While it's true that Feds don't have quite the problems that KDF have with outfits, there are places where even that is broken. On my Federation and Federation-allied Romulans, any Off Duty or Formal outfit slot eventually turns into a Uniform slot, making the outfit revert to some basic thing when you try to edit it. Because of that, you have to rebuild the whole thing to make even a minor alteration.
FYI, that is not a Fed-only bug.
Hell, the KDF cannot even customize the T4 Marauder (equivalent to Diplomacy) BOFF that you can get.
As per the title, this topic asks the question - what does the Federation get?
Romulan's special thing is "Cloaks and Singularity";
KDF's special thing is "Cloaks and Cannons";
Feds get what?
I propose subsystem targetting for all Federation ships (and a "meaningful" Phaser "proc"). Discuss.
Of course fed side doesnt get any special ability and probably wont get ever. Its like on purpose the devs are making preatty much all stuff weaker for fed side. Setting aside any faction special ability or "thing", as the others have, just look at the elite fleet weapons and the doff system. Even common sense tells you that.
And it really makes me laugh when you see the trolls replys (kdf mostly) about feds getting more ships and players lol. This is irrelevant. When quantity = quality??? For example lets say the feds have 15 ships and the kdf have 5 ships out of a type/class. The fed side will still pick the top 5 from those 15.
And speaking and cloaks and cloak detection, the whole system is unbalanced. Fed ships in order to detect cloaked ships, have to sacrifice aux power and skill points for it, thus DPS or hull or whatever those points are taken from, aswell a sci boff ability to pull the ship out of cloak, thus sacrifing a potential heal skill... The cloaks dont have to sacrifice nothing, especially for the free kdf innate cloak (not battle cloak). If the Stealth Skill would actually matter, as if there are none points invested in it, the cloak would be utterly useless (as in even if its active or not, the ships is still spotted from 10km away and such), and as you spend points in it to become efective as is now, would be a more balanced system.
But this wont happend either, nor any special fed ability either, as long as the devs, judging by their response on the Avenger/Mogh "balance", consider the free cloak innate ability to be "nothing" :rolleyes:
Roms get everything everyone else gets with more cloaky, valdore consoles, crits and pet's.
With -10 to all subsystems, they still get +75 to most things, not that they need shied power with consoles that out tank BO abilities, singularity powers stronger than rank 3 sci abilities, defence bonuses coming out of cloak, and a battlecloak that makes you in visible when when they are 0km.
They are hilariously broken.
My only beef with them is that we have ships the size of ESD turning like a BoP. If anything could be said to ruin my immersion, its' that.
Also, pulling the camera all the way out still gets me a warbird taking up a lot of screen.
In conclusion: The Feds get the ability to see the map.
Btw, Auxbatts does wonders for low Aux as does EPTAux. Sensors is not a tough skill to spend points on and if you can detect a cloaked ship and its in range you can shoot it while its cloaked, which is a huge bonus towards killing it. No special sci powers needed to decloak it.
As per the title, this topic asks the question - what does the Federation get?
Romulan's special thing is "Cloaks and Singularity";
KDF's special thing is "Cloaks and Cannons";
Feds get what?
I propose subsystem targetting for all Federation ships (and a "meaningful" Phaser "proc"). Discuss.
Oh, let me be more specific than that.
Feds get: 90% of all new ship designs, complete faction, working uniforms, bugs fixed the very next patch (see before mentioned uniforms as an example) and ship packs that have extraordinary set bonuses.
KDF gets: Battle cloaks and most ships that can use cannons.
Romulan gets: Almost all of the abilities of KDF and FED zstore ship consoles for free via singularity abilities, battle cloaks, cannons, very high boff bonuses that directly affect space combat and ship designs that make Fed and KDF ships seem two tiers below them.
Lets not forget that before the Romulans came into the game, the Feds got ALL of the good KDF zstore consoles via lockboxes. In contrast, fed 'good' consoles were not given to the KDF because they tend to be in high tier ships.
Let's not forget the Federation was given a carrier because of the whining that the KDF had one...and the KDF is still waiting for its uniforms to be fixed.
Let's not forget the Feds just got their dreadnaught 'upgraded' while it is very clear that NO KDF SHIP will receive the same treatment. Perhaps its next in line... after the uniforms. Maybe? /sigh.
Fed phaser proc is VERY powerful. Not only does phaser disable subsystems, the elite fleet version heals your own shields. You toss a FAW and your shields beef up. I use them on my fed sci ship and I gave up a major shield heal boff ability because my phasers were doing that job nicely.
Subsystem targeting is found only in science ships. Guess who has the most science ships? Fed.
The ONLY thing I agree with you is that the Federation does need a 'defining' attribute. Federation is all about engineering and science so perhaps the Fed ships could receive a passive bonus of +5 stats to all stat-boosting equipment.
This means if your deflector says +18 to several stats it ends up giving +23...and then the sci/engineering consoles also get the same boost per stat ... its a small buff but it adds up quickly as you put more consoles adding up the same stat.
That alone would give all Federation ships the 'engineering and science' robustness that is their trademark.
...and KDF could for a change receive a boff with space passive bonus that helps their weapons... say accuracy buff or weapon power resist buff (so firing weapons dont drain that much power). and fix their g-damn uniforms already.
Roms get everything everyone else gets with more cloaky, valdore consoles, crits and pet's.
With -10 to all subsystems, they still get +75 to most things, not that they need shied power with consoles that out tank BO abilities, singularity powers stronger than rank 3 sci abilities, defence bonuses coming out of cloak, and a battlecloak that makes you in visible when when they are 0km.
They are hilariously broken.
Someone must of gotten beaten pretty badly by a Romulan to exaggerate this badly...the valdore console doesn't come close to allowing you to drop EPTS and TSS (Or soon ST). Singularity jump I wouldn't call stronger than GW3...I'd just call it more unique.
Maybe it's time to invest in some skills in combating cloak if you're really so horrible speced out that they can get atop you and you still can't see them?
Feds get: 90% of all new ship designs, complete faction, working uniforms, bugs fixed the very next patch (see before mentioned uniforms as an example) and ship packs that have extraordinary set bonuses.
KDF gets: Battle cloaks and most ships that can use cannons.
Romulan gets: Almost all of the abilities of KDF and FED zstore ship consoles for free via singularity abilities, battle cloaks, cannons, very high boff bonuses that directly affect space combat and ship designs that make Fed and KDF ships seem two tiers below them.
Lets not forget that before the Romulans came into the game, the Feds got ALL of the good KDF zstore consoles via lockboxes. In contrast, fed 'good' consoles were not given to the KDF because they tend to be in high tier ships.
Let's not forget the Federation was given a carrier because of the whining that the KDF had one...and the KDF is still waiting for its uniforms to be fixed.
Let's not forget the Feds just got their dreadnaught 'upgraded' while it is very clear that NO KDF SHIP will receive the same treatment. Perhaps its next in line... after the uniforms. Maybe? /sigh.
Fed phaser proc is VERY powerful. Not only does phaser disable subsystems, the elite fleet version heals your own shields. You toss a FAW and your shields beef up. I use them on my fed sci ship and I gave up a major shield heal boff ability because my phasers were doing that job nicely.
Subsystem targeting is found only in science ships. Guess who has the most science ships? Fed.
The ONLY thing I agree with you is that the Federation does need a 'defining' attribute. Federation is all about engineering and science so perhaps the Fed ships could receive a passive bonus of +5 stats to all stat-boosting equipment.
This means if your deflector says +18 to several stats it ends up giving +23...and then the sci/engineering consoles also get the same boost per stat ... its a small buff but it adds up quickly as you put more consoles adding up the same stat.
That alone would give all Federation ships the 'engineering and science' robustness that is their trademark.
...and KDF could for a change receive a boff with space passive bonus that helps their weapons... say accuracy buff or weapon power resist buff (so firing weapons dont drain that much power). and fix their g-damn uniforms already.
I agree with you for the most part, but the hyperbole is getting out of hand.
Most people will tell you phasers are a bad investment. I don't know anyone who could tell you with a straight face that elite phasers are worth the time spent considering whether you'd use them or not.
And that GX saucer separation that everyone thinks is some kind of mega release has been on the waiting list for over a year. That's more of a resolved issue than any kind of special attention. I do think it should've come side by side with an update to the guramba, though, seeing as that's the GX's actual opfor analog and we all know it.
Subsystem targeting can be fitted on any ship.
Feds defining ability is their ability to tank and heal themselves and their teammates better than anyone else in game. Their defining ability just isn't relevant to how the game is played currently. We don't need to mess with stats, all that flexibility and options is enough already. The other factions just don't realise that they trade these abilities for much better offensive capabilities between decloaking alpha bs and elite disruptors. People would rather demand fed battle cloaks and klingon science ships than they would just go to the faction that specializes in what they want...
Also, it's pretty obvious no matter who started out with carriers, everyone would've gotten one eventually. The number of nul-faction ships with hangar bays is rapidly approaching the number of factional hangar bay ships combined, and probably already surpasses each faction individually.
I really don't know how they can neglect klingons so bad though. Gave away the torkhat, then gave it back to them re-skinned and expecting a cookie. No fleet ships. No wing cannon raptor. All the persevering bugs. It's crazy how ignored KDF is.
Someone must of gotten beaten pretty badly by a Romulan to exaggerate this badly...the valdore console doesn't come close to allowing you to drop EPTS and TSS (Or soon ST). Singularity jump I wouldn't call stronger than GW3...I'd just call it more unique.
Maybe it's time to invest in some skills in combating cloak if you're really so horrible speced out that they can get atop you and you still can't see them?
....Why would you drop any Eptx? It's not like there's so many relevant engineering abilities at ens level vying for your attention. Romulan power levels are not a handicap. It's so moronically easy in this game to fly around with all the power all the time that frankly, if you can't do it, you're doing something wrong.
In your defense though, I highly doubt battles have ever been decided by warbird abilities either. They're just glitz to try and distract you greenies from going all whack-a-mole on us with your cloaks, they're not really any kind of advantage.
The ONLY thing I agree with you is that the Federation does need a 'defining' attribute. Federation is all about engineering and science so perhaps the Fed ships could receive a passive bonus of +5 stats to all stat-boosting equipment.
Subsystem Targeting was simply chosen as an example of possible novelty traits, that is not the same thing as arguing for it. As for alternatives, your idea does not even qualify.
So I will propose some alternatives to SST that also come to mind:
(1) Put some type of hangar on all Federation ships. Perhaps it lets you slot actual hangar pets (cruisers), perhaps it lets you slot mines (escorts), perhaps it lets you slot gaseous anomalies (science ships). Maybe it is some variation of all three. Who knows? The Shadow knows!
(2) Come up with an alternative to SST for cruisers/escorts that has the "toggle use". Perhaps it is an engineering power on Escorts, perhaps it is science deflector-style power on Cruisers, perhaps we just stick free tac/eng/sci teams on all Federation ships and call it a day. The first two do not address how universally horrible science ship sst is, leaving us with TEAMS FOR EVERYBODY as the only one that even feigns attempt at unifying the Federation as "utilitarian" instead of "guess what is in the box".
(3) Give all Federation ships an arc buff on their weapons. They do all look a lot like flying saucers.
Whatever the case may be the abilities would need to involve some type of activation to keep them in line with the experience of singularity cores and cloaks.
...and KDF could for a change receive a boff with space passive bonus that helps their weapons... say accuracy buff or weapon power resist buff (so firing weapons dont drain that much power). and fix their g-damn uniforms already.
Ah, so you were not being serious about this topic you just wanted to redirect us down KDF Lane.
Your ideas for this are worse than your idea for the Federation. No the KDF would need something really special.
I have it!
MINES, MINES FOR EVERYBODY!
Yes, we shall give all KDF ships the ability to use mine-powers as ship toggle powers and make it as useless as SST and whatever is added to Federation ships.
Better still - it will not step on the toes of singularity powers as Starfleet and KDF will still have something weaker than all-hail-the-singularity-core-sales-gimmick.
Just wait, in a few years the devs will lose their minds and give Feds the ability to fly the Enterprise J. :DAnd vice versa... the only truly faction unique ship abilities are Romulan.
I would die. The ship was horrid. Even worst then the Fed dyson ship.
As per the title, this topic asks the question - what does the Federation get?
Romulan's special thing is "Cloaks and Singularity";
KDF's special thing is "Cloaks and Cannons";
Feds get what?
I propose subsystem targetting for all Federation ships (and a "meaningful" Phaser "proc"). Discuss.
ironic, the feds always had first come first serve policy with the devs, now the feds are not at the front of this freight train for once, now they complain . you feds all knew someday the other shoe would have to drop some day, take it on the chin, let the rommies and kdf lead this time.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Isn't that ship non canon anyway since the timeline it was from was undone by Archer and Daniels ?
nope if it was on tv or the original movies not the jj verse minus before the time travel it is canon thats saying the gal-x is not cannon cause we well never see the ship in our time line well if it was on tv or the big screen it's cannon and nothing says cryptic can't put it in lol.
Isn't that ship non canon anyway since the timeline it was from was undone by Archer and Daniels ?
No, Daniels was showing Archer why some one else had to board the Xindi Planet Killer as it was a one way trip - because Archer is essential to the Federation and cant be allowed to die.
As it happens, he ends up in a TRIBBLE field hospital and survives. (see the first episodes of Season 4)
For the most part, Feds get everything else. They get more ships with more flexibility, not to mention way more content in general.
While I do mainly play my Federation Admiral (probably for the reasons above), I do wish that the Klingons got some more attention and that the Romulans were added as a real faction and not a "joiner" sub-faction.
No, Daniels was showing Archer why some one else had to board the Xindi Planet Killer as it was a one way trip - because Archer is essential to the Federation and cant be allowed to die.
As it happens, he ends up in a TRIBBLE field hospital and survives. (see the first episodes of Season 4)
Yeah Daniels was showing Archer the future the way it should be. Thus the J will eventually get built.
Yeah Daniels was showing Archer the future the way it should be. Thus the J will eventually get built.
More like the future as it should be from Daniels' perspective. He was an agent fighting in the temporal cold war that was undone by Archer and his crew when they blew up the conduit and the timeline reset itself.
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The Fed Cruiser line is very solid in today's game.
Fed Escorts are still very effective.
Cloak Detection on Fed side is the best.
Also, the Science Vessel selection open to the Feds is hands down superior with a bewildering array of options.
Ridiculous amount of Uniform options.
Ridiculous amount of ship part / model options.
Lastly, Cryptic for years had catered to the Feds at the cost of rounding out the game.
FYI, that is not a Fed-only bug.
Hell, the KDF cannot even customize the T4 Marauder (equivalent to Diplomacy) BOFF that you can get.
^This^
And T5 Constitution threads.
Although: Man, how great was the game 'Klingon Honor Guard' back in the day?
Of course fed side doesnt get any special ability and probably wont get ever. Its like on purpose the devs are making preatty much all stuff weaker for fed side. Setting aside any faction special ability or "thing", as the others have, just look at the elite fleet weapons and the doff system. Even common sense tells you that.
And it really makes me laugh when you see the trolls replys (kdf mostly) about feds getting more ships and players lol. This is irrelevant. When quantity = quality??? For example lets say the feds have 15 ships and the kdf have 5 ships out of a type/class. The fed side will still pick the top 5 from those 15.
And speaking and cloaks and cloak detection, the whole system is unbalanced. Fed ships in order to detect cloaked ships, have to sacrifice aux power and skill points for it, thus DPS or hull or whatever those points are taken from, aswell a sci boff ability to pull the ship out of cloak, thus sacrifing a potential heal skill... The cloaks dont have to sacrifice nothing, especially for the free kdf innate cloak (not battle cloak). If the Stealth Skill would actually matter, as if there are none points invested in it, the cloak would be utterly useless (as in even if its active or not, the ships is still spotted from 10km away and such), and as you spend points in it to become efective as is now, would be a more balanced system.
But this wont happend either, nor any special fed ability either, as long as the devs, judging by their response on the Avenger/Mogh "balance", consider the free cloak innate ability to be "nothing" :rolleyes:
My only beef with them is that we have ships the size of ESD turning like a BoP. If anything could be said to ruin my immersion, its' that.
Also, pulling the camera all the way out still gets me a warbird taking up a lot of screen.
In conclusion: The Feds get the ability to see the map.
Btw, Auxbatts does wonders for low Aux as does EPTAux. Sensors is not a tough skill to spend points on and if you can detect a cloaked ship and its in range you can shoot it while its cloaked, which is a huge bonus towards killing it. No special sci powers needed to decloak it.
R.I.P
That game was awesome, I still have a copy of it somewhere.
Also the Feds get everything that the KDF had that was unique sooner or later.
My character Tsin'xing
Man, I hope it comes with a Xindi BOff.
Oh, let me be more specific than that.
Feds get: 90% of all new ship designs, complete faction, working uniforms, bugs fixed the very next patch (see before mentioned uniforms as an example) and ship packs that have extraordinary set bonuses.
KDF gets: Battle cloaks and most ships that can use cannons.
Romulan gets: Almost all of the abilities of KDF and FED zstore ship consoles for free via singularity abilities, battle cloaks, cannons, very high boff bonuses that directly affect space combat and ship designs that make Fed and KDF ships seem two tiers below them.
Lets not forget that before the Romulans came into the game, the Feds got ALL of the good KDF zstore consoles via lockboxes. In contrast, fed 'good' consoles were not given to the KDF because they tend to be in high tier ships.
Let's not forget the Federation was given a carrier because of the whining that the KDF had one...and the KDF is still waiting for its uniforms to be fixed.
Let's not forget the Feds just got their dreadnaught 'upgraded' while it is very clear that NO KDF SHIP will receive the same treatment. Perhaps its next in line... after the uniforms. Maybe? /sigh.
Fed phaser proc is VERY powerful. Not only does phaser disable subsystems, the elite fleet version heals your own shields. You toss a FAW and your shields beef up. I use them on my fed sci ship and I gave up a major shield heal boff ability because my phasers were doing that job nicely.
Subsystem targeting is found only in science ships. Guess who has the most science ships? Fed.
The ONLY thing I agree with you is that the Federation does need a 'defining' attribute. Federation is all about engineering and science so perhaps the Fed ships could receive a passive bonus of +5 stats to all stat-boosting equipment.
This means if your deflector says +18 to several stats it ends up giving +23...and then the sci/engineering consoles also get the same boost per stat ... its a small buff but it adds up quickly as you put more consoles adding up the same stat.
That alone would give all Federation ships the 'engineering and science' robustness that is their trademark.
...and KDF could for a change receive a boff with space passive bonus that helps their weapons... say accuracy buff or weapon power resist buff (so firing weapons dont drain that much power). and fix their g-damn uniforms already.
Someone must of gotten beaten pretty badly by a Romulan to exaggerate this badly...the valdore console doesn't come close to allowing you to drop EPTS and TSS (Or soon ST). Singularity jump I wouldn't call stronger than GW3...I'd just call it more unique.
Maybe it's time to invest in some skills in combating cloak if you're really so horrible speced out that they can get atop you and you still can't see them?
I agree with you for the most part, but the hyperbole is getting out of hand.
Most people will tell you phasers are a bad investment. I don't know anyone who could tell you with a straight face that elite phasers are worth the time spent considering whether you'd use them or not.
And that GX saucer separation that everyone thinks is some kind of mega release has been on the waiting list for over a year. That's more of a resolved issue than any kind of special attention. I do think it should've come side by side with an update to the guramba, though, seeing as that's the GX's actual opfor analog and we all know it.
Subsystem targeting can be fitted on any ship.
Feds defining ability is their ability to tank and heal themselves and their teammates better than anyone else in game. Their defining ability just isn't relevant to how the game is played currently. We don't need to mess with stats, all that flexibility and options is enough already. The other factions just don't realise that they trade these abilities for much better offensive capabilities between decloaking alpha bs and elite disruptors. People would rather demand fed battle cloaks and klingon science ships than they would just go to the faction that specializes in what they want...
Also, it's pretty obvious no matter who started out with carriers, everyone would've gotten one eventually. The number of nul-faction ships with hangar bays is rapidly approaching the number of factional hangar bay ships combined, and probably already surpasses each faction individually.
I really don't know how they can neglect klingons so bad though. Gave away the torkhat, then gave it back to them re-skinned and expecting a cookie. No fleet ships. No wing cannon raptor. All the persevering bugs. It's crazy how ignored KDF is.
....Why would you drop any Eptx? It's not like there's so many relevant engineering abilities at ens level vying for your attention. Romulan power levels are not a handicap. It's so moronically easy in this game to fly around with all the power all the time that frankly, if you can't do it, you're doing something wrong.
In your defense though, I highly doubt battles have ever been decided by warbird abilities either. They're just glitz to try and distract you greenies from going all whack-a-mole on us with your cloaks, they're not really any kind of advantage.
Feds get a lot more then the other factions!
Subsystem Targeting was simply chosen as an example of possible novelty traits, that is not the same thing as arguing for it. As for alternatives, your idea does not even qualify.
So I will propose some alternatives to SST that also come to mind:
(1) Put some type of hangar on all Federation ships. Perhaps it lets you slot actual hangar pets (cruisers), perhaps it lets you slot mines (escorts), perhaps it lets you slot gaseous anomalies (science ships). Maybe it is some variation of all three. Who knows? The Shadow knows!
(2) Come up with an alternative to SST for cruisers/escorts that has the "toggle use". Perhaps it is an engineering power on Escorts, perhaps it is science deflector-style power on Cruisers, perhaps we just stick free tac/eng/sci teams on all Federation ships and call it a day. The first two do not address how universally horrible science ship sst is, leaving us with TEAMS FOR EVERYBODY as the only one that even feigns attempt at unifying the Federation as "utilitarian" instead of "guess what is in the box".
(3) Give all Federation ships an arc buff on their weapons. They do all look a lot like flying saucers.
Whatever the case may be the abilities would need to involve some type of activation to keep them in line with the experience of singularity cores and cloaks.
Ah, so you were not being serious about this topic you just wanted to redirect us down KDF Lane.
Your ideas for this are worse than your idea for the Federation. No the KDF would need something really special.
I have it!
MINES, MINES FOR EVERYBODY!
Yes, we shall give all KDF ships the ability to use mine-powers as ship toggle powers and make it as useless as SST and whatever is added to Federation ships.
Better still - it will not step on the toes of singularity powers as Starfleet and KDF will still have something weaker than all-hail-the-singularity-core-sales-gimmick.
-_-
Those Tal'Shiar ships are ridiculous with their regeneration rate being what leadership used to be, only more cranked up.
uninstall the game.
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I would die. The ship was horrid. Even worst then the Fed dyson ship.
Isn't that ship non canon anyway since the timeline it was from was undone by Archer and Daniels ?
ironic, the feds always had first come first serve policy with the devs, now the feds are not at the front of this freight train for once, now they complain
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
No, Daniels was showing Archer why some one else had to board the Xindi Planet Killer as it was a one way trip - because Archer is essential to the Federation and cant be allowed to die.
As it happens, he ends up in a TRIBBLE field hospital and survives. (see the first episodes of Season 4)
While I do mainly play my Federation Admiral (probably for the reasons above), I do wish that the Klingons got some more attention and that the Romulans were added as a real faction and not a "joiner" sub-faction.
There are so many snarky answers i'd like to use here, but I won't.
My character Tsin'xing
Bit funny isn't it, people whose ancestors may well have been amongst those who tried to destroy Earth serving on its most powerful flagship...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5izsjeLCQ4
More like the future as it should be from Daniels' perspective. He was an agent fighting in the temporal cold war that was undone by Archer and his crew when they blew up the conduit and the timeline reset itself.