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jagabisjagabis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Romulan Discussion
Hi I would like to discuss some suggestions for the Romulan side, feel free to add to this list and hopefully the Developers will listen.

1) Crafting desk for the Romulans somewhere on new Romulus please! It so annoying having to go to Qonos or to Memory Alpha just to do crafting
2) More Romulan specific missions such as involving senators, praetors, proconsuls etc. Romulans are meant to be tricky and involved in political back stabbing stuff like that. I really feel like this is missing
3) Ship self repair droids as seen in ENT United. That would be a cool Romulan reputation item
4) Some cooler animals on new Romulus, sorry but that octopus looking thing is just so stupid! I mean come on! It is meant to be some wild untamed world!
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    1.) There are already crafting consoles at New Romulus Command.

    2.) Politics would certainly be an intersting idea for all three factions so this is a good idea.

    3.) Not quite sure what you mean by "ship self repair droids". I hope you don't mean R2D2.:confused:
    If you are referring to the Romulan Drone ships, those are already in the game as pets that can be launched by the Scimitar.

    4.) You sure you took a serius walk around? There are more animals to see there. The scientists actually tell you about them as you walk around the adventure zone. And not all those animals are "cute" ;)
  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jagabis wrote: »
    Hi I would like to discuss some suggestions for the Romulan side, feel free to add to this list and hopefully the Developers will listen.

    1) Crafting desk for the Romulans somewhere on new Romulus please! It so annoying having to go to Qonos or to Memory Alpha just to do crafting Me: There is a console there :cool:
    2) More Romulan specific missions such as involving senators, praetors, proconsuls etc. Romulans are meant to be tricky and involved in political back stabbing stuff like that. I really feel like this is missing Me: This is a nice idea, perhaps Roms go undercover and do all that cool stuff
    3) Ship self repair droids as seen in ENT United. That would be a cool Romulan reputation item Me: Please explain, do you want R2-D2, or the Drone Ships? If it's the latter, we have them as pets for the Scimitar
    4) Some cooler animals on new Romulus, sorry but that octopus looking thing is just so stupid! I mean come on! It is meant to be some wild untamed world! Me: wut do you mean 'cooler animals', do you mean a giant 3 headed Lion?

    Answers are above, labled 'me'
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    1.) There are already crafting consoles at New Romulus Command.

    Are you sure you can do crafting there? The last time I checked there were "crafting consoles" that allowed the purchase of various crafting materials and offered the same items the vendors from Memory Alpha offer (the consoles even have Ferengi names :rolleyes:), but there wasn't a crafting console where one can actually craft.
    Is this changed, because although there were consoles, we couldn't craft at NRC? :confused:
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Are you sure you can do crafting there? The last time I checked there were "crafting consoles" that allowed the purchase of various crafting materials and offered the same items the vendors from Memory Alpha offer (the consoles even have Ferengi names :rolleyes:), but there wasn't a crafting console where one can actually craft.
    Is this changed, because although there were consoles, we couldn't craft at NRC? :confused:

    Just checked...looks like those darn things don't actually work.
    Indeed that's false advertising.*doublefacepalm*
    Haven't done and crafting since before F2P.
    My apologies then, those things indeed don't do what they're supposed to.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited February 2014
    I double-checked as well. 4 stations labeled "crafting" of one kind or another. All are actually stores rather than crafting tables.

    I have the faintest impression, not quite a memory, that there was an active crafting table in the room, either in beta or right after the Romulan faction was released, but that it was pulled after just a couple of days. If so, I don't recall a "why" being given.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I have the faintest impression, not quite a memory, that there was an active crafting table in the room, either in beta or right after the Romulan faction was released, but that it was pulled after just a couple of days. If so, I don't recall a "why" being given.

    I don't know about the beta on Tribble, but I'm 100% sure that there never was an ability to craft in NRC on Holodeck. I know this because I made my Romulan instantly after the LoR patch was done and this was one of the first things I checked out when I hit level 10 and visited NRC, since my Rom is a maxed out crafter I wanted to do that there, but found out I have to go to Memory Alpha.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jagabis wrote: »
    Hi I would like to discuss some suggestions for the Romulan side, feel free to add to this list and hopefully the Developers will listen.

    1) Crafting desk for the Romulans somewhere on new Romulus please! It so annoying having to go to Qonos or to Memory Alpha just to do crafting
    2) More Romulan specific missions such as involving senators, praetors, proconsuls etc. Romulans are meant to be tricky and involved in political back stabbing stuff like that. I really feel like this is missing
    3) Ship self repair droids as seen in ENT United. That would be a cool Romulan reputation item
    4) Some cooler animals on new Romulus, sorry but that octopus looking thing is just so stupid! I mean come on! It is meant to be some wild untamed world!

    2. More info on the political situation in the New Romulan Republic would be a good thing (although I think I've almost gotten it figured out), especially in the context of missions. However, "Romulans are meant to be" statements often seem to favor one depiction of Romulans over others (and usually the favored depiction seems to be the Tal'Shiar of TNG, which are anything but representative of what "Romulans are meant to be"). In point of fact, D'Tan and other officials of the New Romulan Republic and/or military like to emphasize the values of "openness and honesty" over "secrecy and deceit" quite a lot. While no political state can exist long without some secrecy and deceit, there is such a thing as going to extremes, and the Tal'Shiar definitely went to, and beyond, extremes.

    4. The Mother Nanov is quite awesome. There are many other fauna native to ch'Mol'Rihan as well.
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    To be honest I don't think there's anything to craft. There was Aegis but even that isn't very much worthwhile.

    What I would like is for the Romulan faction to really become an independent faction. I don't have much problems with the end of the empire and the start of the republic, but I don't like all that much doing missions that state plainly I'm doing stuff for the Federation (or Klingon empire).


    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
    Even in the new FE, my Rom character could "claim" the Sphere for the Federation while the Romulan Commander advocated it for the Federation. I mean, come on....I could go with "It's for the alliance" option, But "it's for the Federation"?! A Romulan?!
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    2. More info on the political situation in the New Romulan Republic would be a good thing (although I think I've almost gotten it figured out), especially in the context of missions. However, "Romulans are meant to be" statements often seem to favor one depiction of Romulans over others (and usually the favored depiction seems to be the Tal'Shiar of TNG, which are anything but representative of what "Romulans are meant to be"). In point of fact, D'Tan and other officials of the New Romulan Republic and/or military like to emphasize the values of "openness and honesty" over "secrecy and deceit" quite a lot. While no political state can exist long without some secrecy and deceit, there is such a thing as going to extremes, and the Tal'Shiar definitely went to, and beyond, extremes.

    I have to agree with Protogoth here. This is a new start for the Romulans who want to live differently to the Romulans we know of from TNG. Even then the Tal'Shiar were feared by the people and disliked by the military. Before the destruction of Romulus this was not possible.

    There is even a cut scene where D'Tan politely tells the Tal'Shiar where to go.

    I too would like to see more in depth story missionds on the situation. Maybe they can be gated behind the rep system like some of the missions already are. When you have reached tier 5 you have earned enough trust to start these missions.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Exclusive content for Rommies gated behind the Rep is an interesting idea. Color me interested. My sole Rommie is KDF aligned but all that growling and fang baring and such can be a trifle annoying some days. ;)
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    What I would wish for the romulan faction is an en par alliance partner... Like the federation or the kdf...
    jagabis wrote: »
    2) More Romulan specific missions such as involving senators, praetors, proconsuls etc. Romulans are meant to be tricky and involved in political back stabbing stuff like that. I really feel like this is missing

    Well... The thing with the romulan faction is.... Those are not romulans.
    I really like the rom faction. I like the theme, the "underdog"-type of story, the uniforms, the missions are great, so I won't complain.
    But they are not romulans. The tal shiar, that's what romulans are like. That what I think ppl expect when they get something advertised as "romulans". That would involve all that funny politics and backstabbing ect.

    It's even funny, every time it comes to it the tal shiar are the ones using romulan ships, most of the time the republic uses the cryptic designs (wich are nice but also... Not romulan. The dyson ship is the only Cryptic creation that has a romulan looking shape) while the Tal shiar uses actual canon = romulan ships.
    So while they turned the Klingons into space orcs, misjudging them as just dump evil warriors, they did the opposite extreme to the romulans. They are certainly not 1 dimensional villains, but they are also not the nice guys from sto.
    shpoks wrote: »
    I don't know about the beta on Tribble, but I'm 100% sure that there never was an ability to craft in NRC on Holodeck. I know this because I made my Romulan instantly after the LoR patch was done and this was one of the first things I checked out when I hit level 10 and visited NRC, since my Rom is a maxed out crafter I wanted to do that there, but found out I have to go to Memory Alpha.

    Well you should again, it's there.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'd like to see a story series which resolves the Tal Shiar plotline. Yes, I know Hakeev is dead. I shot him myself. Just like you did. :D But the remnants of the Tal Shiar are still out there somewhere in the dark. Biding their time. Dreaming moldy dreams of empire and conquest and plotting.

    Long past time someone boldly went into those shadows and cleansed them. Once and for all.
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'd like to see a story series which resolves the Tal Shiar plotline. Yes, I know Hakeev is dead. I shot him myself. Just like you did. :D But the remnants of the Tal Shiar are still out there somewhere in the dark. Biding their time. Dreaming moldy dreams of empire and conquest and plotting.

    Long past time someone boldly went into those shadows and cleansed them. Once and for all.

    I'm still curious about what happened to Sela
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited February 2014
    What I would like is for the Romulan faction to really become an independent faction. I don't have much problems with the end of the empire and the start of the republic, but I don't like all that much doing missions that state plainly I'm doing stuff for the Federation (or Klingon empire).

    Can I add "shooting D'Tan and Kererek in the face" to the above?
    Seriously what kinda brain dead chucklenuts finds an Iconian Gateway on their new/old home world, further finds evidence that the last time it was activated it caused catastrophic damage to the whole planet, then decides to turn it the hell on?!
    Couple that with all the evidence your character brings in through the course of the Rom plot episodes that the Iconians are active and setting up their return!
    Even better than that! Lets not be patient and take our time and research this thing, nope, lets put it on a time table and forcibly push the project on a certain date, even when there are still anomalous readings last second and the "experts" you have assigned have serious doubts! Oh and we're gonna invite Ambassador Worf over because he's had experience and then we're gonna tell him to shut up and stand in the corner because we don't wanna hear anything he actually has to say on the matter, we're on a tight schedule!!
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Can I add "shooting D'Tan and Kererek in the face" to the above?
    Seriously what kinda brain dead chucklenuts finds an Iconian Gateway on their new/old home world, further finds evidence that the last time it was activated it caused catastrophic damage to the whole planet, then decides to turn it the hell on?!
    Couple that with all the evidence your character brings in through the course of the Rom plot episodes that the Iconians are active and setting up their return!
    Even better than that! Lets not be patient and take our time and research this thing, nope, lets put it on a time table and forcibly push the project on a certain date, even when there are still anomalous readings last second and the "experts" you have assigned have serious doubts! Oh and we're gonna invite Ambassador Worf over because he's had experience and then we're gonna tell him to shut up and stand in the corner because we don't wanna hear anything he actually has to say on the matter, we're on a tight schedule!!

    I second this. For all the reasons you mentioned.
  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    What I would wish for the romulan faction is an en par alliance partner... Like the federation or the kdf...



    Well... The thing with the romulan faction is.... Those are not romulans.
    I really like the rom faction. I like the theme, the "underdog"-type of story, the uniforms, the missions are great, so I won't complain.
    But they are not romulans. The tal shiar, that's what romulans are like. That what I think ppl expect when they get something advertised as "romulans". That would involve all that funny politics and backstabbing ect.

    It's even funny, every time it comes to it the tal shiar are the ones using romulan ships, most of the time the republic uses the cryptic designs (wich are nice but also... Not romulan. The dyson ship is the only Cryptic creation that has a romulan looking shape) while the Tal shiar uses actual canon = romulan ships.
    So while they turned the Klingons into space orcs, misjudging them as just dump evil warriors, they did the opposite extreme to the romulans. They are certainly not 1 dimensional villains, but they are also not the nice guys from sto.



    Well you should again, it's there.


    'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This Romulan is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-ROMULAN!! :P


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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Tal'Shiar were formed by Devoras Narviat in 2344. They've only been around for 65 years. Romulans existed before 2344. In fact, our first encounters with them (TOS, not ENT, going by real world chronology) were in 2266 and 2267, 77 years before the Tal'Shiar were formed.

    Tal'Shiar =/= Romulan

    If anything, Tal'Shiar is the antithesis of what it means to be Romulan. Why did the Romulans leave Vulcan? For the sake of emotion? No. For the sake of freedom. Freedom is the Mnhei'sahe of Rihanh; it is the actuating ideal which underlies what it means to be Romulan. The Tal'Shiar, to the contrary, are opponents of freedom.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    The Tal'Shiar were formed by Devoras Narviat in 2344. They've only been around for 65 years. Romulans existed before 2344. In fact, our first encounters with them (TOS, not ENT, going by real world chronology) were in 2266 and 2267, 77 years before the Tal'Shiar were formed.

    Tal'Shiar =/= Romulan

    If anything, Tal'Shiar is the antithesis of what it means to be Romulan. Why did the Romulans leave Vulcan? For the sake of emotion? No. For the sake of freedom. Freedom is the Mnhei'sahe of Rihanh; it is the actuating ideal which underlies what it means to be Romulan. The Tal'Shiar, to the contrary, are opponents of freedom.

    You misunderstood me. Its not the Tal'Shiar as organization that "IS" Romulan, its their behavior.
    The Republic romulans are cuddly good guys, they behave like the romulans we know from the series.
    And I will not even say that there ARE or COULD BE romulans in canon like the ones we "are" as republic romulans.
    But thats simply not the romulans people want if they ask for romulans.

    If you ask for playing klingons you don't want to play a farmer or a dishonored halfbreed cleaning ferengie toilets, those CAN exist too. You want the kind of klingon from the series.

    As a fed you probably don't want to play as the civilian guy doing research in the regulus lab, you'd be a Starfeel officer.

    And as a Romulan you you don't want to be the good doing unificationist who certainly exists, you want to be the sneaky, mistrusting, pragmatic and often backstabbing infiltrating sort of romulans we saw. Well I can not speak for everyone, but if I want a romulan I want that (my romulan isn't romulan at all in terms of RP background).

    Again I like the story, I even like the STO Romulans.... but not AS Romulans.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You misunderstood me. Its not the Tal'Shiar as organization that "IS" Romulan, its their behavior.
    The Republic romulans are cuddly good guys, they behave like the romulans we know from the series.
    And I will not even say that there ARE or COULD BE romulans in canon like the ones we "are" as republic romulans.
    But thats simply not the romulans people want if they ask for romulans.

    If you ask for playing klingons you don't want to play a farmer or a dishonored halfbreed cleaning ferengie toilets, those CAN exist too. You want the kind of klingon from the series.

    As a fed you probably don't want to play as the civilian guy doing research in the regulus lab, you'd be a Starfeel officer.

    And as a Romulan you you don't want to be the good doing unificationist who certainly exists, you want to be the sneaky, mistrusting, pragmatic and often backstabbing infiltrating sort of romulans we saw. Well I can not speak for everyone, but if I want a romulan I want that (my romulan isn't romulan at all in terms of RP background).

    Again I like the story, I even like the STO Romulans.... but not AS Romulans.

    Please don't tell me what I want. I do not want to be a TNG Tal'Shiar toady. I want to be Liviana Charvanek.

    There were Romulans in the series before the Tal'Shiar, and there were Romulans in TNG and later series who were not Tal'Shiar, who hated and feared the Tal'Shiar. The Tal'Shiar is responsible for the Hobus supernova which destroyed ch'Rihan and ch'Havran. The Tal'Shiar is not representative of Romulans at all. It was an aberration, and now that it has been scattered and fragmented, we need to hunt the cells of Tal'Shiar down and eradicate them.
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Can I add "shooting D'Tan and Kererek in the face" to the above?
    Seriously what kinda brain dead chucklenuts finds an Iconian Gateway on their new/old home world, further finds evidence that the last time it was activated it caused catastrophic damage to the whole planet, then decides to turn it the hell on?!
    Couple that with all the evidence your character brings in through the course of the Rom plot episodes that the Iconians are active and setting up their return!
    Even better than that! Lets not be patient and take our time and research this thing, nope, lets put it on a time table and forcibly push the project on a certain date, even when there are still anomalous readings last second and the "experts" you have assigned have serious doubts! Oh and we're gonna invite Ambassador Worf over because he's had experience and then we're gonna tell him to shut up and stand in the corner because we don't wanna hear anything he actually has to say on the matter, we're on a tight schedule!!

    Hmmmm well, that kind of makes some sense to me. Not in terms of the Romulan Republic, but it has Romulan Empire written all over it. There were a number of situations in which we see the Romulans cutting corners to gain an edge. Right from the top of my head I recall Tin Man in which the lead Warbird forces it's engines beyond repair (would cause them to loose warp capability) just to to get to it before the Enterprise - One way trip. So starting up the gateway and see what happens does make sense to me from a Romulan perspective.
  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You misunderstood me. Its not the Tal'Shiar as organization that "IS" Romulan, its their behavior.
    The Republic romulans are cuddly good guys, they behave like the romulans we know from the series.
    And I will not even say that there ARE or COULD BE romulans in canon like the ones we "are" as republic romulans.
    But thats simply not the romulans people want if they ask for romulans.

    If you ask for playing klingons you don't want to play a farmer or a dishonored halfbreed cleaning ferengie toilets, those CAN exist too. You want the kind of klingon from the series.

    As a fed you probably don't want to play as the civilian guy doing research in the regulus lab, you'd be a Starfeel officer.

    And as a Romulan you you don't want to be the good doing unificationist who certainly exists, you want to be the sneaky, mistrusting, pragmatic and often backstabbing infiltrating sort of romulans we saw. Well I can not speak for everyone, but if I want a romulan I want that (my romulan isn't romulan at all in terms of RP background).

    Again I like the story, I even like the STO Romulans.... but not AS Romulans.


    Or at the very least, Romulans that doesn't suck it up to everyone else, like some kind of domesticated animal. I know what you are saying. They didn't exactly nail it, there is zero pride left in these ones. Just replace unification with assimilation, and there you have it. Freedom is to be yourself, not return back to that which you tried to escape. It would be like asking US citizens to go back to England. Some will do it, but to ask all of them. Now that is quite a stretch. Even if you nuke the Capitol. I am pretty sure that will harden the resolve more than anything. ;)


    Every time D'Tan speaks, I feel a little less Romulan. Unification, share secrets, openess, and Vulcan worship! He appears to be some kind of Demi-God worshipper!

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  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Well... The thing with the romulan faction is.... Those are not romulans.
    I really like the rom faction. I like the theme, the "underdog"-type of story, the uniforms, the missions are great, so I won't complain.
    But they are not romulans. The tal shiar, that's what romulans are like. That what I think ppl expect when they get something advertised as "romulans". That would involve all that funny politics and backstabbing ect.

    Yeah, but the in-game Tal'shiar are cartoon supervillains. It's impossible to take their stance seriously, since they're so over-the-top evil.

    We're only given two extremes: the real characterization in the series was always in the middle of those. I'd like to see more of that characterization written into future content, but unfortunately it probably won't happen since the Republic has the "nice" Romulans.
  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Yeah, but the in-game Tal'shiar are cartoon supervillains. It's impossible to take their stance seriously, since they're so over-the-top evil.

    We're only given two extremes: the real characterization in the series was always in the middle of those. I'd like to see more of that characterization written into future content, but unfortunately it probably won't happen since the Republic has the "nice" Romulans.


    Cryptic apparently never departed from their super hero origins. The interaction looks more like it is taken from City of Heroes. Just observe the hand movements of that female Tal Shiar underling, when approaching D'Tan. It's pure parody...

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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Or at the very least, Romulans that doesn't suck it up to everyone else, like some kind of domesticated animal. I know what you are saying. They didn't exactly nail it, there is zero pride left in these ones. Just replace unification with assimilation, and there you have it. Freedom is to be yourself, not return back to that which you tried to escape. It would be like asking US citizens to go back to England. Some will do it, but to ask all of them. Now that is quite a stretch. Even if you nuke the Capitol. I am pretty sure that will harden the resolve more than anything. ;)


    Every time D'Tan speaks, I feel a little less Romulan. Unification, share secrets, openess, and Vulcan worship! He appears to be some kind of Demi-God worshipper!

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    This is why I prefer to team up with the Klingons.
    Mortal enemy or not, they at least seem to see the Roms (in most cases) as allied not as their minions.
    In Spheres of Influece they even side with the ROMs against the Feds for Romulan claims.

    Yeah, but the in-game Tal'shiar are cartoon supervillains. It's impossible to take their stance seriously, since they're so over-the-top evil.

    We're only given two extremes: the real characterization in the series was always in the middle of those. I'd like to see more of that characterization written into future content, but unfortunately it probably won't happen since the Republic has the "nice" Romulans.

    Yes you are right.
    I should correct my point to "The in game tal'shiar is CLOSER to what the Romulans are/should be".

    I mean Romulans were most time kind of unique.
    They were pragmatics, using tatics like provoking others to violate the rules and reacting to that rather then just acting... Unlike klingons would.
    or well.... even sending an invasion force to the gamma quadrant hitting them before they could hit them (well that failed... but still). That kind of thing the federation would never do.
    But they were still no mindless idiots.... In "the chase" of all the different species the Romulan Captain was (outside of the always-good-federation-picard) the only one understanding what the message was about, and the only one taking something positive away (unlike the Klingons and Cardassians who just were disappointed that it wasn't a weapon)

    Ulimatly, for all things they always had good reasons.

    So yes, I'd really like to see REAL Romulans. Acting smart, ruthless, unscrupulous but never needlessly cruel or "just evil".
    Cryptic apparently never departed from their super hero origins. The interaction looks more like it is taken from City of Heroes. Just observe the hand movements of that female Tal Shiar underling, when approaching D'Tan. It's pure parody...

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    I thing that shows more with the Orcs. I mean Klingons. They are just "bad guys" in STO.
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Well... The thing with the romulan faction is.... Those are not romulans.
    I really like the rom faction. I like the theme, the "underdog"-type of story, the uniforms, the missions are great, so I won't complain.
    But they are not romulans. The tal shiar, that's what romulans are like. That what I think ppl expect when they get something advertised as "romulans". That would involve all that funny politics and backstabbing ect.

    It's even funny, every time it comes to it the tal shiar are the ones using romulan ships, most of the time the republic uses the cryptic designs (wich are nice but also... Not romulan. The dyson ship is the only Cryptic creation that has a romulan looking shape) while the Tal shiar uses actual canon = romulan ships.
    So while they turned the Klingons into space orcs, misjudging them as just dump evil warriors, they did the opposite extreme to the romulans. They are certainly not 1 dimensional villains, but they are also not the nice guys from sto.

    Yes! That is what the Peace and the Long Life is all about. Long live the Star Empire!
    R E M A I N

    Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.

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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    The Tal'Shiar were formed by Devoras Narviat in 2344. They've only been around for 65 years. Romulans existed before 2344. In fact, our first encounters with them (TOS, not ENT, going by real world chronology) were in 2266 and 2267, 77 years before the Tal'Shiar were formed.

    Tal'Shiar =/= Romulan

    If anything, Tal'Shiar is the antithesis of what it means to be Romulan. Why did the Romulans leave Vulcan? For the sake of emotion? No. For the sake of freedom. Freedom is the Mnhei'sahe of Rihanh; it is the actuating ideal which underlies what it means to be Romulan. The Tal'Shiar, to the contrary, are opponents of freedom.

    ppfftt..sorry, I don't like the Tal Shi'ar, but the Republic is worse.
    R E M A I N

    Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.

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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    ppfftt..sorry, I don't like the Tal Shi'ar, but the Republic is worse.

    Does the Republic conduct unprovoked attacks on its own citizens?

    Does the Republic allow fungoid aliens to feed on their citizens?

    Does the Republic perform experiments on its citizens?

    Does the Republic brainwash its citizens?

    Does the Republic arrest, imprison, and torture its citizens without cause?

    Does the Republic stifle freedom to the extent that its citizens dare not speak their minds in public -- and only do so in private with their most trusted friends and family members, even still realizing that they are taking a chance that could get them arrested or worse?

    Did the Republic destroy ch'Rihan, and with it, billions of Rihannsu?

    Since your answer to all of these questions must necessarily be "No," the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of anything the Republic has done which is worse than these acts of the Tal'Shiar.
  • jacktantojacktanto Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    would love it if romulan side Aliens actually got the same wide range of character customization as klingon and federation side characters...

    got an awesome little twitchy look on my fed female alien but on romulans i cant get her those big eyes or big skull, kinda lame to restrict romulan faction aliens to be less customizable than klingon and fed :mad:
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    Does the Republic perform experiments on its citizens?

    Does the Republic brainwash its citizens?

    Im gonna have to go with yes... Why? Because lets convince everyone (well the bulk of the Romulan NPCs anyways) that tinkering with an ancient Iconian gate is a great idea then, despite mounting evidence there are catastrophic risks, lets turn it on!! YEAH! No way in which this carefully laid plan, on a short timetable, could possibly go wrong. I quantify it as an experiment on its citizens since it was risking the entire population they just convinced to colonize here.
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    tacofangs wrote: »
    STO isn't canon, and neither are any of the books.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Im gonna have to go with yes... Why? Because lets convince everyone (well the bulk of the Romulan NPCs anyways) that tinkering with an ancient Iconian gate is a great idea then, despite mounting evidence there are catastrophic risks, lets turn it on!! YEAH! No way in which this carefully laid plan, on a short timetable, could possibly go wrong. I quantify it as an experiment on its citizens since it was risking the entire population they just convinced to colonize here.

    *pats you on the head* Cute, but still a phail. Go back and replay that mission, and pay closer attention.
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