rep on and not to expensive. I still would like to see the Mk X and Mk XI sets left in the rep store though for people that don't want to be forced into melee.
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  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Has anyone seen those old Verizon tv comercials where they parodied new customers got treated better and the old ones got shafted? Thats what it feels like Cryptic is doing to us. Why go 4/4/4? Simple C-Store 5/5/5. A way to make us pay for what we had for free. I mean could you imagine if they did this on WOW, so many players would rage quit.
  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    schmedicke wrote: »
    Has anyone seen those old Verizon tv comercials where they parodied new customers got treated better and the old ones got shafted? Thats what it feels like Cryptic is doing to us. Why go 4/4/4? Simple C-Store 5/5/5. A way to make us pay for what we had for free. I mean could you imagine if they did this on WOW, so many players would rage quit.

    A Cryptic dev is already on record as saying that WILL NOT happen (his emphasis, not mine)...

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  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    They said the same about ships with 5 tac consules yet there they are in the C-Store. You know they are going to implement the 4/4/4 no matter how many complain. Then down the road you will see the 5/5/5 for sale to help promote new reps. It makes good business sense. Lol never trust a used car salesman when money is involved.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jbmaverick wrote: »
    A Cryptic dev is already on record as saying that WILL NOT happen (his emphasis, not mine)...

    I've said somewhere recently, in the Tribble section I believe, maybe elsewhere...that I do indeed believe Hawk is telling the truth. He says that he doesn't want that to happen, I believe him.

    BUT, he isn't in a high position of power. He can say what he wishes and try to push for it, but it doesn't mean he will get his way. Others can override him easily.

    Unfortunately, should this happen, I have a feeling Hawk will be the one who might catch the heat over it because of what he said, even if it wasn't his fault or choice.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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  • devil96helldevil96hell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ive been playing for. 4years and wend thay put this TRIBBLE into game i wont be playing eney moor and i got 30 toon on 5 account all at lvl 50 with all the rep on t5 :mad:
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I've said somewhere recently, in the Tribble section I believe, maybe elsewhere...that I do indeed believe Hawk is telling the truth. He says that he doesn't want that to happen, I believe him.

    BUT, he isn't in a high position of power. He can say what he wishes and try to push for it, but it doesn't mean he will get his way. Others can override him easily.

    Unfortunately, should this happen, I have a feeling Hawk will be the one who might catch the heat over it because of what he said, even if it wasn't his fault or choice.

    It's more likely it'll be tied to a major fleet grind, like the Active Doff slots were.
  • supergaminggeeksupergaminggeek Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Omega Graviton Pulse Module slows Borg adaptation.
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And they are unable to enjoy new content without these? I fail to see that ... especially nowadays when a 4 day old toon (Engineer no less) can hold West flank in NWS and earn Kirk's Protege ... it is so easy to gear up a ship intelligently that rep bonuses are just that, bonuses for work done. They are necessary for nothing. Especially pve content.

    If you're not interested in "that grind" don't do it, but don't whine about it if you don't, because it is open for everyone to do, you need only the ambition to do so. Furthermore, they are making it easier for you yet again, so I am even more so at a loss...

    The fact that NWS can be two manned now is due to powercreep, not some magical increase in player skill or intelligence.

    The fact that your eng was in on the run means very little, how many of you teammates had rep passives, spire consoles, rommy boffs.....? Can you be sure that combined it didn't add up, so you still could beat that last wave in time?

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