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Why are Fleet ships better than ships you can buy for real money from the C-store?

shireknightshireknight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2014 in The Academy
Just been looking at the blog for the new Galaxy Dreadnought (looks like a very nice ship) and then I noticed that it mentions that all Fleet versions of ships are 10% stronger and have an extra console slot than the equivalent version that can be brought from the C-store.

I have to ask, why is a ship you can get for free better than the same ship I can buy for real life money in the in-game shop? that sounds a bit upside down to me :confused:
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You don't get it for free, you have to get Fleet Ship Modules (500 ZEN each). Five (thank you for your correction, projectfront- I mean, Maya) (plus tons of fleet credits) if you don't have the C-Store Version, one if you do have the C-Store Version.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Keep in mind that Fleet ships cost real money too. They cost the money for the Modules and they cost all the expense it takes to get the Fleet to T5.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They can both be free if you have the time and patience for it. But the fleet ships aren't free. You need modules.
    Also, I think it's a sort of "reward" for cooperative play. Don't know, I'm not in a fleet.-
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Because they can all be gotten for free in the same way by playing the game.

    If you play long enough to earn enough dililthium you can buy the store ship. If you only buy Fleet modules off the market the ship is cheap but you don't get the snazzy console. Cryptics general idea is that the fleet ship is an optional upgrade to the store ship for people who own the store ship hence why they are cheaper if you own the store ship.

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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have to ask, why is a ship you can get for free better than the same ship I can buy for real life money in the in-game shop? that sounds a bit upside down to me

    The Fleet ships aren't really free. For those that offer an additional console and 10% more hull & shields, you'll have to pay 4-5 fleet ship modules, which in turn are only obtainable through the c-store and cost 500 Zen each.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    And the important thing to keep in mind here is that while X might be free to you for doing the grind to get it, someone paid for it. So even if you buy Modules on the Exchange, someone paid the Zen for those Modules so they could sell them for EC. This means that Cryptic still gets paid by someone, even if it is not the person using the Module to get the Fleet ship.

    The Dilithium Exchange is essentially a work-for-hire program. Someone does not want to do the work to get the Dilithium so they buy the Zen and pay someone else to get the Dilthium for them.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's also worth pointing out that the fleet versions don't come with the consoles that the c-store version does.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's also worth pointing out that the fleet versions don't come with the consoles that the c-store version does.

    Yep. Some of them come with visuals unique to the C-store versions as well. Armitage for example.
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  • tarsudotarsudo Member Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You have to consider 1 difference more:

    C-store ships are for all characters in the same faction in the same account, example: my Karfi Carrier (C-store ship) i will can reclaim for my 9 kdf chars.

    Fleet Ships: my Fleet Vorcha, only can be use for 1 character no more.

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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tarsudo wrote: »
    You have to consider 1 difference more:

    C-store ships are for all characters in the same faction in the same account, example: my Karfi Carrier (C-store ship) i will can reclaim for my 9 kdf chars.

    Fleet Ships: my Fleet Vorcha, only can be use for 1 character no more.

    Qapla'

    Good point. Forgot about that.
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  • shireknightshireknight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh yeah I forgot about the Fleet credits.
    tarsudo wrote: »
    You have to consider 1 difference more:

    C-store ships are for all characters in the same faction in the same account, example: my Karfi Carrier (C-store ship) i will can reclaim for my 9 kdf chars.

    Fleet Ships: my Fleet Vorcha, only can be use for 1 character no more.

    Qapla'

    and thanks for this tarsudo you answered my next question before I even asked it "if I buy the Galaxy bundle can the next Federation character I make use it too" :D
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's also worth pointing out that the fleet versions don't come with the consoles that the c-store version does.
    The Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer would like a word with you, since it does come with the Dynamic Tactical system console, just like the normal Chimera Heavy Destroyer (and its KDF and Romulan counterparts).
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    To be honest, the increase is not always worth the cost. For fleet ships, you can only use them on that character you got it on (as mentioned by others before). However, with the C-Store ships, you can also use them on other characters from that faction (as also mentioned before).

    I got both, the C-Store Defiant (with the cloak), and the fleet ship. The fleet ship does have the extra 10% shields, and hull, plus an extra tac console. The fleet Defiant was not worth it. The slight increase doesn't make up for needing to spend the same resources on every single character I want a Defiant on.

    There are some ships that I have been told the 10% shields and hull are worth a slightly better survivability.

    What I would recommend is to first consider what you are looking for. If you want to get ships for all of your characters, then it might be better to consider the C-Store ships. Also, you will need to consider your resources.

    If you don't have much real money, it can take a very long time to grind the Dilithium for the C-Store ships. However, the fleet ships are much easier to grind for, because you don't have a refinement limit per day, like Dilithium ore. This will let you farm enough to get at least one ship per week, as long as your fleet holdings have projects running that you can donate to. Also, the fleet ship modules can be purchased off the exchange. This means that the Dilithium you grind doesn't need to be wasted on them.

    The C-Store bundles, and ships will be cheaper in the long run because it is an account unlock. It is just the refinement limit makes it take so long to get. If not for the limit, you could get the C-Store ships almost as fast as you can get the fleet ships.
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  • projectfrontierprojectfrontier Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You don't get it for free, you have to get Fleet Ship Modules (500 ZEN each). Four (plus tons of fleet credits) if you don't have the C-Store Version, one if you do have the C-Store Version.

    The difference between the two are 4 fleet modules, so shut up Wesley.
  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The difference between the two are 4 fleet modules, so shut up Wesley.

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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer would like a word with you, since it does come with the Dynamic Tactical system console, just like the normal Chimera Heavy Destroyer (and its KDF and Romulan counterparts).


    I don't count them, because they are only available to limited section of the player base.
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    C-store ships are account wide and can be obtained as long as you have zen. Fleet ships are character unlocks, and take not only having a fleet, but many take quite a long time to get the max fleet level AND also getting the fleet modules. And as said above, Fleet Store ships do not have the special consoles.
  • shireknightshireknight Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Thanks for the comments guys I've just set up a second Federation character and brought the original series bundle plus the original Enterprise C-store ship for him and I'm pleased to say just as previous posters have mentioned the items are also now unlocked in my first characters C-store too -I'm well happy and yeah probably won't bother with the fleet ships now but stick with just the C-store ships instead :)
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The Fleet Chimera Heavy Destroyer would like a word with you, since it does come with the Dynamic Tactical system console, just like the normal Chimera Heavy Destroyer (and its KDF and Romulan counterparts).

    Isn't that a bit of a special case, since it's only available to Veterans in the first place? There is no need to not give the console for PGI, since you cannot possibel have the ship without being a Veteran and having the non-Fleet version? Or am I wrong on this, and everyone can buy the fleet version?
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Isn't that a bit of a special case, since it's only available to Veterans in the first place? There is no need to not give the console for PGI, since you cannot possibel have the ship without being a Veteran and having the non-Fleet version? Or am I wrong on this, and everyone can buy the fleet version?

    Only Vets can buy the fleet version.

    Not sure why they include the DTS in the fleet version, though, since you'll thus already have access to one by claiming and discharging the non-fleet version...
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Only Vets can buy the fleet version.

    Not sure why they include the DTS in the fleet version, though, since you'll thus already have access to one by claiming and discharging the non-fleet version...

    Convenience, perhaps? The do it deliberately for the others so you have to buy the ship and the fleet ship modules (with discount, if you do in the right order) if you want all the perks... But they don't make any money from the non-fleet version anyway.

    Or oversight...
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  • undedavengerundedavenger Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Convenience, perhaps? The do it deliberately for the others so you have to buy the ship and the fleet ship modules (with discount, if you do in the right order) if you want all the perks... But they don't make any money from the non-fleet version anyway.

    Or oversight...

    I'd say they make plenty of money, condiering how many months you have to pay membership or have to pay lifetime.

    I'd say the Chimera is one of the most expensive ships in the game.
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  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Convenience, perhaps? The do it deliberately for the others so you have to buy the ship and the fleet ship modules (with discount, if you do in the right order) if you want all the perks... But they don't make any money from the non-fleet version anyway.

    Or oversight...

    Probably more work to take it out than leave it in.

    And shouldnt you be camping under your pointy hat somewhere........
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