Folks, read the blog. Do not go ballistic unless and until you read the blog and understand what it's saying.
And even then, bear in mind that it's still on Tribble and therefore subject to change.
If you have concerns about it, do the reps on Tribble and give 'em feedback.
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trying to log onto tribble for 6 hours now... keeps freezing on 49% as mentioned in the tribble forums. i would test it and clarify my own thought about this matter if the game would work
if its the same mission then i am okay with it (as stated various times now) but i fear it wont be as 3 minute mission for 55 marks.. can't be true as its for our advantage and people would just do that mission over and over again. as it would be the easiest and fastest way to get marks then.
that's the thing i am concerned about , IF the missiin stays the same and gives enough marks t fill the large project and the small one. as the old mission gave enough as it gave the commendation and marks.
then i am okay with it and all the changes are cool with me (except the sensor analysis manual toggle thing currently on tribble)
but if it will be a mandatory stf mission to get the 55 marks . it will take more time as before. thats what i dont like about it. as the mission to get the stuff needed for the prjects are longer then. ergo taking much more time for all toons and thus making the commendations 3 minute mission and loosing it a valid point of concern.
if its the same mission then i am okay with it (as stated various times now) but i fear it wont be as 3 minute mission for 55 marks.. can't be true as its for our advantage and people would just do that mission over and over again. as it would be the easiest and fastest way to get marks then.
that's the thing i am concerned about , IF the missiin stays the same and gives enough marks t fill the large project and the small one. as the old mission gave enough as it gave the commendation and marks.
then i am okay with it and all the changes are cool with me (except the sensor analysis manual toggle thing currently on tribble)
but if it will be a mandatory stf mission to get the 55 marks . it will take more time as before. thats what i dont like about it. as the mission to get the stuff needed for the prjects are longer then. ergo taking much more time for all toons and thus making the commendations 3 minute mission and loosing it a valid point of concern.
except you can only get the bonus once a day, just like you get commendation.
considering that its the quest that currently gives the commendation that will give the bonus marks instead......
Remember who we are dealing with. The 'fly and scan at 3 spots' Mission was done rapidly. Even easier on Ships with Cloak, because the Missions did not include 'kill the stuff that spawns due to your interactions'.
Wouldn't be surprised if the 'Daily Box' would be put on STFs and Ground Battlezone content.
However, one thing I would prefer to see on Dyson Rep, especially in the Battlezone: A restriction on what you can get for the 'Rex' Events, more specifically, the 'Rex Event' should not reward on 'shoot the Rex once', but it should only reward when the PLAYER (to prevent BO parking) is present in the moment it keels over. Also, the whole thing HAS to be linked to Zone contribution first, an AFKer who waits in the Command Center has no right to get the Reward of an Event series that only appears when people actually contribute to the Zone.
Also, forced transport when a player uses the transporters inside the zone, to get rid of 'parking'.
They're essentially removing the commendations and replacing them with an number of extra marks equal to the the value of the commendation needed for a daily + hourly rep project.
So really things are going to be exactly the same as the currently are but you'll also have so surplus marks once you've started the daily + hourly projects.
I can't see the problem with this.
Plus it looks like they are also getting rid of the need for all the various commodities which IMO is a great idea. Getting the commodities required for various rep projects was a pain as you either farmed for them or went to the exchange (which has wildly varying prices for some items).
i don't know about you, but i got like 10 marks at most during the voth daily, since i either did the command daily or the supply daily.
as long as it is easy as the voth one(and most importantly fast), i don't think there will an issue.
If they are revamping the system for the rest of the reputations than yes there shouldn't be any troubles but if they leave them as they are now then there will be problems. I was hoping that they were redoing the rep system to make it more like the Dyson since the dyson was so popular and quick to accomplish things in. All three reputations could use a sprucing up to make it a bit better imo.
There's also the issue of unlocking stores. The old system uses an unlock, still more marks needed whereas the dyson just gave you access when you completed a tier. Here's to hoping they update that as well in Season 9!
We are going to get additional marks for the first thing a day. This amount of marks will be enough to finish up a project. Next to that, you get the original amount of marks for the thing, which you can use as your fallback in case you don't want to spend more than 3 minutes on a character.
For example: I do an Elite STF. I get 60 marks, plus an additional 30 marks (just a random number) for it being the first Omega related thing I complete that day. If I don't want to spend time on that character the next few days, I just use the 60 marks to fill up another 2 days of reputation project. That way, this mission will give me the rewards needed for 3 days of repping, also known as 6000 reputation points. Numbers are not confirmed, this is just a random example made up with random numbers.
The Commendations get replaced by Marks. They are not going to go uncompensated. Personally, I'm liking this change.
Just curious if we are going to get bonus marks after we hit tier 5. Now that would be truly awesome.
One thing I like about the bonus is once you reach maximum tier (currently 5), the bonus (of 55) will help you get marks quicker for equipment as you no longer need it for moving to the next tier!
I am waiting for it to go live, as there are still gaps in exactly how it will all glue together and the subject to change is open to to any changes that they want ...
This seems like a really good change. Maybe there are some issues, as each rep is different but on the surface this seems positive.
Instead of getting the commendation, you get equivalent marks worth a commendation as a daily. You can then either slot the big project, or use it in other unlocks. nothing changes other than its simpler and more flexible.
Even with the 5 commendations that cost 350 marks works out better as you now dont have to reach that figure. Let's say you stock up 300 marks over the weekend to get you through the week. You can just use them straight away, where before you had to earn that extra 50 marks to convert them whether you felt like doing it or not.
The problem I have is I can't get the "5 packs" any more!
As someone who doesn't have a lot of hours to spend playing each day, I could run 1 Alt for a few hours, get enough Marks to buy a "5 pack" of commendations, then I didn't need to "play" that toon for 6 days, I could just load the Alt, cycle DoFF missions, and load an Upgrade project with one of the "banked" commendations every 20 hrs or so ...
Now I'll have to run at least 1 or 2 missions on each and every toon, each and every day to get the marks for each and every project ...
Under the commendation system you could do the ground daily missions once per day, get a commendation and some marks. That would provide you with the resources to slot the daily project and get over 100 marks spare. This meant that by the time you filled a tier you had almost enough marks to buy the piece of space equipment associated with that tier.
Under the new system if you you do a daily mission you get enough to start a daily project plus 25 marks. Using the information provided in Season 9 Dev blog 3, a daily project is worth 2,500 reputation marks. That means 40 daily projects to complete the entire reputation. That means, after you take out the marks used for the daily projects, you will have 40 x 25 marks spare. 1,000 marks. Enough to buy ONE piece of a space set and change left for another.
This means we're behind where we were.
If you played infrequently you could do the daily three or four days in a row (allowing you to slot the daily project during those 3 or 4 days) and then earn enough marks to buy 5 commendations in case you didn't have the time to play for a few days. Under the new system if you do the daily 4 times and you're slotting the daily project you'll be left with 100 marks. Enough to slot daily projects for 3 days, not the 5 we originally had.
I can't believe that commendations are gone and I can't believe that people didn't like it. Separating the currency needed to levelling the reputation and buying equipment was the best thing that happened to the reputation system. I doubt that we'll get it back now. And you will all look back to when the Voth reputation came out and wish it was like it was back then.
Ummm.... it will be easier to level all reps now... We are not going behind....
The problem I have is I can't get the "5 packs" any more!
As someone who doesn't have a lot of hours to spend playing each day, I could run 1 Alt for a few hours, get enough Marks to buy a "5 pack" of commendations, then I didn't need to "play" that toon for 6 days, I could just load the Alt, cycle DoFF missions, and load an Upgrade project with one of the "banked" commendations every 20 hrs or so ...
Now I'll have to run at least 1 or 2 missions on each and every toon, each and every day to get the marks for each and every project ...
Except that now you can do that, but skip the part where you convert marks to commendations.
There's also the issue of unlocking stores. The old system uses an unlock, still more marks needed whereas the dyson just gave you access when you completed a tier. Here's to hoping they update that as well in Season 9!
The problem I have is I can't get the "5 packs" any more!
As someone who doesn't have a lot of hours to spend playing each day, I could run 1 Alt for a few hours, get enough Marks to buy a "5 pack" of commendations, then I didn't need to "play" that toon for 6 days, I could just load the Alt, cycle DoFF missions, and load an Upgrade project with one of the "banked" commendations every 20 hrs or so ...
Now I'll have to run at least 1 or 2 missions on each and every toon, each and every day to get the marks for each and every project ...
youur right, you cant get the 5 pack from 350 marks... but those 350 marks give you MORE than you need for the equivalent 5 dailies, so you would be better off not worse off.
Removal of non MK XII stores is a good thing. If you want Mk XI for alts there is still the dilithium store. The set peices... for me, if I'm going to spend the time to get MK XI, its not that much more time to go for Mk XII. On several alts I haven't even bothered unlocking the Mk XI stores.
The Mark cost increase for the MK XII is not the problem, it was the ridiculous extra dilithium increase. Dilitium costs for rep items is too high.
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The problem I have is I can't get the "5 packs" any more!
As someone who doesn't have a lot of hours to spend playing each day, I could run 1 Alt for a few hours, get enough Marks to buy a "5 pack" of commendations, then I didn't need to "play" that toon for 6 days, I could just load the Alt, cycle DoFF missions, and load an Upgrade project with one of the "banked" commendations every 20 hrs or so ...
Now I'll have to run at least 1 or 2 missions on each and every toon, each and every day to get the marks for each and every project ...
That actually means I get more bang for my five minute buck than before....just in a slightly different form.
Same question to everyone high-fiving about how great, and no negative change, this all is: How much Expertise and EC did you spend on those missions you were feeding Commendations into?
All reputations will have their Large and Small XP projects replaced with a Daily and an Hourly XP project. Each of these projects requires the following:
Marks
Expertise
Energy Credits
Where I've run through Dyson using nothing but Commendations. No Expertise. No EC.
Yeah, nothing but improvement my TRIBBLE. :rolleyes:
Only thing I like is the removal of materials in replacement for pure EC + the only real requirement will be the daily one (At 2500 its only 300 short of what the previous dailies gave combined) so if im feeling lazy I simply have to do that 30 mark daily for each tier per char.
Hoping the new Omega/Nukara/Rom item rewards are more useful then the Dyson ones.
Only thing I like is the removal of materials in replacement for pure EC + the only real requirement will be the daily one (At 2500 its only 300 short of what the previous dailies gave combined) so if im feeling lazy I simply have to do that 30 mark daily for each tier per char.
Hoping the new Omega/Nukara/Rom item rewards are more useful then the Dyson ones.
New Reward items ? Missed that one clearly.
and not relvant to this quote but how are people STILL thinking they will be worse off with regards to time to collect the resources?
and not relvant to this quote but how are people STILL thinking they will be worse off with regards to time to collect the resources?
As I said before, keep in mind who we are dealing with. There is a high chance that the easy 'Scan 3 things' we have currently in the Sphere, for example, might not qualify for the 'Daily reward pack'.
Also, keep in mind that in the non-dyson Rep lines, the cost for marks increases. Who says that the T4 -> T5 Projects might not turn out needing 60 or 70 Marks (for the 'Big' one).
I can't believe that commendations are gone and I can't believe that people didn't like it.
Based on what i read in dev blog 3 it was implied that PWE changed the system without influence, my guess is that because the comms made it a lot easier and it didnt fly with their grind-a-thon MO (it was a test to begin with and they did state as such before dyson went active). so now they are trying to find a middle point between the old system we have and that dyson system that is getting kicked out.
i liked the comms 1 a day, it gave time to do other grinds and other things.
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As I said before, keep in mind who we are dealing with. There is a high chance that the easy 'Scan 3 things' we have currently in the Sphere, for example, might not qualify for the 'Daily reward pack'.
Also, keep in mind that in the non-dyson Rep lines, the cost for marks increases. Who says that the T4 -> T5 Projects might not turn out needing 60 or 70 Marks (for the 'Big' one).
We are clearly not reading the same thing or getting totally different from it.
I wouldnt know about the scan 3 things, but the ground quest that we currently have is the longest of the lot anyway so would surely still be the same one. and I didnt see anywhere suggesting they would be going to something like those levels, infact what I read seemed to suggest they would go to the sort of dyson levels.
We are clearly not reading the same thing or getting totally different from it.
I wouldnt know about the scan 3 things, but the ground quest that we currently have is the longest of the lot anyway so would surely still be the same one. and I didnt see anywhere suggesting they would be going to something like those levels, infact what I read seemed to suggest they would go to the sort of dyson levels.
'Scan 3 things' is a Space Mission you often get from Joint Command, when Portaling/Transwarping in. Usually, you fly to 3 points to scan for cloaked Voth ships, and you do not have to kill those Voth. Plus the Scan works while cloaked (Intended? Unintended?).
Another Variant is 'Transmit Data', where you act as courier to transmit Data to an allied ship in the Allied Zone, down at the Ion Stream. You get ambushed halfway, but do not need to destroy the ships. There are 6-7 of those easy Space Missions that give out a Commendation at the moment. They are PERFECT for people with many alts doing the Dyson grind.
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The best end result might be once the Grind is done, the 'Daily' Pack with Marks only would help with aquiring Marks for Gear or the 'Dilithium Trade in'.
It doesn't "seem to suggest," it explicitly says they're doing that.
The daily bonus marks on the same mechanic duplicates the core commendation function of activating a "free" 20 hour project and more:
-It also activates a "free" 1 hour project (leaving the entire base mark reward as surplus)
-It is far more efficient for weekend warriors for whom the marks>commendation conversion was created - these players only need 225 marks to roll 20 hour projects through the weekdays, compared to 300 currently. For another 75 they can also run a 1 hour project once a day through the week at the same cost of the current system.
-At tier 5 the bonus contributes to requisition projects.
The major downside is the dilithium conversion. At tier 5, a commendation converts to 820 dilithium and 20 marks (for another 200 dilithium) on a 20 hour timer. The mark bonus converts to 350 on a 15 second timer. However, the implimentation of item boxes on other reputations also suggests a need for a tier 5 20 hour project as well, meaning there could still be an identical project running on marks, though I would still count on a reduction.
The Dyson rep is not easier because of the commendations, it's easier because getting marks is way more easier (the sheer volume), because the requirements for the daily tier increase are so less (only one thing really, regardess it being a commendation or whatever), because tier unlock project only needed 5 marks and it completed almost immediately and because there were basic no unlock that required you to spend marks on them. The commendations are absolutely unnecessary.
Dude, too much level headed common sense in one post. Don't waste it all on one reply. Where's the hyperbole? Where's the rant? Where's the personal attack?
I'm deeply disappointed.
It doesn't "seem to suggest," it explicitly says they're doing that.
The daily bonus marks on the same mechanic duplicates the core commendation function of activating a "free" 20 hour project and more:
The daily bonus mark scam doesn't "duplicate the core commendation function" until the daily bonus includes the Expertise and Energy Credits the new projects will require that the Commendation-fueled projects didn't.
Dude, too much level headed common sense in one post. Don't waste it all on one reply. Where's the hyperbole? Where's the rant? Where's the personal attack?
I'm deeply disappointed.
All reputations will have their Large and Small XP projects replaced with a Daily and an Hourly XP project. Each of these projects requires the following:
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If you have concerns about it, do the reps on Tribble and give 'em feedback.
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considering that its the quest that currently gives the commendation that will give the bonus marks instead......
that's the thing i am concerned about , IF the missiin stays the same and gives enough marks t fill the large project and the small one. as the old mission gave enough as it gave the commendation and marks.
then i am okay with it and all the changes are cool with me (except the sensor analysis manual toggle thing currently on tribble)
but if it will be a mandatory stf mission to get the 55 marks . it will take more time as before. thats what i dont like about it. as the mission to get the stuff needed for the prjects are longer then. ergo taking much more time for all toons and thus making the commendations 3 minute mission and loosing it a valid point of concern.
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except you can only get the bonus once a day, just like you get commendation.
Remember who we are dealing with. The 'fly and scan at 3 spots' Mission was done rapidly. Even easier on Ships with Cloak, because the Missions did not include 'kill the stuff that spawns due to your interactions'.
Wouldn't be surprised if the 'Daily Box' would be put on STFs and Ground Battlezone content.
However, one thing I would prefer to see on Dyson Rep, especially in the Battlezone: A restriction on what you can get for the 'Rex' Events, more specifically, the 'Rex Event' should not reward on 'shoot the Rex once', but it should only reward when the PLAYER (to prevent BO parking) is present in the moment it keels over. Also, the whole thing HAS to be linked to Zone contribution first, an AFKer who waits in the Command Center has no right to get the Reward of an Event series that only appears when people actually contribute to the Zone.
Also, forced transport when a player uses the transporters inside the zone, to get rid of 'parking'.
So really things are going to be exactly the same as the currently are but you'll also have so surplus marks once you've started the daily + hourly projects.
I can't see the problem with this.
Plus it looks like they are also getting rid of the need for all the various commodities which IMO is a great idea. Getting the commodities required for various rep projects was a pain as you either farmed for them or went to the exchange (which has wildly varying prices for some items).
If they are revamping the system for the rest of the reputations than yes there shouldn't be any troubles but if they leave them as they are now then there will be problems. I was hoping that they were redoing the rep system to make it more like the Dyson since the dyson was so popular and quick to accomplish things in. All three reputations could use a sprucing up to make it a bit better imo.
There's also the issue of unlocking stores. The old system uses an unlock, still more marks needed whereas the dyson just gave you access when you completed a tier. Here's to hoping they update that as well in Season 9!
We are going to get additional marks for the first thing a day. This amount of marks will be enough to finish up a project. Next to that, you get the original amount of marks for the thing, which you can use as your fallback in case you don't want to spend more than 3 minutes on a character.
For example: I do an Elite STF. I get 60 marks, plus an additional 30 marks (just a random number) for it being the first Omega related thing I complete that day. If I don't want to spend time on that character the next few days, I just use the 60 marks to fill up another 2 days of reputation project. That way, this mission will give me the rewards needed for 3 days of repping, also known as 6000 reputation points. Numbers are not confirmed, this is just a random example made up with random numbers.
The Commendations get replaced by Marks. They are not going to go uncompensated. Personally, I'm liking this change.
Just curious if we are going to get bonus marks after we hit tier 5. Now that would be truly awesome.
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I am waiting for it to go live, as there are still gaps in exactly how it will all glue together and the subject to change is open to to any changes that they want ...
Instead of getting the commendation, you get equivalent marks worth a commendation as a daily. You can then either slot the big project, or use it in other unlocks. nothing changes other than its simpler and more flexible.
Even with the 5 commendations that cost 350 marks works out better as you now dont have to reach that figure. Let's say you stock up 300 marks over the weekend to get you through the week. You can just use them straight away, where before you had to earn that extra 50 marks to convert them whether you felt like doing it or not.
As someone who doesn't have a lot of hours to spend playing each day, I could run 1 Alt for a few hours, get enough Marks to buy a "5 pack" of commendations, then I didn't need to "play" that toon for 6 days, I could just load the Alt, cycle DoFF missions, and load an Upgrade project with one of the "banked" commendations every 20 hrs or so ...
Now I'll have to run at least 1 or 2 missions on each and every toon, each and every day to get the marks for each and every project ...
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the blog said as much
really, i didnt see where it said that.
youur right, you cant get the 5 pack from 350 marks... but those 350 marks give you MORE than you need for the equivalent 5 dailies, so you would be better off not worse off.
The Mark cost increase for the MK XII is not the problem, it was the ridiculous extra dilithium increase. Dilitium costs for rep items is too high.
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I see this as a big problem.
I see your point but disagree. The new system offers less marks after you run it the first time. Everything as it is gives you the same marks.
Same question to everyone high-fiving about how great, and no negative change, this all is: How much Expertise and EC did you spend on those missions you were feeding Commendations into?
Where I've run through Dyson using nothing but Commendations. No Expertise. No EC.
Yeah, nothing but improvement my TRIBBLE. :rolleyes:
Assume the position...
Hoping the new Omega/Nukara/Rom item rewards are more useful then the Dyson ones.
New Reward items ? Missed that one clearly.
and not relvant to this quote but how are people STILL thinking they will be worse off with regards to time to collect the resources?
As I said before, keep in mind who we are dealing with. There is a high chance that the easy 'Scan 3 things' we have currently in the Sphere, for example, might not qualify for the 'Daily reward pack'.
Also, keep in mind that in the non-dyson Rep lines, the cost for marks increases. Who says that the T4 -> T5 Projects might not turn out needing 60 or 70 Marks (for the 'Big' one).
Based on what i read in dev blog 3 it was implied that PWE changed the system without influence, my guess is that because the comms made it a lot easier and it didnt fly with their grind-a-thon MO (it was a test to begin with and they did state as such before dyson went active). so now they are trying to find a middle point between the old system we have and that dyson system that is getting kicked out.
i liked the comms 1 a day, it gave time to do other grinds and other things.
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We are clearly not reading the same thing or getting totally different from it.
I wouldnt know about the scan 3 things, but the ground quest that we currently have is the longest of the lot anyway so would surely still be the same one. and I didnt see anywhere suggesting they would be going to something like those levels, infact what I read seemed to suggest they would go to the sort of dyson levels.
'Scan 3 things' is a Space Mission you often get from Joint Command, when Portaling/Transwarping in. Usually, you fly to 3 points to scan for cloaked Voth ships, and you do not have to kill those Voth. Plus the Scan works while cloaked (Intended? Unintended?).
Another Variant is 'Transmit Data', where you act as courier to transmit Data to an allied ship in the Allied Zone, down at the Ion Stream. You get ambushed halfway, but do not need to destroy the ships. There are 6-7 of those easy Space Missions that give out a Commendation at the moment. They are PERFECT for people with many alts doing the Dyson grind.
Edit:
The best end result might be once the Grind is done, the 'Daily' Pack with Marks only would help with aquiring Marks for Gear or the 'Dilithium Trade in'.
The daily bonus marks on the same mechanic duplicates the core commendation function of activating a "free" 20 hour project and more:
-It also activates a "free" 1 hour project (leaving the entire base mark reward as surplus)
-It is far more efficient for weekend warriors for whom the marks>commendation conversion was created - these players only need 225 marks to roll 20 hour projects through the weekdays, compared to 300 currently. For another 75 they can also run a 1 hour project once a day through the week at the same cost of the current system.
-At tier 5 the bonus contributes to requisition projects.
The major downside is the dilithium conversion. At tier 5, a commendation converts to 820 dilithium and 20 marks (for another 200 dilithium) on a 20 hour timer. The mark bonus converts to 350 on a 15 second timer. However, the implimentation of item boxes on other reputations also suggests a need for a tier 5 20 hour project as well, meaning there could still be an identical project running on marks, though I would still count on a reduction.
Dude, too much level headed common sense in one post. Don't waste it all on one reply. Where's the hyperbole? Where's the rant? Where's the personal attack?
I'm deeply disappointed.
The daily bonus mark scam doesn't "duplicate the core commendation function" until the daily bonus includes the Expertise and Energy Credits the new projects will require that the Commendation-fueled projects didn't.
But you just keep lapping up that PWE Kool-Aid.
The blog said as much:
http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3038363
More thinking, less Kool-Aid drinking. :rolleyes: