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tragamitestragamites Member Posts: 424 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Controls and User Interface
Getting information on fellow players is less than stellar IMO. When you view someone you don't get a lot of information that could be useful to others.

What I would like to see is a bit more in depth of the details of who you are looking at.

Captain, Ship, Shuttle

What do others think?
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Understand me correctly: If I wanted you to know details about what I have and what I don't have, I would tell you...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • whitewinged7whitewinged7 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    tragamites wrote: »
    Getting information on fellow players is less than stellar IMO. When you view someone you don't get a lot of information that could be useful to others.

    What I would like to see is a bit more in depth of the details of who you are looking at.

    Captain, Ship, Shuttle

    What do others think?

    Well holy TRIBBLE just yesterday I saw a ship I didnt recognize and silly me of course I clicked on him clicked info and got this.


    Name Char

    info oh wait there is none lol

    This is the absolute worst info screen that has ever been created it may as well not exist and the ONLY reason it does is for RP and that is IF they have a bio filled out.

    ^worst implementation in a MMO ever created


    Dont get me wrong I love this game and I am not really trying to lash out or yell at cryptic or PWE

    But, Credit where its due and honesty when its not

    Honestly this is worse than not having an info button seriously
  • uryenserellonturyenserellont Member Posts: 858 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    This really bugs me. I right click a ship to see what it is and it tells me what shuttle they have. It'll be like U.S.S. Saratoga (Yellowstone Runabout). Tell me what ship it is not what shuttle they have.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    As long as their is an opt out option for it, then it should be fine. In Neverwinter, I spend quite a bit of time looking at people's equipment due to their look. Neverwinter allows transmutation and purples have unique looks so you can see what interesting look you can get and Weapon and Armor enhancements give a unique auras to the weapon and armor. Since STO has very limited gear cosmetics, then it is not as useful. Only use I can see is in PvP where some PvPers are trying to determine what setup they were massacred by.
  • uryenserellonturyenserellont Member Posts: 858 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    To clarify, I'm not interested in seeing what equipment people are using, just what ship they're using. I don't know a lot of the lockbox and lobi ships and so when I see an unfamiliar one I want to be able to right click it and see what it is.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Understand me correctly: If I wanted you to know details about what I have and what I don't have, I would tell you...

    It's a game and your character is not entitled to any degree of "privacy". This should absolutely be a feature - players should be able to use the scan button to analyse nearby ships and players - presumably for a temporary decrease in total power.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    walshicus wrote: »
    It's a game and your character is not entitled to any degree of "privacy". This should absolutely be a feature - players should be able to use the scan button to analyse nearby ships and players - presumably for a temporary decrease in total power.

    I should also be entitled to your full account and CC info... After all... It's just digital money, right?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • admiraltrappittadmiraltrappitt Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    This generally doesn't work in mission or PVE/VP, but when in SectorSpace, or a system, hover over the faction symbol, and it will say what ship they are flying.
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  • tragamitestragamites Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    I should also be entitled to your full account and CC info... After all... It's just digital money, right?

    And here I thought you were one of the wise STO people on the Forums...life is full of dissapointments.
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'd go along with this ...

    Personally (and I think the OP as well) I don't click "info" to find out what " uber coolz gearz" someone is running.

    It's just that, as the OP suggests, sometimes you seen an unfamiliar ship, and lets face it, the "promo" images and STOWiki pics for many ships are just pathetic (try seeing what most KDF ships look like for instance via the Wiki) or sometimes people are able to get some really cool looking combinations.

    So if nothing else the 'Ship Type" info would be nice ...
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Like most people, I've got my info on lockdown to prevent the endless barrage of "join my fleet" or "Fleet gear for sale here" messages. After two and a half years around here, this isn't going to change. If you have that deep a desire to find out what I'm flying, I suppose you could send me a private message and I'd tell you.

    If there is a ship I've never seen before, I go to a ship yard or the Z store or the DevBlogs to locate it.
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  • tragamitestragamites Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Like most people, I've got my info on lockdown to prevent the endless barrage of "join my fleet" or "Fleet gear for sale here" messages. After two and a half years around here, this isn't going to change. If you have that deep a desire to find out what I'm flying, I suppose you could send me a private message and I'd tell you.

    If there is a ship I've never seen before, I go to a ship yard or the Z store or the DevBlogs to locate it.

    I've been here for four years and have never heard of or seen any messages as you suggest. I don't see why you feel the need for secrecy as to what gear you use.

    everything in this game is doable in whites and are even simplistic enough for organized groups in lesser tiered gear so why do you feel you need to hide?

    It seems to me that people who fear others knowing what you use and allowing them to match shows a lack of skill as you know you will lose your edge and not be able to compete with others. The only other reason I see that you need to hide is that you cheat and allowing others to view you will show that your a cheat.

    There is no reason to hide what should be obvious.
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  • blevokblevok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    really, i'd be happy if the player info at least worked reliably. 95% of the times i open player info, most of the info is missing. i often want to see what ship someone is using, but only one or two fields actually load, and it's never the ship.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    tragamites wrote: »
    And here I thought you were one of the wise STO people on the Forums...life is full of dissapointments.

    I am happy I could clear that up for you...

    I never heard the words "you" and "wise" used about me in the same sentence though...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Honestly I would settle for them fixing the existing info pane so it actually shows data in all the fields it has, rather than being disappointingly blank.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I would like to see an option to be able to allow people to check my equipment if I want, make it easier when guildmates are trying to help you in fixing your setup. But this must be an optional choice, do I let you or not is up to me. Also I would like to see what kind of ship people are using with no further details except what kind of ship is.
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  • ijimithyijimithy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Hey it could be worse you could have the Symbol for the Romulan Tactical when your actually a federation tactical xD

    As long as it is only just the type of ship and Captain then I'd be cool with it, If its like everything on the ship (IE Gateway stuff) then no I dont want others seeing that, that is private to me but if someone asks nicely I'll tell em what I have :) Snooping = Bad! (Btw I hide my characters from gateway I don't like people looking at my builds)
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  • tragamitestragamites Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ijimithy wrote: »
    Hey it could be worse you could have the Symbol for the Romulan Tactical when your actually a federation tactical xD

    As long as it is only just the type of ship and Captain then I'd be cool with it, If its like everything on the ship (IE Gateway stuff) then no I dont want others seeing that, that is private to me but if someone asks nicely I'll tell em what I have :) Snooping = Bad! (Btw I hide my characters from gateway I don't like people looking at my builds)

    Why is this private to you? It is not your underoos you are showing off here.

    This way of thinking makes absolutly no sense to me in the least why do you feel like your gear is a private matter?

    Please everyone who feels this way explain it to me cause it makes no sense to me as to why this would be. I need to see some kind of solid reason as to why this should be a private matter.
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  • wakerobertswakeroberts Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    This particular feature has been broken for quite some time, at least for me. Yeah sure, sometimes it works and you can see the personal info for someone nearby, but most of the time, it just comes up blank.
  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    If you want to know about someone, like their ship or what not, and I know this will be really weird and make no sense in a social game like STO, but you could you know, talk to the person and ask things.
  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    While I'm not mad keen on the idea of people being able to read my equipment lists (beyond what they can tell from, y'know, just looking), one thing I would like to be able to make public is my accolades list - they can see the total, fair enough, but it'd be nice to show off the details.

    Hey, I earned all these virtual medals, I'd like to be able to wear 'em in public.

    (It could even be a useful feature - my main toon has completed all the "Path to 2409" stuff, so if people could read her accolades, they wouldn't need to visit a wiki to get the answers to the daily quiz question - she could just stand around in the Academy and they could crib the answers off her. :D )
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    shevet wrote: »
    one thing I would like to be able to make public is my accolades list - they can see the total, fair enough, but it'd be nice to show off the details.

    This is one of the worst ideas I've seen on here.

    Stuff like that just brings out the elitist players even more than normal, then we go from a nice casual game to people looking up that you have squeezed out as much DPS from your accolades as possible.

    Last thing STO needs is at the start of an STF some loud mouth going on how they are the only one with maxed out accolades for the task at hand, and those people are in STO, I snapped at one in the open PvP system today about them constantly trying to belittle others in chat.

    So, that idea is a big no from me. Don't add fuel to the fire.
  • mithrosnomoremithrosnomore Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I don't care if anyone sees what gear I am using.

    I would be okay with Feds not being able to inspect Klingons and vice-versa (with Romulans falling into whichever allied faction), but Fed to Fed? No reason.

    And if someone decides to take it upon themselves to sit around ESD inspecting people and telling them how much their gear sucks, then that is what the ignore list is for.

    I would like to see this even extended to show the paper doll of the character being inspected and letting you mouse over their uniform and a pop-up telling you what piece that is.
  • giantspacecrabgiantspacecrab Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Last time I checked.. if you click someone (aka have their status bar above your head) you could highlight the federation / kdf / romulan affiliation symbol aka mouse over it and eventually what ship they're piloting has changed.

    Dunno if they changed it recently or not.


    Edit for clarity: By above your head, I mean the targeting UI like you're going to click a ship heal to heal them or you were targeting for attack. That UI icon.
  • daboholicdaboholic Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    tragamites wrote: »
    Why is this private to you? It is not your underoos you are showing off here.

    This way of thinking makes absolutly no sense to me in the least why do you feel like your gear is a private matter?

    Please everyone who feels this way explain it to me cause it makes no sense to me as to why this would be. I need to see some kind of solid reason as to why this should be a private matter.

    It's simple really, it's my character on my account, I paid for the LTS, bought the Zen, opened the lockboxes to get the Lobi and, to be frank, it's got nothing to do with anyone else what I have done with it.

    Would you go round to a stranger's house and start peering in the windows to see what TV they had?

    As tekehd said, if you really want to know what my ship is or what equipment I'm using, talk to me and ask me, don't just lurk in the corner quietly trying to spy.
  • mithrosnomoremithrosnomore Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daboholic wrote: »
    It's simple really, it's my character on my account, I paid for the LTS, bought the Zen, opened the lockboxes to get the Lobi and, to be frank, it's got nothing to do with anyone else what I have done with it.

    Would you go round to a stranger's house and start peering in the windows to see what TV they had?

    As tekehd said, if you really want to know what my ship is or what equipment I'm using, talk to me and ask me, don't just lurk in the corner quietly trying to spy.

    No, but if you drive your car out somewhere, they can see it.

    And recognize it or not, if you park it somewhere, they can walk up to it and give it a closer look. If you don't have tinted windows (and maybe if you do), then people can absolutely look inside.
    Oh, poor you who must feel so violated that people have looked at what ship you are flying or possibly what gear you have slotted.


    But Cryptic has a vested interest in letting people know what ship you are using, what uniform you are wearing, and what gear you have equipped.
    If people see me flying a C-Store ship that they like, they may be encouraged to buy that same ship. If they see me wearing a uniform piece that they like, I can be used as an advertisement for them to sell that uniform to someone else.


    Most games that I have played allowed for inspections. No reason that this one shouldn't.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    tragamites wrote: »
    I've been here for four years and have never heard of or seen any messages as you suggest. I don't see why you feel the need for secrecy as to what gear you use.

    everything in this game is doable in whites and are even simplistic enough for organized groups in lesser tiered gear so why do you feel you need to hide?

    It seems to me that people who fear others knowing what you use and allowing them to match shows a lack of skill as you know you will lose your edge and not be able to compete with others. The only other reason I see that you need to hide is that you cheat and allowing others to view you will show that your a cheat.

    There is no reason to hide what should be obvious.

    Not hiding at all. Just never saw the sense in bragging publicly. And like I said, if you really want to know, shoot me a message ingame. Be happy to tell you.

    Oh. Waitaminnit. Now I get it. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter. Sending me a message would require effort. Which offends your overdeveloped sense of entitlement and would make you have to press more than one button.

    The very nerve of me suggesting you actually do something. :D
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  • ijimithyijimithy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    And just because it's a game it doesn't give YOU or anyone else the right to be nosey nellies.

    And as to your silly scan argument, players should be able to run Electronic Counter Measures constantly to foil intrusive scans.

    +1 on that arguement, perhaps if someone scans you they get a noise like mario dying to show they failed the scan lol

    and as for Why I want MY gear and builds to be private, Well I believe several others have answered that quite succinctly.

    Should be like that other game in space where Electronic Counter Measures rock lol :D
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  • daboholicdaboholic Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    No, but if you drive your car out somewhere, they can see it.

    And recognize it or not, if you park it somewhere, they can walk up to it and give it a closer look. If you don't have tinted windows (and maybe if you do), then people can absolutely look inside.

    Sorry but you example fails. Yes they can see what car I drive and maybe they can see what the interior looks like. What they can't do is lift the bonnet (or hood if you prefer) and see what engine and possible modifications I have. Nor can they lift the boot (or trunk if you prefer) and see what items I have in there.

    So whilst they can see what car I drive, just like they can see what ship I'm flying, they can't see what the inner workings and equipment are.
    Oh, poor you who must feel so violated that people have looked at what ship you are flying or possibly what gear you have slotted.

    Oh poor you, having to result in petty mockery to try and validate your point.

    But Cryptic has a vested interest in letting people know what ship you are using, what uniform you are wearing, and what gear you have equipped.
    If people see me flying a C-Store ship that they like, they may be encouraged to buy that same ship. If they see me wearing a uniform piece that they like, I can be used as an advertisement for them to sell that uniform to someone else.

    Once again your example fails. No-one is disputing that people can see what ship I fly, or what uniform my character is wearing, those are out there for everyone to see. However as Cryptic doesn't directly sell ship weapons and consoles on the C-Store, what would be the point of allowing people to inspect my character as a form of advertisement?
    Most games that I have played allowed for inspections. No reason that this one shouldn't.

    Once again, your point fails. Many games allow me to play as a Elf and run around killing Orcs with swords and arrows. Does that mean STO should allow that too?
  • ijimithyijimithy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daboholic wrote: »
    Sorry but you example fails. Yes they can see what car I drive and maybe they can see what the interior looks like. What they can't do is lift the bonnet (or hood if you prefer) and see what engine and possible modifications I have. Nor can they lift the boot (or trunk if you prefer) and see what items I have in there.

    So whilst they can see what car I drive, just like they can see what ship I'm flying, they can't see what the inner workings and equipment are.



    Oh poor you, having to result in petty mockery to try and validate your point.




    Once again your example fails. No-one is disputing that people can see what ship I fly, or what uniform my character is wearing, those are out there for everyone to see. However as Cryptic doesn't directly sell ship weapons and consoles on the C-Store, what would be the point of allowing people to inspect my character as a form of advertisement?



    Once again, your point fails. Many games allow me to play as a Elf and run around killing Orcs with swords and arrows. Does that mean STO should allow that too?

    Sign me up for Elf swords online then! lol Would be hilarious seeing KDF and Feds using bows and arrows or even giant 2 handed swords on the borg xD
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