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Need help from those fluent in Rihan!

undyingzeroundyingzero Member Posts: 313 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Romulan Discussion
Trying to get a fairly canon name for my Reman's Warbird, but because I'm an idiot I seek help from those fluent or knowledgeable in Rihan (Protogoth, I summon thee!)

So, in keeping with the Reman's dislike of bright light and the Romulan's love for sneakery and cloaking, I decided to name it something that reflects these things.

So I got vastam, which means Wing, and terrh, which means shadow. If I wanted my Warbird's name to be Winged Shadow, would it be written Vastam'eri Terrh or Vastam'terrh? Or are both ways wrong?
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  • diotwdiotw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'm in a similar boat actually, I'm levelling up a Reman, and I'd like his final ship to be called 'Memory of Remus' in Rihan. There's plenty of dictionaries online where I can find individual words, but they're not a lot of help with grammar and sentence structure. XD
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited February 2014
    Back when I named my warbirds, I was of the understanding that a Romulan language was never developed, just a large smattering of words and phrases. Using these, what's posted on the internet, I managed a name or two from those, but ultimately took the course several have and used Latin to name my ships.

    Am I incorrect and there is now a developed Romulan language? I'm actually surprised there hasn't been so far, considering the popularity of Klingon.

    Hmm...maybe I'll look into Quenya or Sindarin for future names. After all, many refer to the Romulans as Star Trek elves. ;)
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    http://www.rihan.org/drupal/

    Listen to undyingzero though, @protogoth knows what she's talking about, apart from Rihannsu politics that is. ;)
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    undyingzero wrote: »
    Trying to get a fairly canon name for my Reman's Warbird, but because I'm an idiot I seek help from those fluent or knowledgeable in Rihan (Protogoth, I summon thee!)

    So, in keeping with the Reman's dislike of bright light and the Romulan's love for sneakery and cloaking, I decided to name it something that reflects these things.

    So I got vastam, which means Wing, and terrh, which means shadow. If I wanted my Warbird's name to be Winged Shadow, would it be written Vastam'eri Terrh or Vastam'terrh? Or are both ways wrong?


    Neither is correct.

    "Vastam" means "wing" in the sense of military maneuvering and tactics, not in terms of birds or ships. The "wing" of a bird or aircraft or spaceship is "aen." That's simple enough.

    Next comes something slightly more complex, and that's the derivation of the adjective from the noun. Note that the English "winged" is based on a verb never (or very seldom) actually used in English; the Romulan "aen," however, is a noun. As such, you will not get the meaning "winged" by simply attaching the -'eri suffix to the root. Here we face a choice: do we go with something like "wingy" or "wingous" (which, to be honest, would convey essentially the same meaning as "winged"), or do we invent a Romulan verb "to wing" (in the sense of "to equip with wings"), and then make an adjective of that?

    This gives us two main options:
    aenemh (wingy) aenai (wingous) ih'aen (wing-ial, wingish, wing-like, etc)
    or
    ihrraen'eri (winged).

    I would personally recommend aenai or ihrraen'eri.

    Next comes "terrh," which actually means "darkness." For "shadow," the word you want is "laehval."

    Now we must consider Rihan syntax. With but few exceptions, a word which modifies another comes after the word it modifies. So in this case, you would write:

    Laehval Ihrraen'eri.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    diotw wrote: »
    I'm in a similar boat actually, I'm levelling up a Reman, and I'd like his final ship to be called 'Memory of Remus' in Rihan. There's plenty of dictionaries online where I can find individual words, but they're not a lot of help with grammar and sentence structure. XD

    Memory of Remus:

    Flaihhsam ch'Havran (Memory of Remans), Flaihhsam s'ch'Havran (? = Memory of Remus, best I can figure if we take "ch'Havran" as the nominative-accusative form of the planet's name, although strictly speaking, the name of the planet should be fully "euhre ch'Havran" = "planet of Remans", and thus a technically more correct and more sensible name would be "Flaihhsam euhren ch'Havran" = "Memory of the Planet of Remans").
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    Back when I named my warbirds, I was of the understanding that a Romulan language was never developed, just a large smattering of words and phrases. Using these, what's posted on the internet, I managed a name or two from those, but ultimately took the course several have and used Latin to name my ships.

    Am I incorrect and there is now a developed Romulan language? I'm actually surprised there hasn't been so far, considering the popularity of Klingon.

    Hmm...maybe I'll look into Quenya or Sindarin for future names. After all, many refer to the Romulans as Star Trek elves. ;)

    Or you could check up on Romulan Language Resources.
  • undyingzeroundyingzero Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My summons hath been answered, the epohh and Tal'Shiar blood sacrifice worked. Khnai'ra, protogoth!

    So, if I wanted to use Darkness instead of Shadow (I crosswired both for some reason) it'd be Terrh Ihrraen'eri? I could live with that :3
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    http://www.rihan.org/drupal/

    Listen to undyingzero though, @protogoth knows what she's talking about, apart from Rihannsu politics that is. ;)

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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    undyingzero wrote: »
    My summons hath been answered, the epohh and Tal'Shiar blood sacrifice worked. Khnai'ra, protogoth!

    So, if I wanted to use Darkness instead of Shadow (I crosswired both for some reason) it'd be Terrh Ihrraen'eri? I could live with that :3

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  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Now THIS is a fascinating thread! All the bicker bicker fight fight threads bore me, but this one caught my attention! Well played, all!

    Anyway, I am from a small town in Wyoming (USA) called Star Valley (not originally, but where I call home now). Would the phrase "Stel'Rhiol" be accurate? Not sure but it seemed to me to reference "Valley of Stars."

    Thanks!
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    crm14916 wrote: »
    Now THIS is a fascinating thread! All the bicker bicker fight fight threads bore me, but this one caught my attention! Well played, all!

    Anyway, I am from a small town in Wyoming (USA) called Star Valley (not originally, but where I call home now). Would the phrase "Stel'Rhiol" be accurate? Not sure but it seemed to me to reference "Valley of Stars."

    Thanks!
    CM

    I'd go with
    Rrhiol ih'Saeihr
    which is literally
    Star Valley.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Much appreciation for all the help, great to see threads like this. I've used Drow for my 'dark elf' character's ships, but Romulan is something I've never really delved into.

    I've been using names with 'Ash' in them because I like the whole 'rising from the ashes' theme the Romulan Republic has going for it. The closest word/meaning I've found for 'ash' is adjective 'rehillh'. I could see that working within the names "Ashen Wing"(Rehillh Ihrraen'eri ?) or "Ashen Wind"(Rehillh Khaiell ?), but I'm a bit stumped in regards to "Ash Walker" or as a more literal meaning of "(That which) Walks Among/Over Ashes".
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    szerontzur wrote: »
    Much appreciation for all the help, great to see threads like this. I've used Drow for my 'dark elf' character's ships, but Romulan is something I've never really delved into.

    I've been using names with 'Ash' in them because I like the whole 'rising from the ashes' theme the Romulan Republic has going for it. The closest word/meaning I've found for 'ash' is adjective 'rehillh'. I could see that working within the names "Ashen Wing"(Rehillh Ihrraen'eri ?) or "Ashen Wind"(Rehillh Khaiell ?), but I'm a bit stumped in regards to "Ash Walker" or as a more literal meaning of "(That which) Walks Among/Over Ashes".

    Adjective follows noun; adverb follows verb; some few exceptions exist.

    Aen Rehillh = Ashen Wing

    Khaiell Rehilh = Ashen Wind

    There is no official word for "ash" in any dictionary at my disposal, although there is a small corpus of literature in Rihan which has not always been codified and added to the dictionaries, in which some such word might be found. However, many Rihannsu revere the Elements, and in cultures with such perspectives, it would not be uncommon to find a common thing named with reference to personified Elements, such as Okhala, the Element of Fire among the Rihanh (not the same as non-elemental fire, not the same as plasma fire, but the Personification of the Element of Fire in a Mystical or Religious sense). A possibility for "ash," then, might be something like "child of Fire," which would give:
    veoth s'Okhala = Offspring of Fire = Ash
    the plural in this example would be:
    veothir s'Okhala

    So for your other name:
    nveninen sa'veoth s'Okhala = Walker with Ash, One-Who-Walks with Ash
    or
    nveninen sa'veothir s'Okhala = Walker with Ashes, One-Who-Walks with Ashes.

    Nveninen sa'veothir s'Okhala would perhaps be best?
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Ah, okay, thanks for the adjectives clarification. I misinterpreted the previous case/explanation.

    I might want to give up on "Ash Walker", it seems like a name that gets a bit lost in translation - at least in a way that is succinct and appropriate for a ship name.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    edited February 2014
    not only that, do try to remember ship names are limited to 16 characters, so something like Nveninen sa'veothir s'Okhala wouldn't even fit
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited February 2014
    ....Really... why hasnt Cryptic put protogoth on staff yet? She and I have had conflicts several times but one really cannot even dispute her mastery of Romulan language... the immersion factor in sto could go up 1000 times if ya just let her liberally sprinkle gratuitous Romulan words and phrases in the dialogue ;)
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Making a name isn't exactly like turning a creative phrase. I've always assumed that one can make abbreviations rather than sticking to a literal translation. So to go back to the OP's original example,
    Laehval Ihrraen'eri is a great and accurate translation for prose. But going for a ship name, I'd probably choose the shorter of the 'wing' choices (ih'aen) and combine it, for something like:

    Laehvih'aen

    Not strictly an accurate translation, but then names rarely are. :)
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kodachikuno wrote: »
    ....Really... why hasnt Cryptic put protogoth on staff yet? She and I have had conflicts several times but one really cannot even dispute her mastery of Romulan language... the immersion factor in sto could go up 1000 times if ya just let her liberally sprinkle gratuitous Romulan words and phrases in the dialogue ;)


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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    I'd go with
    Rrhiol ih'Saeihr
    which is literally
    Star Valley.

    Can I get a translation for the word Pheonix? Thanks Protogoth
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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    Ahr'yy'a na Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan. Flaihh'u ch'Rihan! Flaihh'u ch'Virinat! Thiich'u Khreh'dhhokh Mol'Rihan u' na Mol'Rihannsu!

    Oh you, with your crazed ramblings. Your precious D'tan can never compare with the skill of Obisek or Sela. Without the Klingons or the Humans, the Rihannsu would still be on Rator III, the original "New Romulus". The Republic will wither after a while anyways, because without the Star Empire, the Rihannsu have no home, the Republic can never make up for that.
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    Oh you, with your crazed ramblings. Your precious D'tan can never compare with the skill of Obisek or Sela. Without the Klingons or the Humans, the Rihannsu would still be on Rator III, the original "New Romulus". The Republic will wither after a while anyways, because without the Star Empire, the Rihannsu have no home, the Republic can never make up for that.

    Mate, Sela was a crazy psycopath :rolleyes:

    Also, Obisek hates the Tal Shiar, and did ally with the Romulan Republic.
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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying D'tan is not an appropriate leader for the Rihannsu. Plus, Sela tolerated the Tal Shi'ar, she never endorsed them. But, then again, Obisek isn't the posterchild for mental balance either.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jmaster29 wrote: »
    Can I get a translation for the word Pheonix? Thanks Protogoth

    Alas, there is no such word in Rihan.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    Oh you, with your crazed ramblings. Your precious D'tan can never compare with the skill of Obisek or Sela. Without the Klingons or the Humans, the Rihannsu would still be on Rator III, the original "New Romulus". The Republic will wither after a while anyways, because without the Star Empire, the Rihannsu have no home, the Republic can never make up for that.

    Although "Latasam Stelai Rom'linz" (supposedly meaning "Star Road of the People") has been used as a poetic equivalent of "Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan" ("Romulan Star Empire"), and leaving aside for the present the fact that the only word out of the name that can be found in any Seiiya is "stelam" (which takes the form "stelai" in nominative-accusative plural, but which makes no sense here used as an adjective), the simple fact of reality is that "Latasam" is not coterminous with "Shiar." The Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan didn't even exist until Terran year 938, and the Rihanh did alright before that. Removal of that which had served only to stifle the people from being faithful to mnhei'sahe can only serve to encourage flourishing, rather than withering.

    Sela has no skill, either. Sela came to power by hiring Hirogen mercenaries to hunt and kill Romulans and Remans. She appealed to force, rather than skill. She is and always will be unworthy of any authority.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying D'tan is not an appropriate leader for the Rihannsu. Plus, Sela tolerated the Tal Shi'ar, she never endorsed them. But, then again, Obisek isn't the posterchild for mental balance either.

    On what basis do you assert that D'Tan is "not an appropriate leader" for Rihannsu?
  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    protogoth wrote: »
    On what basis do you assert that D'Tan is "not an appropriate leader" for Rihannsu?
    I think on the basis that he feels it will 'get your goat', llhei. ;)
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Well...while protogoth is helping with names I could use that. For my dyson warbird I was thinking "revealing light". How would I say that in Rihannsu?
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    Well...while protogoth is helping with names I could use that. For my dyson warbird I was thinking "revealing light". How would I say that in Rihannsu?

    First, let's get the name right.

    The Romulan people as a whole are Rihanh. A group of Romulans are Rihannsu. A Romulan is a Rihanha. To call someone "Romulan," you call them "Rihan." The name of the Romulan language is also "Rihan."

    The homeworld of Romulans is "ch"Rihan" (more properly "euhre ch'Rihan," which is literally "planet of Romulans"). The homeworld of Remans is "ch'Havran."

    The new homeworld of Romulans and Remans is "ch'Mol'Rihan" (euhre ch'Mol'Rihan). We are "Mol'Rihannsu," New Romulans. "Kreh'dhhokh Mol'Rihan" is "New Romulan Republic."

    Light, that which is visible manifestation of photonic waves, is

    Liorae

    To Reveal (verb) is

    irae

    irae'enh = revealing (adjective)

    Liorae Irae'enh = Revealing Light

    Liorae Irae'enh
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    royalsovereign wrote: »
    I think on the basis that he feels it will 'get your goat', llhei. ;)

    This assertion is correct, I'm just mouthing off some standard propaganda to get a rise out of her.

    But, either way, I'm still loyal to the Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bltrrn wrote: »
    This assertion is correct, I'm just mouthing off some standard propaganda to get a rise out of her.

    But, either way, I'm still loyal to the Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan.

    Ahr'yy'a na Shiar ih'Saeihr Rihan, nim arhem fraetan h'taev hwi.
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