War is Good For Business - Removed?

azurianstar

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=14438191&postcount=1

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The mission "War is Good for Business" has been removed.

Why was this mission removed?

Is it temporary and the mission is getting revamped? Or is this permanent?



Because while it doesn't have the flare of many fan favorite missions, people love fighting that Ferengi and that latinum stash. Not to mention, there are four accolades in that mission that will never be seen ever again. And accoladers love their trophies.

trek21

It might be because, the Ferengi and his stash aside, the mission doesn't really contribute... anything important to the storyline.

We recently met the Kuvah'Magh and saved a conference, and in the story mission after after that (not a typo), we meet a spy who has intel on the KDF's war plans. So basically, in that gap, we drop the fairly important stuff for something routine?

At least that's how I see it... also, Federation officers getting into an unavoidable bar fight for no reason probably isn't very dignified

azurianstar

And that warrants them to remove content from the game, because it doesn't fit with the storyline?

By that logic a ton of things would have to go since they don't conform to the storyline. :rolleyes:

trek21

azurianstar wrote: »

And that warrants them to remove content from the game, because it doesn't fit with the storyline?

By that logic a ton of things would have to go since they don't conform to the storyline. :rolleyes:

It's in the Terms of Content that they can basically change/add/remove anything they choose to lol

And I meant didn't fit with the overall STO storyline (in this case, the Fed-KDF 'war' bit), whatever we may think of it

peetapipmac

trek21 wrote: »

At least that's how I see it... also, Federation officers getting into an unavoidable bar fight for no reason probably isn't very dignified

I think you might be thinking of a different mission dude. I don't think there is a bar fight in that one.

trek21

peetapipmac wrote: »

I think you might be thinking of a different mission dude. I don't think there is a bar fight in that one.

Ah yes... my bad Guess my brain got that little quirk of Treasure Trading Station mixed up lmao

azurianstar

trek21 wrote: »

It's in the Terms of Content that they can basically change/add/remove anything they choose to lol

And I meant didn't fit with the overall STO storyline (in this case, the Fed-KDF 'war' bit), whatever we may think of it

I'm not debating they can or can not. The point is why.


You know how the community feels when content is taken out of STO.

ashkrik23

Normally I would be wanting to know why, but I never cared for this mission so...

tuskin67

Yeah honestly the mission was never very good to begin with. and it did nothing for the story.

sfc

I don't mind that they removed it one bit, and right now it doesn't have a place in the revamped storyline anyway. I would like a mission to fill the gap however, and that mission will probably be the Anniversary special.

kojirohellfire

I found it rather curious too. I've never been a fan of content being removed.

ursusmorologus

I'm glad they're thinning the Fed storyline content. There are way too many small missions on the Fed side, and it gets repetitive and monotonous fast. The other factions arcs are much better.

kojirohellfire

So remove a mission that actually mixed things up a little with random scanning of ships for stolen goods and going into a full impulse high speed chase when the culprit's found. Seems legit.

sirboulevard

kojirohellfire wrote: »

So remove a mission that actually mixed things up a little with random scanning of ships for stolen goods and going into a full impulse high speed chase when the culprit's found. Seems legit.

That still happens: In two other missions. The first one is Treasure Trading Station and the latter is the one with the Section 31 Vulcan who "defects" to the RSE and Tal Shiar.

So yeah, its removal is completely justified. Its a mission that retreads ground in other missions that are more relevent.

kojirohellfire

sirboulevard wrote: »

That still happens: In two other missions. The first one is Treasure Trading Station and the latter is the one with the Section 31 Vulcan who "defects" to the RSE and Tal Shiar.

So yeah, its removal is completely justified. Its a mission that retreads ground in other missions that are more relevent.

There isn't a chase in either of those missions, so no it doesn't retread. The first one has scanned ships turn hostile, and the second one has the Vulcan's ship blow up.

sirboulevard

kojirohellfire wrote: »

There isn't a chase in either of those missions, so no it doesn't retread. The first one has scanned ships turn hostile, and the second one has the Vulcan's ship blow up.

The second one has you chasing that vulcan from the start. That is in fact the mission.

bones1970

Did the missions 100's of times to get the kill accolades.
Also the missions have 4 accolades we going to miss after the mission is gone !!.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_War_is_Good_for_Business

kojirohellfire

sirboulevard wrote: »

The second one has you chasing that vulcan from the start. That is in fact the mission.

But it doesn't have you chase chasing her, like trying to keep up with a certain accelerating Ferengi starship.

So you're still wrong.

sirboulevard

kojirohellfire wrote: »

But it doesn't have you chase chasing her, like trying to keep up with a certain accelerating Ferengi starship.

So you're still wrong.

Its still a pointless mission that adds literally nothing to the game except 4 accolades (which is made up for by the dozens of new ones added). I honestly do not care that this mission is removed.


And here's other missions with chases:

Secret Orders: Chase down escaping KDF vessels without Full Impulse due to the Briar Patch.

The Vault: (ENG OPTION) Chase the Comet to enter the Vault

Manhunt (KDF) Chase down Drake through Rura Penthe Prison and a Blizzard

Assimilation: Chase down the Borg ships attempting to capture Undine

Shall I continue? HEck, we have a mission or two where WE'RE being chased. This game is full of chases. Sorry. Retreaded content.

psiameese

Not every episode of any Trek television series necessarily contributed to any overall story arc. If its contribution toward the overall Klingon-Federation war arc is whats brought into question, simply drop it from that story arc. But keep it as an optional mission for the game.

azurianstar

psiameese wrote: »

Not every episode of any Trek television series necessarily contributed to any overall story arc. If its contribution toward the overall Klingon-Federation war arc is whats brought into question, simply drop it from that story arc. But keep it as an optional mission for the game.

My thoughts exactly.

It may not have been directly contributing to the main storyline but did have an interesting aspect to the Federation - Klingon war where we have this disgruntled Andorian Starfleet officer selling out to the Orion Syndicate, who is doing dealings through a Ferengi with Nausicaan mercenaries.


If anything this has great potential in branching off into the Orion Storyline and get insight into what they are up to, and why.

For a long time, we wondered why Orions were in Mine Enemy and threatening even KDF officers. Then we have Orions on Nimbus. Then there is something involving Melani D'ian that never was explained. So what if this was part of a larger scheme of hers?

Why remove content with potential?

adamkafei

sirboulevard wrote: »

Shall I continue? HEck, we have a mission or two where WE'RE being chased. This game is full of chases. Sorry. Retreaded content.

Where are these missions you speak of? I think this would be a cool concept to build an STO mission on... maybe one of our foundry authors could do it...

ursusmorologus

kojirohellfire wrote: »

But it doesn't have you chase chasing her, like trying to keep up with a certain accelerating Ferengi starship.

Its not a chase its a follow. You cant stop the ship from reaching the waypoint, and the mission doesnt progress until you reach the waypont.

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twg042370

If it's just the first step in a massive overhaul in the Federation storyline I'm all for it.

kojirohellfire

sirboulevard wrote: »

Its still a pointless mission that adds literally nothing to the game except 4 accolades (which is made up for by the dozens of new ones added). I honestly do not care that this mission is removed.

There are far more pointless missions in the game than this one. "Researcher Rescue" anyone? "War is Good for Business" was a fun, quirky filler mission that some of us liked. It's not every day you get to apprehend a thieving Ferengi in this game.

And here's other missions with chases:

Secret Orders: Chase down escaping KDF vessels without Full Impulse due to the Briar Patch.

The closest one on your list, since "War is Good for Business" also has to deal with this inhibition after a certain point.

The Vault: (ENG OPTION) Chase the Comet to enter the Vault

If you're an engineer. And comets don't move very fast.

Manhunt (KDF) Chase down Drake through Rura Penthe Prison and a Blizzard

Not even. One, it's on KDF side, so Feds can't do it. Two, you're actually following the jackal mastiff, not Drake, and that's only through the blizzard. The prison itself is a standard dungeon filled with enemies and way points.

Assimilation: Chase down the Borg ships attempting to capture Undine

That isn't particularly challenging either. They don't move very fast.

Shall I continue? HEck, we have a mission or two where WE'RE being chased. This game is full of chases. Sorry. Retreaded content.

Your examples seemed like barrel scrapings to me.

ursusmorologus wrote: »

Its not a chase its a follow. You cant stop the ship from reaching the waypoint, and the mission doesnt progress until you reach the waypont.

I'm aware that you can't actually catch him, but I always thought it was fun to see for how long I could actually keep up with him.

capnkirk4 wrote: »

It's just funny that they'd remove one of these types of missions, instead of one of the innumerable "Go here, kill this many ships, and report back", system patrols. Even if they're optional, they're still monotonous. I won't even mention the "stop the Klinks from butchering the Tribbles" mission, has way less to do with the overall theme of the Fed campaign, than this does.

Precisely... there are loads of "shoot ships in orbit then land on planet, shoot guys there, go back to orbit and shoot more ships" in the Klingon War arc. "War is Good for Business" actually stood out for me because it didn't follow that far more common formula.

marikaoniki1

I damn well hated "War is Good for Business". The first half with the Shi'kar and the three nebula anomalies just frustrated me to no end. It was pretty much entirely padding, and the mission in general made you chase down ships you couldn't stop before the scripted path was finished twice. Maybe if they hadn't intentionally made you have to spend a minute or two near each anomaly, it would've been better, but as is I avoid the mission whenever I can.

leviathan99

azurianstar wrote: »

And that warrants them to remove content from the game, because it doesn't fit with the storyline?

By that logic a ton of things would have to go since they don't conform to the storyline. :rolleyes:

This is the Tribble test forum. Give 'em a list and maybe they can start revamping or removing.

leviathan99

capnkirk4 wrote: »

It's just funny that they'd remove one of these types of missions, instead of one of the innumerable "Go here, kill this many ships, and report back", system patrols. Even if they're optional, they're still monotonous. I won't even mention the "stop the Klinks from butchering the Tribbles" mission, has way less to do with the overall theme of the Fed campaign, than this does.

They did remove these as required and adjust skillpoints so that none of the system patrols are needed for anything.

azurianstar

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

This is the Tribble test forum. Give 'em a list and maybe they can start revamping or removing.

I hate for them to remove more content from the game. :rolleyes:

amosov78

Y'know I'm pretty sure this is the only, or at the very least one of the few, missions where Starfleet players get to engage the Nausicaans on the ground? Since they're revamping the early missions, I hope they'll add them to some of the other story arc related missions, because all we seem to encounter from the KDF are Klingons and Orions.