I'm pretty sure you looked at the NPC version of the Oddy in the wiki.
NPC ship classes have little to do with player ship classes.
The NPC Miranda is considered a Frigate while the player version is a Light Cruiser for example.
I have not checked in a long while, how many Cruiser Command abilities does the Odyssey have? If it has 4 then it is not considered a Dreadnought, as Dreads only get 2.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I have not checked in a long while, how many Cruiser Command abilities does the Odyssey have? If it has 4 then it is not considered a Dreadnought, as Dreads only get 2.
It has all four, but the game (and its description) makes several references to calling it a Dreadnaught.
I think the only reason the Mirror event states the Odyssey is a dreadnaught is due to the fact it's from the mirror universe. Typically their stuff is the opposite of the prime universe so whereas our Odyssey is a fairly tanky ship theirs in the devs eyes might just have more pew pew.
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There was a nextgen episode wher Picard called his galaxy a battleship, so why wouldn't an Oddyssy be one in the next nextgen? The Galaxy-X is only an upgraded form of the Galaxy when those designing ships realized the shortcoming it has in war. Battleships, all.
There was a nextgen episode wher Picard called his galaxy a battleship...
Gonna stop you right there.
First, Picard may have called the Enterprise a battleship in a certain context, but then again Riker told someone he was assigned to the Good Ship Lollipop in another context. Without context, what Picard says means nothing.
Second, a battleship does not equal a dread, nor does a Galaxy equal an Odyssey.
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It has all four, but the game (and its description) makes several references to calling it a Dreadnaught.
All the references to the Odyssey being a Dreadnought are all within reference to its NPC grade. The playable Odyssey belongs to the standard Cruiser ship class. Similarly, the Bortasqu' and the Kal'Ruq are designated dreadnoughts, but the playable Bortasqu' is a Battle Cruiser. Conversely, the Bulwark is the Voth Battleship, but is a Dreadnought Cruiser in our hands.
I have not checked in a long while, how many Cruiser Command abilities does the Odyssey have? If it has 4 then it is not considered a Dreadnought, as Dreads only get 2.
Where's my Tactical Scimitar Weapons efficiency dawg?! :eek:
If an oddy is a cruiser (which I believe it to be with the commands etc) and a galaxy is also a cruiser; the galaxy has a dread variant. Is this NPC mirror "dread" oddy some kind of a precursor to a playable oddy dread?
I'm not thinking sets like scimis, rather a one off purchase like the galaxy dread (used to be outside of the new bundle).
This would make my proverbial ears prick up.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Is this NPC mirror "dread" oddy some kind of a precursor to a playable oddy dread?
No. The Enterprise F was called a Dreadnaught the day it debuted. The Oddyssey has been called a Dreadnaught for over a year now. This isn't a precursor to anything.
That is a senseless discussion about terminology IMO.
Look at it that way:
The Galaxy class is definitely a Cruiser.
The Galaxy X is STILL a Galaxy, yet its called dreadnaught.
The Ar'Kif class is called "Destroyer" yet it feels the hell like an escort.
The NX class was a Cruiser still its an escort in this game.
The Akira was a Cruiser still its not in the game.
The Kumari is a Cruiser still its an Escort in the game.
They can call their ships however they want, Dreadnaught, Cruiser, Escort, Pink unicorns, what counts is the performance.
I think first someone needs to define what a dreadnought is and means. Only from there can then classify ships into that category, gotta know what it means first.
Then they should probably change the playable ship designation from cruiser to dred.
The designation doesn't mean anything in particular. It's not a ship classification.
As Revan says:
That is a senseless discussion about terminology IMO.
All you need to know is the Odyssey gets called a dreadnaught in the game. And Obisek fires a plasma lance in the game, at a mirror dreadnaught which half the time is an Odyssey, and half the time is a Galaxy X.
Please people, pay no heed to what Cryptic labels "Dreadnought" because it's just randomly thrown about in the game.
People seem to be under the impression that "Dreadnought" means good ENG, good TAC, good hullpoints. But essentially all TAC Cruisers / TAC Battlecruisers fit this mold, to include most especially the Scimitar. And most of those ships that fit this style aren't even named "Dreadnought." Hell, the Gal-X, specifically called a "Dreadnought" doesn't fit this style, yet Cryptic deemed it worthy to be called one. It's really nothing more than a glorified, Lv40 Assault Cruiser.
In the case of the Star Trek IP, stuff falling into the Dreadnought / Battleship category is exceedingly rare.
In STO, the name is gleefully thrown about but performance and stats do not reflect.
In other words, "Dreadnought" doesn't mean **** in STO. Some of them fail to do what a Fleet Vor'Cha, Mogh, Avenger, Excelsior, Fleet Sovereign do well, and they don't even have the name "Dreadnought" attached to them.
I think first someone needs to define what a dreadnought is and means. Only from there can then classify ships into that category, gotta know what it means first.
Cryptic's definitions of Dreadnought are all with qualifiers:
NPC Dreadnought: simply a "rank" designation for the largest/toughest enemy spaceships. The Odyssey, Bortasqu', and Vo'Quv NPCs all fall under this designation, just as the Vesta, Armitage, and MVAM Prometheus (there's two versions of the Fed Prometheus NPC, the "Cruiser-rank" one doesn't have MVAM) are designated Battleships when they're NPCs.
Dreadnought Warbird: a Romulan Warbird that's a Dreadnought, that is, the Scimitar (and the Falchion and Tulwar variants).
Dreadnought Carrier: a Carrier that's designated as a playable Dreadnought. So far, only the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is in this ship classification, though the Vo'Quv is an NPC Dreadnought.
Dreadnought Cruiser: a Cruiser that's designated as a playable Dreadnought, and has only the Weapon Efficiency and Attract Fire Cruiser Commands. The Galaxy-X and the Bulwark are the only Dreadnought Cruisers.
Currently, playable ships designated by Cryptic as being Dreadnoughts share the following characteristics: they can load dual/quad cannons, have at least 7 weapons, at least 40k base hull and 1.0 base shields, at least 1000 crew (not that it means much), at least one hangar bay, a base turn rate of 6 or 7, low inertia rating, and at least one Universal bridge officer seat.
All Dreadnoughts other than the JHDC have 8 weapons and 4 device slots (the JHDC is also the only one that does not have access to a cloaking device), all Dreadnoughts other than the Scimitar series have at least a LtCdr seat reserved for Engineering and +20 total power, all except the Galaxy-X have at least the potential for a LtCdr Tac seat (though the Galaxy-X has the Spinal Lance for "free"). The Scimitar and Tulwar are also the only ones without a 4th Engineering console, and the Bulwark is the only one with only 2 Tac consoles.
Currently, by Cryptic's classification system, the NPC Odyssey-class (including the I.S.S. Sisko and its sister ships and the U.S.S. Enterprise-F) is a Dreadnought, but the playable Odyssey-class Cruisers are just big fat Cruisers.
I think first someone needs to define what a dreadnought is and means. Only from there can then classify ships into that category, gotta know what it means first.
Altho in both reality and startrek the designation of "dreadnought" or "cruiser" or even "destroyer mean little to nothing when compared to other things given the same lable.
For instance a modern arleigh-burke class destroyer is actually about the same size as a WW II era light cruiser.
And generally the term dreadnought was dropped after WW I since all subsequent battleships were rally Dreadnaughts.
In the game universe a dreadnaught is a cruiser with the ability to equip cannons and has a hangar bay. These criteria are the only standard among player dreadnaughts.
As for NPC's its given as a general designation to denote apparent power.
And as for the difference between being a cruiser or battleship in game. It doesn't really matter since at max tier all cruisers are battleships. The designation normally changes with tonnage and equipped weaponry. But since there are no 16 inch guns that only fit on certain hulls its really a mute point.
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In the game universe a dreadnaught is a cruiser with the ability to equip cannons and has a hangar bay. These criteria are the only standard among player dreadnaughts.
So my Vesta's a dreadnaught science vessel hybrid?
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edited March 2014
I think there's a hitch in the logic called the Vesta, and maybe Vo'Quv.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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So my Vesta's a dreadnaught science vessel hybrid?
the vesta is pretty much it's own thing an ignigma. it has high hull for a sci vessle, can load dual cannons, has a hanger, very flexible boff seating with a uni LTC and UNI ens.
and it's consol that can give it a better phaser lances then the galaxy-x. (even though i prefer the AOE heal)
it;s more of a flight deck science vessle escort
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edited March 2014
Who said you could only put one of the Vesta consoles on? I got all three for set bonus. ^^
But yea... the Vesta doesn't qualify as a dread, as she doesn't exactly fit the mental image of a big beast of a ship like the Scimitar/Bortas/Odyssey.
And the playable Vo'Quv can mount duals as well I believe, but she's a full carrier, not a dreadnaught. When I picture a dread, I usually think big ship with really big guns. Technically the Gal-X fits that with the Spinal Lance. The Bortas kinda fits that with the Autocannon (which needs work), and the Scimitar with the Thaleron. Each one has a big gun of some sort. The Odyssey... actually doesn't have a big gun like that.
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NPC ship classes have little to do with player ship classes.
The NPC Miranda is considered a Frigate while the player version is a Light Cruiser for example.
It has all four, but the game (and its description) makes several references to calling it a Dreadnaught.
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Yes, it is. And a flagship.
First, Picard may have called the Enterprise a battleship in a certain context, but then again Riker told someone he was assigned to the Good Ship Lollipop in another context. Without context, what Picard says means nothing.
Second, a battleship does not equal a dread, nor does a Galaxy equal an Odyssey.
All the references to the Odyssey being a Dreadnought are all within reference to its NPC grade. The playable Odyssey belongs to the standard Cruiser ship class. Similarly, the Bortasqu' and the Kal'Ruq are designated dreadnoughts, but the playable Bortasqu' is a Battle Cruiser. Conversely, the Bulwark is the Voth Battleship, but is a Dreadnought Cruiser in our hands.
Where's my Tactical Scimitar Weapons efficiency dawg?! :eek:
we to OP to get them :P
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I'm not thinking sets like scimis, rather a one off purchase like the galaxy dread (used to be outside of the new bundle).
This would make my proverbial ears prick up.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
No. The Enterprise F was called a Dreadnaught the day it debuted. The Oddyssey has been called a Dreadnaught for over a year now. This isn't a precursor to anything.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Look at it that way:
The Galaxy class is definitely a Cruiser.
The Galaxy X is STILL a Galaxy, yet its called dreadnaught.
The Ar'Kif class is called "Destroyer" yet it feels the hell like an escort.
The NX class was a Cruiser still its an escort in this game.
The Akira was a Cruiser still its not in the game.
The Kumari is a Cruiser still its an Escort in the game.
They can call their ships however they want, Dreadnaught, Cruiser, Escort, Pink unicorns, what counts is the performance.
KDF side, the Bortasqu and Vo'quv are both 'Dreadnoughts'.
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The designation doesn't mean anything in particular. It's not a ship classification.
As Revan says:
All you need to know is the Odyssey gets called a dreadnaught in the game. And Obisek fires a plasma lance in the game, at a mirror dreadnaught which half the time is an Odyssey, and half the time is a Galaxy X.
People seem to be under the impression that "Dreadnought" means good ENG, good TAC, good hullpoints. But essentially all TAC Cruisers / TAC Battlecruisers fit this mold, to include most especially the Scimitar. And most of those ships that fit this style aren't even named "Dreadnought." Hell, the Gal-X, specifically called a "Dreadnought" doesn't fit this style, yet Cryptic deemed it worthy to be called one. It's really nothing more than a glorified, Lv40 Assault Cruiser.
In the case of the Star Trek IP, stuff falling into the Dreadnought / Battleship category is exceedingly rare.
In STO, the name is gleefully thrown about but performance and stats do not reflect.
In other words, "Dreadnought" doesn't mean **** in STO. Some of them fail to do what a Fleet Vor'Cha, Mogh, Avenger, Excelsior, Fleet Sovereign do well, and they don't even have the name "Dreadnought" attached to them.
Cryptic's definitions of Dreadnought are all with qualifiers:
NPC Dreadnought: simply a "rank" designation for the largest/toughest enemy spaceships. The Odyssey, Bortasqu', and Vo'Quv NPCs all fall under this designation, just as the Vesta, Armitage, and MVAM Prometheus (there's two versions of the Fed Prometheus NPC, the "Cruiser-rank" one doesn't have MVAM) are designated Battleships when they're NPCs.
Dreadnought Warbird: a Romulan Warbird that's a Dreadnought, that is, the Scimitar (and the Falchion and Tulwar variants).
Dreadnought Carrier: a Carrier that's designated as a playable Dreadnought. So far, only the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is in this ship classification, though the Vo'Quv is an NPC Dreadnought.
Dreadnought Cruiser: a Cruiser that's designated as a playable Dreadnought, and has only the Weapon Efficiency and Attract Fire Cruiser Commands. The Galaxy-X and the Bulwark are the only Dreadnought Cruisers.
Currently, playable ships designated by Cryptic as being Dreadnoughts share the following characteristics: they can load dual/quad cannons, have at least 7 weapons, at least 40k base hull and 1.0 base shields, at least 1000 crew (not that it means much), at least one hangar bay, a base turn rate of 6 or 7, low inertia rating, and at least one Universal bridge officer seat.
All Dreadnoughts other than the JHDC have 8 weapons and 4 device slots (the JHDC is also the only one that does not have access to a cloaking device), all Dreadnoughts other than the Scimitar series have at least a LtCdr seat reserved for Engineering and +20 total power, all except the Galaxy-X have at least the potential for a LtCdr Tac seat (though the Galaxy-X has the Spinal Lance for "free"). The Scimitar and Tulwar are also the only ones without a 4th Engineering console, and the Bulwark is the only one with only 2 Tac consoles.
Currently, by Cryptic's classification system, the NPC Odyssey-class (including the I.S.S. Sisko and its sister ships and the U.S.S. Enterprise-F) is a Dreadnought, but the playable Odyssey-class Cruisers are just big fat Cruisers.
Well...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought
Altho in both reality and startrek the designation of "dreadnought" or "cruiser" or even "destroyer mean little to nothing when compared to other things given the same lable.
For instance a modern arleigh-burke class destroyer is actually about the same size as a WW II era light cruiser.
And generally the term dreadnought was dropped after WW I since all subsequent battleships were rally Dreadnaughts.
In the game universe a dreadnaught is a cruiser with the ability to equip cannons and has a hangar bay. These criteria are the only standard among player dreadnaughts.
As for NPC's its given as a general designation to denote apparent power.
And as for the difference between being a cruiser or battleship in game. It doesn't really matter since at max tier all cruisers are battleships. The designation normally changes with tonnage and equipped weaponry. But since there are no 16 inch guns that only fit on certain hulls its really a mute point.
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So my Vesta's a dreadnaught science vessel hybrid?
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the vesta is pretty much it's own thing an ignigma. it has high hull for a sci vessle, can load dual cannons, has a hanger, very flexible boff seating with a uni LTC and UNI ens.
and it's consol that can give it a better phaser lances then the galaxy-x. (even though i prefer the AOE heal)
it;s more of a flight deck science vessle escort
But yea... the Vesta doesn't qualify as a dread, as she doesn't exactly fit the mental image of a big beast of a ship like the Scimitar/Bortas/Odyssey.
And the playable Vo'Quv can mount duals as well I believe, but she's a full carrier, not a dreadnaught. When I picture a dread, I usually think big ship with really big guns. Technically the Gal-X fits that with the Spinal Lance. The Bortas kinda fits that with the Autocannon (which needs work), and the Scimitar with the Thaleron. Each one has a big gun of some sort. The Odyssey... actually doesn't have a big gun like that.
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The vesta is not a cruiser. So it doesn't fit the model
Same goes for the vo'quv and kar'fi.
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The Scimitar's not a cruiser either, it's a warbird?
I think that settles it. My Vesta's a Dreadnaught! A multi mission Dreadnaught, but still.