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If we ever got a Keldon, should it be a Flight Deck Cruiser?
killdozer9211
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Hey everyone, I've been looking at EAS and memory alpha all day, specifically at the Cardassian Keldon class.
Now, bear with me here, I agree that the amount of ships with hangars on the game is getting a tad high. But if you look at the Keldon's model, the thing's got 7-9 large bay doors on it. 2-4 under the "ray" section of the original Galor on each side, depending on the model, 1 in front under the deflector, but I'm pretty sure that's for landing troops, and 2 on either side of the large "mission pod"-like structure on the aft, dorsal part of the ship.
Also, we could still use a nice tactically oriented FDC, similar to the current Galor's setup.
Memory alpha refers to the Hideki class as frigates, but likens them to runabouts, and the only Galor MSD I can find shows at least 2 per ship.
So what if any playable Keldon we got came with Hideki-class hangar, either as a single hangar frigate like the Scim's drones, or as 2-per-wing pet like a runabout or marauding party?
Obviously, we can't just slap a hangar on a Galor, it'd have to give up something. Probably a couple points off the turn rate, what else?
Any opinions?
Now, bear with me here, I agree that the amount of ships with hangars on the game is getting a tad high. But if you look at the Keldon's model, the thing's got 7-9 large bay doors on it. 2-4 under the "ray" section of the original Galor on each side, depending on the model, 1 in front under the deflector, but I'm pretty sure that's for landing troops, and 2 on either side of the large "mission pod"-like structure on the aft, dorsal part of the ship.
Also, we could still use a nice tactically oriented FDC, similar to the current Galor's setup.
Memory alpha refers to the Hideki class as frigates, but likens them to runabouts, and the only Galor MSD I can find shows at least 2 per ship.
So what if any playable Keldon we got came with Hideki-class hangar, either as a single hangar frigate like the Scim's drones, or as 2-per-wing pet like a runabout or marauding party?
Obviously, we can't just slap a hangar on a Galor, it'd have to give up something. Probably a couple points off the turn rate, what else?
Any opinions?
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
24 hours ago, I would've agreed with you.
However, the Keldon is hardly even mentioned by name in the shows, let alone are we given what its role is. The images are quite clear, the thing is covered in doors to some kind of bays. The MSD of the Galor shows at least 2 hidekis alone in the main body behind similar doors. So we look at the added top part of the keldon, and it's pretty apparent. It's a large pod with shuttle-bay sized doors on each side, on an elevated part of the ship with good visibility, and it could easily fit a Hideki or two.
It could be that Keldons' aft pod addition is there to carry Hidekis into combat. I know we see them fighting in the same battles in Sacrifice of Angels. Anyone remember if we saw any Hidekis fighting the Dominion forces when that Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order task force went into the Gamma Quadrant? I know they took Keldons.
that means it has a shuttlebay. every fed ship large enough has a shuttlebay, doesnt mean they are flight deck cruisers. the romulan d'deridex has two shuttlebays on the underpart of the ship as well, again doesnt mean its a flght deck cruiser either.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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That suggests that the Keldon is a Sci-flavored Cruiser.
For several reasons - first of all, the pet spam in this game has crossed the line of ridiculous. For ex. more and more times lately when I decide to play the SB defense for fleet marks, half of the time I have no idea what's going on because there are literally hundreds of small craft spamming all kinds of stuff. We reeeealy don't want to add more to this type of spam in the game, believe me. Unless Cryptic decides to increase the size of the maps, so they don't turn out to be such a clogged mess they are now.
Second - I agree with mirrorchaos, the design of the Keldon may show doors but we actually have no idea what they are about. Never has it been mentioned that they are hangar bays. Never has it been portrayed in the shows that it has hangar bays. Come to think of it, the carriers and hangars are Cryptic's own invention that barely any culture in Star Trek ever used, only the Kazon came to mind atm, and....well....we all know the intelectual capacities of the Kazon. :P
They way I have always seen the Keldon, even before I started playing STO is - heavier, stronger variant of the Galor, so if the Galor is a cruiser, the Keldon would be a battleship of sorts.
And finally - I'm probably one of the biggest Cardassian fans around here. I am also a cruiser guy and I've always dreamed of having the Cardassian faction one day and blasting other faction players with my Keldon cruiser.
But you know what I say? Let's make our way into a Cardassian playable faction first and then we'll decide on the ship division and their roles then. Once you exist as a faction, these things are easier.
However their smallest ship is listed as a Frigate and of good size. It would also work as just a heavier cruiser to Battleship. Since the larger addition to the ship wasn't fully clear on its function. However I see it listed by hauling troops. So the pod I can see more for that only for boarding parties or other troop movements.
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As far as the Keldon is concerned, I always considered it a beefier version of the Galor. One idea for it I always liked was in the TBS game Birth of the Federation there was a specific type of ship called a 'strike cruiser' all factions had - it was basically a low warp, high-torpedo planetary bombardment strategic asset. The Cardassian faction had the Keldon as their strike cruiser. I gather this was probably inspired by how in the episode The Die Is Cast, we see Keldons and D'Deridexes in a small fleet used to bombard the Founder's home planet. We never see the Keldons ever again, and it makes sense to equip a fleet for a specific mission the tools they'd need to fulfil their objectives. So that fleet likely was prepared for planetary annihilation and maybe not a whole lot else.
I don't know how this would translate into STO terms though. Probably not usefully, I'd imagine
I can't see a Cardassian faction/fraction any time soon. Not within the next 12 - 18 months anyway. We're headed out to the Delta Quadrant now. We'd need to turn the focus back toward the Alpha & Beta Quadrants if we were ever going to see a Cardassian launch.
But if we see some dumb arkif cryptic designed escort carrier carrier when the game needs a good tactical FDC and we have a Galor with a hangar stuck on its back already in the game, I'm going to be perturbed, to say the least.
Yes, the cardassian ships are never touched on that heavily in canon, but that works two ways. For every time we're not told if it's a carrier, we're also not told it's not. Like I said, the only MSD of the Galor I could find shows 2 Hidekis inside it, in a space the same size as the Keldon's hull addition.
And yeah, I realize that any Keldon we got is a ways off, but honestly, at this point I'd be almost as happy if they just split the cardassian assets up for us. Give us a FE engineering Cardassian boff reward, stick a keldon FDC in the lobi store with a hangar of hidekis, and put any more spiral waves in the dilithium store with the andorian phasers. That could probably be a whole new thread though.
Anyway, I know we haven't seen much that's saying the ship couldn't run a single hangar of 2-4 Hidekis depending on their class, but after looking at all the canon information I can, I'm seeing a lot less that says it couldn't.
I'm with you on that one. Even if it takes a lot of patience, it's still the prefered thing to do.