Vet skins and Dyson ships.

wilv

I've noticed the devs went through a great deal of trouble to apply the corresponding visualizations to the new Dyson ships so they would match shields that had visualizations, and the result was stunning. My question is. Why hasn't the same effort been made toward vet skins? Vet skins are something we either paid into or waited for and we SHOULD be able to use them on these ships if we want to.

Please make this happen. I would very much like to use my vet reward on this ship I had to grind and spend money on and I'm sure not alone.

tikonov

We were originally told that the 3 packs were coming with full faction-specific materials....

wilv

tikonov wrote: »

We were originally told that the 3 packs were coming with full faction-specific materials....

No, we were told that the c-store ships had their own set of skins but faction was never mentioned, it was just assumed by the community.

I just spoke to JamJamz on twitter and he said:
" Ian Richards ‏@STO_JamJamz 22m
@WilV79 A high level decision has been made to not allow these ships to use faction-specific materials. Sorry, no dice.

Wil Valentin ‏@WilV79 6m
@STO_JamJamz These ships might be great but they are seriously lacking customization, which is something the community has come to expect.

Ian Richards ‏@STO_JamJamz 5m
@WilV79 Each C-Store ship will come with a material variant, as well as a full set of geometry variants.

Wil Valentin ‏@WilV79 2m
@STO_JamJamz I had considered the bundle but if I can't make my fed ship LOOK like a fed ship, there's no point. TY for the info though."

So there you have it folks. No faction specific materials for your ships.

mikefl

I Agree. We should be able to use the vet awarded material on any ship but especially c-store purchases as these ships are faction specific. I just got my 10k zen today for the 9 bundle but I would like to be able to put my vet skin on it.

variant37

wilv wrote: »

I just spoke to JamJamz on twitter and he said:
" Ian Richards ‏@STO_JamJamz 22m
@WilV79 A high level decision has been made to not allow these ships to use faction-specific materials. Sorry, no dice

Not that the faction-specific skins could make the Dyson ships any less hideous, but this makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they care whether the players have access to these skins? They had to have a "high-level" meeting to make this decision? Seems like time well spent.

wilbor2

I think this is all a part of the end of ship costumes its been on the cards for time each ship has had less options then the one before.
Its just been lazy if u ask me less time on ship options more time making the next cash cow.

I was going to fork out the cash for zen to get the kdf bundle. but now that i know ur stuck with a other ship u can hardle change. Ill pass on a other z-store ship i dont wont my ships that i pay cash for to look the same as everyone else. Can any one remember when devs clamed there games were known for customisation i can but not any more

odstparker

I was really surprised when I went to customize my shiny new Dyson destroyer and found that there were no hull variants that featured distinctly Federation, Klingon, or Romulan colors and textures.

I wish I could make my ships match my faction hull designs, not only for cosmetic reasons but for practical reasons. I, for one, refuse to believe that the color of the warp nacelles and impulse engines, the snaking pattern on the hull, and the odd hull pieces that have a sort of web design have any significant impact on how the ship performs. The only reason that would be the case is if the hull itself (the same design, color, etc. that is found on the Obelisk carrier) is somehow more durable, longer lasting, or easier to repair than what you might find on a normal starship, or if it has something to do with how the shields are deployed or something.

SImply, I wish they had included hull materials that came from that faction's normal ships, Federation gray and black, Klingon green and brown, and Romulan green.

greyhame3

The ships supposed to look like it was built with different technology and material than other faction ships. Specifically the Dyson sphere technology. So that means you get the overlapping hull places, organic matrices and the black and white colouring with the pattern.

Now I personally think that this is rather silly reasoning, as there's no reason to assume that the factions would go out of their way to design something that looked like it was designed by something outside their faction or that the materials needed couldn't be faction coloured. It makes them feel weird.

usscapital

wilv wrote: »

No, we were told that the c-store ships had their own set of skins but faction was never mentioned, it was just assumed by the community.

I just spoke to JamJamz on twitter and he said:
" Ian Richards ‏@STO_JamJamz 22m
@WilV79 A high level decision has been made to not allow these ships to use faction-specific materials. Sorry, no dice.

talk about making a hugh mistake or what lol , they would proberly have sold more tbh

wilv

greyhame3 wrote: »

The ships supposed to look like it was built with different technology and material than other faction ships. Specifically the Dyson sphere technology. So that means you get the overlapping hull places, organic matrices and the black and white colouring with the pattern.

Now I personally think that this is rather silly reasoning, as there's no reason to assume that the factions would go out of their way to design something that looked like it was designed by something outside their faction or that the materials needed couldn't be faction coloured. It makes them feel weird.

I get WHY the ships look the way they do. I get that all the ships are meant to essentially be the same thing with minor tweaks for their individual faction. I get that by default they are supposed to look like they were built in cooperation.

Having said that I don't get WHY they're blocking us from having options to make the ships our own. Customization has been a HUGE part of this game. The ability to make your character and your ship feel like your own has always been a player favorite. If players want to use their vet skins on these ships why shouldn't they? It's absolutely ridiculous. It's my ship, my money, my vet rewards. Why can't I use them the way I want to.

I'm thrilled I found this out NOW because there's no way I'm paying for a bundle of ships that I can't customize how I want.

annah

I wish they post better screenshots of the ships so we can actually see whats diffrent between tem. I can make out some details, but far from everything.

greyhame3

wilv wrote: »

I get WHY the ships look the way they do. I get that all the ships are meant to essentially be the same thing with minor tweaks for their individual faction. I get that by default they are supposed to look like they were built in cooperation.

Having said that I don't get WHY they're blocking us from having options to make the ships our own. Customization has been a HUGE part of this game. The ability to make your character and your ship feel like your own has always been a player favorite. If players want to use their vet skins on these ships why shouldn't they? It's absolutely ridiculous. It's my ship, my money, my vet rewards. Why can't I use them the way I want to.

I'm thrilled I found this out NOW because there's no way I'm paying for a bundle of ships that I can't customize how I want.

The why is that they want the ships to look like they were made with Dyson technology. Being able to use any skin kind of throws that out the window.

Again, I think the entire premise is silly from the start. Unless these ships look horrible with default skins, I see no reason they can't use them. And if they do, it would be nice to have that said as opposed to some nebulous high level decision reasoning.

wilv

greyhame3 wrote: »

The why is that they want the ships to look like they were made with Dyson technology. Being able to use any skin kind of throws that out the window.

Again, I think the entire premise is silly from the start. Unless these ships look horrible with default skins, I see no reason they can't use them. And if they do, it would be nice to have that said as opposed to some nebulous high level decision reasoning.

Yea, I get that they want the ship to look like it was made from Dyson tech, that much is obvious.. I don't think the premise is silly. I get that it's a story telling thing.


And no, being able to use different skins doesn't throw it out the window. The basic workings and appearance of the ship is still the same. The ships can already have different visualizations when you apply shields like the Reman, Dominion and MACO shields. How are vet skins any different from that?


This is a game and players (like myself) like individuality. If I want my ship to look different from EVERYONE else I should have SOME wiggle room. Especially if that wiggle room is something as minor as a ship material and especially if it's a material that I either earned or PAID for.

psiameese

wilv wrote: »

Yea, I get that they want the ship to look like it was made from Dyson tech, that much is obvious.. I don't think the premise is silly. I get that it's a story telling thing.

And no, being able to use different skins doesn't throw it out the window. The basic workings and appearance of the ship is still the same. The ships can already have different visualizations when you apply shields like the Reman, Dominion and MACO shields. How are vet skins any different from that?

This is a game and players (like myself) like individuality. If I want my ship to look different from EVERYONE else I should have SOME wiggle room. Especially if that wiggle room is something as minor as a ship material and especially if it's a material that I either earned or PAID for.

I concur with this point of view.

mutualcore

It would be cool if you can at least change the color of the glowing parts of the ship for each faction at least. Color options sort of like the Risian Escort.
If you don't want purple then be able to choose Blue/White=Fed, Teal/Green=Romulan, Red/Orange=KDF?

I can see why they wouldn't have all the normal ship materials you get on a basic ship but why not just allow the Veteran skin? you can use shields, like Reman or Jem'hadar, to make the ship look other than Dyson anyway.

wilv

I think their whole stance on this is ridiculous. Especially when you consider that they ARE allowing us to use the shield visualizations. I also think it's silly that a meeting had to take place in order to decide to restrict us from customization. It makes me wonder who in the team actually thinks limiting player choices is a "good" thing and WHY. I mean really. What could possibly be the harm in letting us use faction specific materials? How is that a "bad" thing?

resolutevoice

The whole things ridiculous.

They will lose out on sales because we cannot customize the ships how we want, and how we can on every other ship in the game.

I personally dont want a ship that looks like it has flown out of galaxy quest...

suzy32

we should be allowed to customize any ship the way we like even if we have to pay.







http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=590121

futurepastnow

The lack of faction materials is a dealbreaker for me. They will lose sales because of a frankly indefensible design decision.

misterde3

futurepastnow wrote: »

The lack of faction materials is a dealbreaker for me. They will lose sales because of a frankly indefensible design decision.

Yup. I wanted to get the Romulan and Klingon versions (don't care for the Fed version).
Now it's probably going to be only the KDF Pack because at least that one can be altered to something that looks like a KDF ship thanks to the KHG set.
Seems like they already lost a sale on one 3-pack in my case.

szerontzur

Yep, I'm just going to echo in that I probably would have sprung for a bundle if it would have included variants/parts/materials that looked a bit closer to the faction that owns the ship. The minute differences between them has turned me off about getting any of them. I 'may' pick up the KDF Recon DSD later for my Alien on that side, but even that is going take some self-convincing now that I've seen them.

I feel bad for the team, because I'm sure they sunk a ton of hours working on them with a lot of discussion over the design elements. At the end of the day though, nothing about them feels "Trek". (Candidly speaking: The dyson ships make the JJVerse seem.. faithful.)

suaveks

annah wrote: »

I wish they post better screenshots of the ships so we can actually see whats diffrent between tem. I can make out some details, but far from everything.

You can check the ships on Tribble in the Shipyard.

I've taken some screenshots with top view - http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1027871 (and ranted a bit)

If you compare the ships you'll see there are barely any differences when it comes to the overall shape. It's all minor surface details and hull material.

Ranted a bit in the other thread and I'll repeat myself here - no faction-specific hull material, no buy.

wilv

At least the KHG set can make the Klingon one look Klingon. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the MACO set, I've seen pics.

mikefl

I don't care so much about changing ship parts as others but I should be able to use the veteran smaterial I paid $300 for. With the exception of my Atrox every cstore ship I have can use my veteran material. Since these ships are made by their respective factions I don't understand not being able to use different skins. Why would you be able to apply your gear skins and not your material skins? Don't they pretty much do the same thing? Seems more like punishment to those who spent cold hard cash and bought LTS and have veteran skins. So a borg modified look is okay but not a faction specific look.

wilv

mikefl wrote: »

I don't care so much about changing ship parts as others but I should be able to use the veteran smaterial I paid $300 for. With the exception of my Atrox every cstore ship I have can use my veteran material. Since these ships are made by their respective factions I don't understand not being able to use different skins. Why would you be able to apply your gear skins and not your material skins? Don't they pretty much do the same thing? Seems more like punishment to those who spent cold hard cash and bought LTS and have veteran skins. So a borg modified look is okay but not a faction specific look.

This right here! If it's a FED ship why can't I use my FED materials? Especially the vet one. I didn't pay for my vet material, I actually waited it out til it became available because at the time I bought my lifer sub we didn't get all the rewards right away like it is now. As far as I'm concerned that material should be mine to use on every single freaking ship I want, ESPECIALLY if it's a ship of that faction.

artemisa0k

Even if they decided (poorly I believe) to have no faction skins the least they could have done would have been allow the use of the unique hull patterns vets typically get access to with the skin.

davidwford

I did buy the 9-ship pack. From a gameplay standpoint, I like the Romulan ship better than the Ha'nom. I am using it with the Reman Shields because my character is a Reman and is showing his loyalty to the Resistance.

As for the ship skins, I agree with many of the others that only Dyson skins are used is foolish. The Romulan ships SHOULD have the option of being Teal/Green, else it is not a real Romulan ship. Kilngon ships likewise should be Grey/Black/Brown/Green. The Federation Dyson ship is fine for my right now because many Federation ships are already white. The color pallet should be expanded for Federation ships to include more blue and greys.

Further, what if players wanted to use the Dyson ship skin pattern on one of their fleet refits? The ship pack could sell even better if it allows the use of the Dyson skins on every other ship. Again, another epic failure.

cem3212

I apologize if this question is in the incorrect thread.

I was wondering since this latest patch note & introducing the "type 3 & 5" ship materials for Feds & KDFs to use mentioned how sometimes you may have to reclaim the ship to be able to utilize the new ship material.

What if you are attempting to use the new ship material & it seems you have to reclaim it but it was your Veteran status selection ship? Feds: Defiant, Voyager, Enterpise & KDFs: B'rel, Marauder, Gorn Science, & I think they have another choice.

They are not Z-Store bought so if you discharge it you lose it so definitely not worth the new paint-job. Seems a lousy gesture towards the Veterans.

If this has been answered or if I am incorrect I apologize. I was just curious when trying out the new ship materials.

artan42

cem3212 wrote: »

I apologize if this question is in the incorrect thread.

I was wondering since this latest patch note & introducing the "type 3 & 5" ship materials for Feds & KDFs to use mentioned how sometimes you may have to reclaim the ship to be able to utilize the new ship material.

What if you are attempting to use the new ship material & it seems you have to reclaim it but it was your Veteran status selection ship? Feds: Defiant, Voyager, Enterpise & KDFs: B'rel, Marauder, Gorn Science, & I think they have another choice.

They are not Z-Store bought so if you discharge it you lose it so definitely not worth the new paint-job. Seems a lousy gesture towards the Veterans.

If this has been answered or if I am incorrect I apologize. I was just curious when trying out the new ship materials.

The Type 5 is free and shouldn't need a ship to be reclaimed to get it, it works fine on all my ships. The Klingon Type 3 is equivalent to the Fed Type 6 material, it's only available on C-Store ships, all C-Stor ships can be reclaimed for free.

wilv

Here's one of the many things that make no sense about this. The vet skins can be used on any ship of that faction, INCLUDING shuttles AND the time ships. So how does it make sense to NOT allow it on these ships?

mightybobcnc

wilv wrote: »

Here's one of the many things that make no sense about this. The vet skins can be used on any ship of that faction, INCLUDING shuttles AND the time ships. So how does it make sense to NOT allow it on these ships?

Because future space tech.

+1 in support of Vet materials for DSDs.