My main concern with the loss of the commendations is that once again my rep grind for my characters will stall because I need expertise. Slotting 20 doff projects when I log out and reaping the rewards when I log back in doesn't net me the 45k expertise I need to run a big and a small rep project for each rep. The commendations at least meant I didn't have to worry about needing another load of expertise for Dyson Rep.
Now that they're going (I do wonder whose feedback they listened to, as as far as I know no one was complaining about them), then it's just making the grind even grindier and the game less fun than it already was.
Now that they're going (I do wonder whose feedback they listened to, as as far as I know no one was complaining about them), then it's just making the grind even grindier and the game less fun than it already was.
They don't need rubbish feedback from mere mortals when they have The Almighty, Infallible Metrics. :rolleyes:
My main concern with the loss of the commendations is that once again my rep grind for my characters will stall because I need expertise. Slotting 20 doff projects when I log out and reaping the rewards when I log back in doesn't net me the 45k expertise I need to run a big and a small rep project for each rep. The commendations at least meant I didn't have to worry about needing another load of expertise for Dyson Rep.
Now that they're going (I do wonder whose feedback they listened to, as as far as I know no one was complaining about them), then it's just making the grind even grindier and the game less fun than it already was.
Tim
Then do some missions and get some more expertise from sources other than the Doffs. IF you say "i do not have time for that" then you should probably not be playing an MMO and actually believe you can do/get everything.
My main concern with the loss of the commendations is that once again my rep grind for my characters will stall because I need expertise. Slotting 20 doff projects when I log out and reaping the rewards when I log back in doesn't net me the 45k expertise I need to run a big and a small rep project for each rep. The commendations at least meant I didn't have to worry about needing another load of expertise for Dyson Rep.
Now that they're going (I do wonder whose feedback they listened to, as as far as I know no one was complaining about them), then it's just making the grind even grindier and the game less fun than it already was.
Tim
Exactly. Whose feedback were they listening to?
For things like this I would like to see PWE be brave enough to put polls on the forum. Not ones where you can comment, just ones where you select one out of the how-ever-many options that are presented. You would also need to be logged in to vote to prevent people from multi-voting. That way they could say they listened to feedback and show us, rather than just say it.
Under the commendation system you could do the ground daily missions once per day, get a commendation and some marks. That would provide you with the resources to slot the daily project and get over 100 marks spare. This meant that by the time you filled a tier you had almost enough marks to buy the piece of space equipment associated with that tier.
Under the new system if you you do a daily mission you get enough to start a daily project plus 25 marks. Using the information provided in Season 9 Dev blog 3, a daily project is worth 2,500 reputation marks. That means 40 daily projects to complete the entire reputation. That means, after you take out the marks used for the daily projects, you will have 40 x 25 marks spare. 1,000 marks. Enough to buy ONE piece of a space set and change left for another.
This means we're behind where we were.
If you played infrequently you could do the daily three or four days in a row (allowing you to slot the daily project during those 3 or 4 days) and then earn enough marks to buy 5 commendations in case you didn't have the time to play for a few days. Under the new system if you do the daily 4 times and you're slotting the daily project you'll be left with 100 marks. Enough to slot daily projects for 3 days, not the 5 we originally had.
I can't believe that commendations are gone and I can't believe that people didn't like it. Separating the currency needed to levelling the reputation and buying equipment was the best thing that happened to the reputation system. I doubt that we'll get it back now. And you will all look back to when the Voth reputation came out and wish it was like it was back then.
What are you talking about?! Commendationd aren't gone at all. I receive one, every day now, for my alt I'm leveling up.
What are you talking about?! Commendationd aren't gone at all. I receive one, every day now, for my alt I'm leveling up.
He is talking about the Season 9 redesign presented in blog 9.3.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Then do some missions and get some more expertise from sources other than the Doffs. IF you say "i do not have time for that" then you should probably not be playing an MMO and actually believe you can do/get everything.
Which missions? Give me a mission that awards 15k expertise. Do a Borg STF and you are rewarded with a pittance. Tell me how to make 45k expertise per day in the 3 hours I have to play the game; during which time I need to obviously grind for the marks for each rep and, y'know, do stuff that interests me.
Which missions? Give me a mission that awards 15k expertise. Do a Borg STF and you are rewarded with a pittance. Tell me how to make 45k expertise per day in the 3 hours I have to play the game; during which time I need to obviously grind for the marks for each rep and, y'know, do stuff that interests me.
Tim
Replay story missions. Seriously. They reward Expertise like crazy. Especially Featured Episodes.
The problem that people are referring to with the expertise is that as the projects are now, people require a hefty amount of it for running projects across all reputations and fleet projects. Since they removed the main source of expertise that people farmed, the expertise has apparently run dry for them.
What they fail to realize is that once they bring the new reputation costs in, the expertise for tier projects will not be increasing. It'll stay static through all the tiers much like how it does now through the Dyson rep.
The problem that people are referring to with the expertise is that as the projects are now, people require a hefty amount of it for running projects across all reputations and fleet projects. Since they removed the main source of expertise that people farmed, the expertise has apparently run dry for them.
What they fail to realize is that once they bring the new reputation costs in, the expertise for tier projects will not be increasing. It'll stay static through all the tiers much like how it does now through the Dyson rep.
BUT the large project for dyson currently doesnt have any Expertise requirement and will be getting one so unless they are going to make it tiny then then adding that in along with a 5th rep will still mean there will be hurt for expertise.
BUT the large project for dyson currently doesnt have any Expertise requirement and will be getting one so unless they are going to make it tiny then then adding that in along with a 5th rep will still mean there will be hurt for expertise.
No if it is balanced out by the reduction in expertise costs of the other rep projects. If they make it a fixed amount like the current 1hr Dyson one then the costs are in fact going down.
No if it is balanced out by the reduction in expertise costs of the other rep projects. If they make it a fixed amount like the current 1hr Dyson one then the costs are in fact going down.
If they leave any Expertise cost at all, which the Commendation-fueled Dyson missions never had, then the costs are in fact going up and your fanboi logic fails hard. No matter what kind of rose-colored glasses you're wearing, any expertise cost is a cost increase compared to no expertise cost. :rolleyes:
If you'd like to dispute that, start by describing what mathematical system you're using where 0 > 1.
If they leave any Expertise cost at all, which the Commendation-fueled Dyson missions never had, then the costs are in fact going up and your fanboi logic fails hard. No matter what kind of rose-colored glasses you're wearing, any expertise cost is a cost increase compared to no expertise cost. :rolleyes:
If you'd like to dispute that, start by describing what mathematical system you're using where 0 > 1.
Except when talking about the entire reputation system you cant know either way .
We dont yet know what the expertise cost of the other missions will be changing to. So the net expertise may well be lower, regardless of it now covering 8 missions not 7.
If they leave any Expertise cost at all, which the Commendation-fueled Dyson missions never had, then the costs are in fact going up and your fanboi logic fails hard. No matter what kind of rose-colored glasses you're wearing, any expertise cost is a cost increase compared to no expertise cost. :rolleyes:
If you'd like to dispute that, start by describing what mathematical system you're using where 0 > 1.
Expertise is something I measure byt millions. I still don't understand how people can run out.
this, seriously, just doing dailys nets me enough to do reps, and that is not even including ALL the extra i have leftover from leveling.
Keep in mind that this implies that one actually levels and does the Missions (which are pretty much a 'Monty Haul' that showers you in Expertise, in my Experience). The people that 'Run out of Expertise' are most likely leveling via Doff System or 'Experience Boost' zones, maybe Fleet Actions. The former gives some bonus, but I don't remember 'Experience Boost Zones' giving much Expertise, during the leveling of my last alt.
Keep in mind that this implies that one actually levels and does the Missions (which are pretty much a 'Monty Haul' that showers you in Expertise, in my Experience). The people that 'Run out of Expertise' are most likely leveling via Doff System or 'Experience Boost' zones, maybe Fleet Actions. The former gives some bonus, but I don't remember 'Experience Boost Zones' giving much Expertise, during the leveling of my last alt.
so they go with the route that gets only a VERY limited amount of EXP to level, in a game where it takes a week or two at most to get to max level even at only an hour or two of playing each day, and they complain about lack of expertise
Yeah, Bill Gates has billions. I don't understand why people are claiming they have no money. :rolleyes:
terrible example, because in STO, it is easy to get expertise without trying or even thinking about it, in real life, it is not easy making money unless you are really lucky, really skilled at something, or have a lot of experience.
terrible example, because in STO, it is easy to get expertise without trying or even thinking about it, in real life, it is not easy making money unless you are really lucky, really skilled at something, or have a lot of experience.
Easy to gain expertise huh? Tell me, how many times did you repeat those mission? How many doffs did it take and how many days to accumulate your millions of expertise? Hundreds, thousands of doffs and months of playing? How many reps do you have at tier 5? How many pieces of rep gear do you have? And finally how many toons do you have?
Real life money to STO expertise analogy: Pay is in hundreds of Mexican Pesos and your expenses are in thousands of US dollars.
I have run new characters out of expertise, I understand the problem. It is just as easy to get as everyone is saying, though.
My newest toon is a KDF sci, I leveled her up via doffing... got to Marauding T3 and Trade T4 by the time she was level 50... and got over a million expertise along the way.
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Now that they're going (I do wonder whose feedback they listened to, as as far as I know no one was complaining about them), then it's just making the grind even grindier and the game less fun than it already was.
Tim
They don't need rubbish feedback from mere mortals when they have The Almighty, Infallible Metrics. :rolleyes:
Then do some missions and get some more expertise from sources other than the Doffs. IF you say "i do not have time for that" then you should probably not be playing an MMO and actually believe you can do/get everything.
Exactly. Whose feedback were they listening to?
For things like this I would like to see PWE be brave enough to put polls on the forum. Not ones where you can comment, just ones where you select one out of the how-ever-many options that are presented. You would also need to be logged in to vote to prevent people from multi-voting. That way they could say they listened to feedback and show us, rather than just say it.
What are you talking about?! Commendationd aren't gone at all. I receive one, every day now, for my alt I'm leveling up.
Which missions? Give me a mission that awards 15k expertise. Do a Borg STF and you are rewarded with a pittance. Tell me how to make 45k expertise per day in the 3 hours I have to play the game; during which time I need to obviously grind for the marks for each rep and, y'know, do stuff that interests me.
Tim
Replay story missions. Seriously. They reward Expertise like crazy. Especially Featured Episodes.
TRIBBLE Hydra! Hail Janeway!
Some give upwards 30K even.
Enjoy it until Season 9 comes along, 'cause you'll not get any more after that.
If Season 9 doesn't come within the next 8 days, I'm golden.
Like which ones? All the ones I'm seeing are like 4-5k-ish.
I ferget. It's been a while since I did them. But if you do the story missions in order you'll get enough to completely level a character.
What they fail to realize is that once they bring the new reputation costs in, the expertise for tier projects will not be increasing. It'll stay static through all the tiers much like how it does now through the Dyson rep.
BUT the large project for dyson currently doesnt have any Expertise requirement and will be getting one so unless they are going to make it tiny then then adding that in along with a 5th rep will still mean there will be hurt for expertise.
No if it is balanced out by the reduction in expertise costs of the other rep projects. If they make it a fixed amount like the current 1hr Dyson one then the costs are in fact going down.
If they leave any Expertise cost at all, which the Commendation-fueled Dyson missions never had, then the costs are in fact going up and your fanboi logic fails hard. No matter what kind of rose-colored glasses you're wearing, any expertise cost is a cost increase compared to no expertise cost. :rolleyes:
If you'd like to dispute that, start by describing what mathematical system you're using where 0 > 1.
Except when talking about the entire reputation system you cant know either way .
We dont yet know what the expertise cost of the other missions will be changing to. So the net expertise may well be lower, regardless of it now covering 8 missions not 7.
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this, seriously, just doing dailys nets me enough to do reps, and that is not even including ALL the extra i have leftover from leveling.
I don't either. I could pay for an entire starbase's worth of expertise by now.
Keep in mind that this implies that one actually levels and does the Missions (which are pretty much a 'Monty Haul' that showers you in Expertise, in my Experience). The people that 'Run out of Expertise' are most likely leveling via Doff System or 'Experience Boost' zones, maybe Fleet Actions. The former gives some bonus, but I don't remember 'Experience Boost Zones' giving much Expertise, during the leveling of my last alt.
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so they go with the route that gets only a VERY limited amount of EXP to level, in a game where it takes a week or two at most to get to max level even at only an hour or two of playing each day, and they complain about lack of expertise
terrible example, because in STO, it is easy to get expertise without trying or even thinking about it, in real life, it is not easy making money unless you are really lucky, really skilled at something, or have a lot of experience.
Real life money to STO expertise analogy: Pay is in hundreds of Mexican Pesos and your expenses are in thousands of US dollars.
Heh.:rolleyes:
Officially Nerfed In Early 2410
My newest toon is a KDF sci, I leveled her up via doffing... got to Marauding T3 and Trade T4 by the time she was level 50... and got over a million expertise along the way.