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New Ship Class Request: Dauntless Class

strorusstrorus Member Posts: 328 Arc User
Hi,

Thought I would share my thoughts on my desire for this ship and variants to be in game... I would love to see what JamJamz could do with some cryptic designed variants of this ship.

For those of you who may not know which I am referring to, here it is...

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dauntless_class

It is a beautifully designed sleek ship, I love the deflector... It is just gorgeous, I am loving the thought of how some of the STO ship skins would look, and ummm hmmm! :)

I would not care if it was Lock box, C-store or free, but would a C-store version, maybe something similar to the Avenger where the Fleet version offer some different ship parts.

In terms of back ground and stats, here's my two pennies worth...

Reasons why it is viable to be in game / Back story:

Starfleet are looking to the Delta Quadrant, for exploration, but primarily for assistance in it ongoing troubles with the Klingons, Borg and the rumoured threat by the returning Iconians.

So they are looking to design a fleet of ship dedicated to the return to the Delta Quadrant (Project Delta Return - Delta Fleet).

Starfleet when at the drawing board look to existing ships and where design changes or improvements could be made. The first thing they look at is Slip Stream Drive and the ongoing improvements in this field; but remember and turn to voyager library and look at the ship where this technology came from as well as access Borg data files on species 116.

And so the Dauntless Class ship became the front runner for a ship with the latest and best slip stream drive Starfleet had to offer, so this solved the problem of getting to the Delta Quadrant, so now what was Starfleet going to do with the ship in terms of set up etc.

Well, they decide to make is a science ship as opportunities for exploration would still be on the cards for the Delta Quadrant return and being far a away from home the ship would need the best sensors and shield for defence and analysis. But following Voyagers experiences Starfleet recognised the need for this ship to have more Tactical capability.

So I give the Dauntless class Starfleet built:

- Weapons: 4 fore, 2 aft
- Consoles: 4 Sci, 3 Tac, 2 Eng (Fleet: 4 Sci, 4 Tac, 2 Eng)
- Hull: 28000 (Fleet: 30800)
- Shield Mod: 1.4 (Fleet: 1.55)
- Turn Rate: 13
- Stations: 1 Cmd Sci; 1 Lt Cmd Tac, 1 Lt Cmd Uni, 1 Ens Eng
- Can equip Cloak Device (First Starfleet Sci to do so)
- Special Slip Stream: Base speed: Warp 26, 1min up time, 30sec cooldown

- Special Console:
+20% Speed and Turn Rate and Defence
Slip stream Wake - Vent Slipstream Particulate; Any Dauntless class ship that has this equipped leaves a trail of Slipstream particulate behind them which leaves an AoE that Slows, chance to placate for 10 sec and drains Shield and Engine power

- Special Fleet Console (On Fleet Version): Particle Synthesis Generator:
+24 to particle Generators, +24 to Flow Capacitors +1% CritH +7% CritD
1st Click power - Enhanced Particle field Feedback pulse which reflects damage so any ship firing on you and deals Kinetic damage to all enemy targets within 5km over the duration

2nd Click power - As this is also an enhanced holographic system it creates a Holographic Emergency Crew; Emergency Medical Holograms provide crew recovery providing a instant shield heal and HoT; Emergency Engineering Holograms provide instant Hull heal and HoTs; and finally Emergency Command Holograms provide a 10% All Weapons damage boost and increase in all power levels by 15.

2 Set Bonus:
Tactical Analysis
+100% to sensor analysis speed
5% power recharge time reduction
Click Power: Slip Stream Jump; Jumps the ship approx. 20 Km from your enemy (programmers would have to make sure the jump did not move to a place on a map where you would be come stuck).

Let me know what you guys think?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    strorus wrote: »
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    Patience young padawan.

    The dauntless is high up on the ladder of suspected anniversary ships. With new Delta quadrant content on route it's only a matter of time before we see the Dauntless.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Geko said in his interview a month or so ago that it's coming.
  • strorusstrorus Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Geko said in his interview a month or so ago that it's coming.

    Yes, yes, yes! I cannot wait! I hope it is a Sci vessel. :)
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Basically a Cerberus class but with two nacelles. Do we really need it and why would Starfleet choose to design some alien, Starfleet based ship?
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Dont care about other opinions, just love the design.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Basically a Cerberus class but with two nacelles. Do we really need it and why would Starfleet choose to design some alien, Starfleet based ship?

    lockbox ships enough said
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Basically a Cerberus class but with two nacelles. Do we really need it and why would Starfleet choose to design some alien, Starfleet based ship?

    Well we could start by it being supposed to happen anyways?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Dauntless looks like a shrimpy version of the Star Cruiser. Hopefully, it'll do better THAN the Star Cruiser
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Ok OP lets look at the BOFFS.

    Cmdr Sci
    LT cmdr Tac
    Lt cmdr universal
    Ens Eng

    SERIOUSLY? No just no. You do not get 3 boff stations at Lt Cmdr level or better, just no.

    Cmdr Science
    Lt Tac
    Lt Eng
    Ens Science
    Ens Universal.

    3 BOFFS at LT cmdr of better. No just no.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    3 BOFFS at LT cmdr of better. No just no.

    D'deridex, Atrox, Vo'quv, Kar'fi, Recluse, and Fleet Norgh all say yes.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    D'deridex, Atrox, Vo'quv, Kar'fi, Recluse, and Fleet Norgh all say yes.

    Yeah, name 1 anniversary ship that has that BOFF layout.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lol :D Those proposed stats. :DROFLMAO!!! :P:D
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  • strorusstrorus Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Ok OP lets look at the BOFFS.

    Cmdr Sci
    LT cmdr Tac
    Lt cmdr universal
    Ens Eng

    SERIOUSLY? No just no. You do not get 3 boff stations at Lt Cmdr level or better, just no.

    Cmdr Science
    Lt Tac
    Lt Eng
    Ens Science
    Ens Universal.

    3 BOFFS at LT cmdr of better. No just no.

    There are always Lock Box / Lobi ships with this configuration.
  • strorusstrorus Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Yeah, name 1 anniversary ship that has that BOFF layout.

    Who said anything about it being the Anniversary ship?
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    lockbox ships enough said
    please don't give anyone ideas to stick a design that people like in a bloody lockbox.
    Besides they usually want to have a whole series to have reason.
    I like this ship, it's a very sleek design, but it's not a big ship so I don't see it fitting in the Star Cruiser department, maybe some kind of SCI escort?
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I've always had conflicted feelings about it. I don't even think the Dauntless actually had weapons.. it was originally a cargo/passenger ship that was heavily modified to mimic a Starfleet vessel, IIRC.

    It's a bit too large to be a shuttle. Voyager was still quite a bit larger than it was though, meaning it would likely be closer to a corvette or raider in size.

    Making an exact copy of the Dauntless seems a bit silly, in my opinion, but making a ship heavily inspired by it seems entirely reasonable.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    strorus wrote: »
    Who said anything about it being the Anniversary ship?

    considering the devs said it was coming, we are pushing out into the delta quadrant, and the devs also have been tight lipped about what the fed ann ship will be, probably dauntless.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    strorus wrote: »
    Who said anything about it being the Anniversary ship?

    True, he never specifically said that. Because he also mentioned the Constellation.



    So either Cryptic is going to keep with the theme of the Anniversaries being Enterprise-related, I.E. they would give away the Constellation-class because it was Picard's first ship, or the Anniversary ship will be the Dauntless in which will go with Cryptic's push into the Delta Quadrant.

    But lets be realistic, the Anniversary ship likely will be the Constellation and they save the Dauntless for the C-store for when Season 9 is out. :rolleyes:
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    True, he never specifically said that. Because he also mentioned the Constellation.



    So either Cryptic is going to keep with the theme of the Anniversaries being Enterprise-related, I.E. they would give away the Constellation-class because it was Picard's first ship, or the Anniversary ship will be the Dauntless in which will go with Cryptic's push into the Delta Quadrant.

    But lets be realistic, the Anniversary ship likely will be the Constellation and they save the Dauntless for the C-store for when Season 9 is out. :rolleyes:

    I think they'll have a riot if they give the Constellation as anniversary ship.
    I'd be like giving away a Miranda class. Sure, it's a free ship but that's about it.

    I think the Constellation will go into the C-store and something else (probably Dauntless) will be the gift.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    I think they'll have a riot if they give the Constellation as anniversary ship.
    I'd be like giving away a Miranda class. Sure, it's a free ship but that's about it.

    I think the Constellation will go into the C-store and something else (probably Dauntless) will be the gift.

    If the Constellation does go in the C-store it will create a situation, where they will now start offering two C-store ships of each type per Tier. Which means more ships we will never normally play with.

    But on the other hand.........we have been hinted that it will come with the Picard Maneuver console, so..............people better get ready to pay 750-1000 zen. :rolleyes:
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    True, he never specifically said that. Because he also mentioned the Constellation.



    So either Cryptic is going to keep with the theme of the Anniversaries being Enterprise-related, I.E. they would give away the Constellation-class because it was Picard's first ship, or the Anniversary ship will be the Dauntless in which will go with Cryptic's push into the Delta Quadrant.

    But lets be realistic, the Anniversary ship likely will be the Constellation and they save the Dauntless for the C-store for when Season 9 is out. :rolleyes:

    who said anything about the anni ship being just 1? and what if geko decided to his dev team about having the players choose one (const) or the other (daunt) in this limited time. that way both side gets to choose what they want. and klingons get a dedicated science ship for once and the rommies get a proper full carrier which is completely missing on their side atm.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If the Constellation does go in the C-store it will create a situation, where they will now start offering two C-store ships of each type per Tier. Which means more ships we will never normally play with.

    But on the other hand.........we have been hinted that it will come with the Picard Maneuver console, so..............people better get ready to pay 750-1000 zen. :rolleyes:

    Constellation should be fine as long as it has tier V stats (e.g. comparable to the tier V non-Fleet retrofit of the tier III cruiser--yes I am thinking of the Cheyenne, which really looks like it was supposed to be a 2360s-70s update of the Constellation).

    The Picard Maneuver sounds like it would basically combine the effects of Subspace Jump and Photonic Displacer--it would leave a decoy image in your old location while jumping your ship right on top of (or right behind) a targeted enemy within weapons range, and would break their target lock on you briefly. I am waiting to see how Cryptic plans to keep this from making the Subspace Jump obsolete without nerfing it into uselessness.
    shpoks wrote: »
    lol :D Those proposed stats.

    But seriously, the click powers on that Particle Synthesis console seem overdone--it should probably have only the first one, and the "holographic emergency crew" should be removed--there was nothing in the episode about Particle Synthesis being used to create A.I. "holographic-like" characters anyway.

    Also, the "Slipstream Wake" power should probably be a click-activated power with a cooldown, like the "Subspace Wake" power on the Risian Corvette. Having it "always active" is definitely a gameplay breaker unless its chances of actually disabling an enemy are significantly lower.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Constellation should be fine as long as it has tier V stats (e.g. comparable to the tier V non-Fleet retrofit of the tier III cruiser--yes I am thinking of the Cheyenne, which really looks like it was supposed to be a 2360s-70s update of the Constellation).

    The Picard Maneuver sounds like it would basically combine the effects of Subspace Jump and Photonic Displacer--it would leave a decoy image in your old location while jumping your ship right on top of (or right behind) a targeted enemy within weapons range, and would break their target lock on you briefly. I am waiting to see how Cryptic plans to keep this from making the Subspace Jump obsolete without nerfing it into uselessness.

    Subspace Jump isn't useless for Escorts, especially now for Raiders given the Flanking since it positions them behind a ship.

    And if they make the Constellation a Tier 5 ship or a Fleet ship, that's going to open a whole can of worms for having Tier 5 Mirandas and Constitutions flying around.


    Also, the Cheyenne isn't anymore of an update to the Constellation as the Miranda to the Nebula. It's just a ship design configuration.
    who said anything about the anni ship being just 1? and what if geko decided to his dev team about having the players choose one (const) or the other (daunt) in this limited time. that way both side gets to choose what they want. and klingons get a dedicated science ship for once and the rommies get a proper full carrier which is completely missing on their side atm.

    If they give more than one ship away per faction, I will be surprised.

    And if he did make us choose, that would be the ultimate D move. "Hey, want a free ship? Well I got two for you! But you can only choose one! For a limited time only!" :rolleyes:
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If they give more than one ship away per faction, I will be surprised.

    If they give more than one ship for the anniversary event, then I would be surprised. Might not be this year, but eventually, they will have 5 or more faction and designing 5 or more free ships for one event is something I just don't see them doing. Therefore, I see Cryptic releasing Cross-faction ships for the anniversary ships.

    As far as the Dauntless goes, I don't care if it is through the Anniversary Event, 3-piece C-Store ship, or some other method, it is one of the coolest Star Trek ships and I want it.
    And if he did make us choose, that would be the ultimate D move. "Hey, want a free ship? Well I got two for you! But you can only choose one! For a limited time only!" :rolleyes:

    The Ulitmate D move to Tier 5 Connie fans would be to release a Tier 5 Phoenix before it.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,921 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Dauntless looks like a shrimpy version of the Star Cruiser. Hopefully, it'll do better THAN the Star Cruiser

    Exactly my point...well part of it which must of gone right over peoples heads...odd alien designed ship which already looks like multiple ships we already have in game.
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Subspace Jump isn't useless for Escorts, especially now for Raiders given the Flanking since it positions them behind a ship.

    No, what I meant is that I hope that the Picard Maneuver is not nerfed into being useless for the sake of preventing it from making Subspace Jump obsolete.
    And if they make the Constellation a Tier 5 ship or a Fleet ship, that's going to open a whole can of worms for having Tier 5 Mirandas and Constitutions flying around.

    I was expecting something like what was done with the Ambassador, where for the limited-time anniversary event we could get the T5 version, but flying the mission later on would only give the T3 version.
    Also, the Cheyenne isn't anymore of an update to the Constellation as the Miranda to the Nebula. It's just a ship design configuration.

    I was referring more to how the Constellation is kitbashed out of Constitution Refit parts (saucer with 4 warp nacelles), while the Cheyenne is kitbashed out of scaled-down Galaxy parts (likewise saucer with 4 warp nacelles), which implies a similar design philosophy updated with newer hardware.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    i mean the feds only get two ships to choose from and the klingons and rommies only get the one. i know people on the kdf side would scream favoritism, thats a given, but if there is talk of a const and daunt and there is enough speculation that one or both are on the table, why not put both out there and choose? it would be better i thought then having two camps where the const was shelved and there is a lot of QQ or the daunt was shelved at the last moment and QQ there too.

    meanwhile the klingons get that dedicated science ship they so desperately need which should calm those accusatory voices by quite a bit.

    should solve several problems in one go.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    And if they make the Constellation a Tier 5 ship or a Fleet ship, that's going to open a whole can of worms for having Tier 5 Mirandas and Constitutions flying around.

    i would love to fly a t5 miranda :D. but what if they allowed a t5 miranda but not a t5 connie? the nerd rage would be awesome, lol.

    but there is a good chance the const will probably go fleet ship like the ambassador did and not have any need for t5 miranda's or connies' and the former would suck, but i could live with it... for now anyways.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    "I'm Commander Shepard, and I approve of a Dauntless class."

    I just want it for the pretty bridge. ;)

    I'll leave further specs to the devs, but something extra to the slipstream drive (in-game) would be nice and true for this ship.

    Make it so!
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Basically a Cerberus class but with two nacelles. Do we really need it and why would Starfleet choose to design some alien, Starfleet based ship?

    Why wouldn't they? It was built to Starfleet design aesthetics, and it was built by a member of a species with advanced knowledge of slipspace drive mechanics. You can create some very easy techno-babble about how the ship's shape is designed to better cut through slipspace or some other nonsense. Done!
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