People are saying that they want the old reps revamped to be more like the new Dyson rep. Which in itself is fine. What I have to say in return though is...be careful what you wish for.
By that I mean, if they revamp all the old reps to be more like Dyson rep, they might go further than just the rep part. We could see changes in the various content, rewards altered, STFs made differently, etc.
I remember when they first introduced the rep system and how they majorly changed the rewards of STFs. There was an outright uproar on these forums since the STFs had much of their dil reward taken out.
Don't misunderstand, I want the old reps changed to be more like Dyson rep as well. All I am saying is that people just need to be careful what they are asking of Cryptic, because they might get it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Buying hypos, and commodities, and assorted other things to use as rep project inputs is a major league PAIN! I could live with it if they reduced mark drops and gave us a token that lets us do the 20 hr project.
Buying hypos, and commodities, and assorted other things to use as rep project inputs is a major league PAIN! I could live with it if they reduced mark drops and gave us a token that lets us do the 20 hr project.
Oh I totally agree.
My point of having this thread isn't so much that the devs won't do that. It's more that, they won't only look at it as 'oh hey, let's change all the old reps to be better and more convenient for people', instead they would look at it like 'let's change all the old reps to be better for people, and also equalize the rewards of most or all content at that level'.
Or in short, they'd change the old reps, but in return, there could be some major changes to rewards and how things are run. And they last time they tried that back in season 7...players didn't like that.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to use scare tactics here and be like 'rawr! The evil devs are going to nerf all your STF rewards to be pointless and make you grind 10 times more! Rawr! Follow my word because I'm scaring you enough to get mad at the devs! Rawr', or anything. Honestly it's more a cautionary message that while asking for the old reps to be updated is not a bad thing, but we should just keep in mind that the devs might go all the way about it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
My point of having this thread isn't so much that the devs won't do that. It's more that, they won't only look at it as 'oh hey, let's change all the old reps to be better and more convenient for people', instead they would look at it like 'let's change all the old reps to be better for people, and also equalize the rewards of most or all content at that level'.
Or in short, they'd change the old reps, but in return, there could be some major changes to rewards and how things are run. And they last time they tried that back in season 7...players didn't like that.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to use scare tactics here and be like 'rawr! The evil devs are going to nerf all your STF rewards to be pointless and make you grind 10 times more! Rawr! Follow my word because I'm scaring you enough to get mad at the devs! Rawr', or anything. Honestly it's more a cautionary message that while asking for the old reps to be updated is not a bad thing, but we should just keep in mind that the devs might go all the way about it.
I understand that, though I think the project costs could balance it out.
But on the other hand, a happy customer is a spending customer. If the old 3 reps were made easier, some people may take the time to make new alts. And buy things like character slots, new ships, and such for these alts.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
oh for that brief period you could sell hypos on the exchange for 4x the amount they cost from npc sellers:D certainly made the grind on the first reps easier when they first came out.
but kinda proves the point of how annoying the rep grind was, and how these systems are related to the idea of being money sinks to draw off the excess currency built up by established player characters.
only way i can think of to stop market saturation is to make installed gear perishable. in sto, having gear 'break' causing it to drop to the level of common gear, needing dil to repair or requiring replacements to be perchased from the market.
this could also be a way to revitalise the crafting system, since that could then be a way for hybrid weapons to by created for sale.
I do not know on this one. It took me a year and a half to get good gear on one ship for one AV. If they made it all break like it did in SW Galaxies I would probably walk away from my life time subscription and stop paying to get things here as they all become $50 sandwiches instead of something to keep.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Buying hypos, and commodities, and assorted other things to use as rep project inputs is a major league PAIN! I could live with it if they reduced mark drops and gave us a token that lets us do the 20 hr project.
It's similar to what is done when crafting, and really, venders are everywhere. How much of a pain can it really be?
There are (at least) two subject areas here--one is rep progression, the other is obtaining the marks to feed the progression. Changing the other reps' progression to be similar to Dyson rep is not hard, that's just dialog boxes. Changing the way that marks (and commendations?) are awarded is the hard part since it means revisiting maps and missions. We already have adventure zones for those reps, but they are not setup the same way, and would have to be redone.
I do not know on this one. It took me a year and a half to get good gear on one ship for one AV. If they made it all break like it did in SW Galaxies I would probably walk away from my life time subscription and stop paying to get things here as they all become $50 sandwiches instead of something to keep.
Agreed, gear should not break or get downgraded.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Do not ask for gear that is breakable. Are you insane. If you want to spend your life repairing gear that breaks or downgrades you can go play farmville and be bored with that.
I agree with this.
Consider also that most F2Pers don't have the hoards of EC and DIL us old guys do (*cough almost 2 mil unrefined DIL cough*). The Dyson system makes it easier to get DIL, yes. But there are SO MANY sinks to lose it in. Making gear yet another one isn't going to help anyone. If anything it will lead to mass rage quitting and PWE will lose money. When they lose money, we suffer. Well, we don't get what we paid for and whatnot. I think you see my point.
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I didn't mention anything about 'breakable gear' or anything else, Skollulfr did. My original post was a cautionary note about people asking the devs to make the old reps like the new one, and that they may go all the way with it, in ways that folks might not necessarily like, yet the devs would be going with what the players asked for.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I've played games with breakable gear. Typically you can repair it. But it's not cheap. I've heard of people in Diablo 2 running out of gold simply because their repair costs were so high. I had the same issue in DCUO myself. I LIKE the fact that STO doesn't have it.
Back to the subject- I think they clearly believe that the current Elite STFs reward too many marks. Any change to Omega rep is surely going to rescale those rewards. Or rescale the STFs, but that would be more work for them.
Eh, the game changes and we adapt. Frankly I hope they recombine the ground and space STFs and restore the story element. I ain't afraid o' no tac drones. That would force everyone who wants Omarks to step it up.
Back to the subject- I think they clearly believe that the current Elite STFs reward too many marks. Any change to Omega rep is surely going to rescale those rewards. Or rescale the STFs, but that would be more work for them.
Eh, the game changes and we adapt. Frankly I hope they recombine the ground and space STFs and restore the story element. I ain't afraid o' no tac drones. That would force everyone who wants Omarks to step it up.
Personally, nowadays, I would have no problem with that. Back when they did that with reps when it first came out, dil gathering options were still somewhat limited, now though, we have WAY more options. Like I said, my thread here is a cautionary note to let folks understand that they most likely would do exactly that.
I'd also love the original STFs returned, but I do wonder if with all the power creep and such, if they would still be of any actual difficulty anymore. Think of ALL the stuff they've added since then. I guess the only way we'd know is if they did put em in.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Redo the old reps to dyson rep 'standard'? I certainly hope not! Since s8 went live (for me it was only 3 or 4 days ago as I had a crash-on-client-startup bug) I have had no end of trouble with the rep system. Things like "projects not appearing for me to slot them" or "projects freezing in place". The cancel button and the unselect next project button both seem to be broken as well. I don't know what has happened, but something has gone rather astray with the s8 update.
Also, I'd much rather run a few borg stfs than the damned battlezone (dinos UGH) or the sphere as a whole. I do however, like the cut backs made on the variety of resources required for a project. It simplifies things immensely if you only need "marks, ec and skill points" . To be brutally honest, that one thing is all I like about s8 or the new rep.
Well they could add the commendation daily for completing elite events to the other reps without changing their other rewards. Romulan rep would also need elite versions of their events though.
I'd also love the original STFs returned, but I do wonder if with all the power creep and such, if they would still be of any actual difficulty anymore. Think of ALL the stuff they've added since then. I guess the only way we'd know is if they did put em in.
At least mixing ground and space back together would force players to remain conscious through STFs. I swear I nodded off during ISE once and nobody noticed.
At least mixing ground and space back together would force players to remain conscious through STFs. I swear I nodded off during ISE once and nobody noticed.
No. Just dont.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
The biggest thing I'd like to see is the addition of warp/singularity cores to the old sets. I have no doubt Cryptic has this one their to-do list since the newest space set is 4 pieces.
The Elite STFs also need to be upped in difficulty to keep up with the power creep. Infected especially is a joke now, we don't even need to abide by the 10% rule anymore because people can blow through it so quickly.
So far I've done all 3 of the Reps. I'm not done with the Sphere one yet. But what I know, the Sphere seems easier. Since I don't have to spend a ton of EC for items to donate. However the Romulan one wasn't bad either. Since I was breaking even or getting a small EC profit. Cause you did find items dropped that was value. To me that was reasonable. Lastly the Nukura one, that one is a real pain. You spend a ton of EC for the items to donate, and you don't even get loot to make up for it. So I basically was loosing my rear on it. That is why I only did 2 tiers of it for some of the new stats. Plus another failure on Nukura was no cut scenes to advance the story. Which gave me a sense why keep going?
Since this was their first round of this different version. It makes a good test for a better system later. So it will keep players busy until new stuff comes out, and won't bore you death. Or discourage taking an alt through it.
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People are saying that they want the old reps revamped to be more like the new Dyson rep. Which in itself is fine. What I have to say in return though is...be careful what you wish for.
By that I mean, if they revamp all the old reps to be more like Dyson rep, they might go further than just the rep part. We could see changes in the various content, rewards altered, STFs made differently, etc.
I remember when they first introduced the rep system and how they majorly changed the rewards of STFs. There was an outright uproar on these forums since the STFs had much of their dil reward taken out.
Don't misunderstand, I want the old reps changed to be more like Dyson rep as well. All I am saying is that people just need to be careful what they are asking of Cryptic, because they might get it.
no it is not they need a revamp one thing i would like to see is all store items be added to tier claims
and replace devices for EC that is all that needs to be done
my box score is
1 toon done in a month with token
on 2nd one and finishing 2 others next week
as for dyson I am waiting till i hit 5 before i start others
i want the ground set not burning myself out to get it
i have 2 ground set so far and 3 of the space set i will be 5 next week just doing commadations
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Oh I totally agree.
My point of having this thread isn't so much that the devs won't do that. It's more that, they won't only look at it as 'oh hey, let's change all the old reps to be better and more convenient for people', instead they would look at it like 'let's change all the old reps to be better for people, and also equalize the rewards of most or all content at that level'.
Or in short, they'd change the old reps, but in return, there could be some major changes to rewards and how things are run. And they last time they tried that back in season 7...players didn't like that.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to use scare tactics here and be like 'rawr! The evil devs are going to nerf all your STF rewards to be pointless and make you grind 10 times more! Rawr! Follow my word because I'm scaring you enough to get mad at the devs! Rawr', or anything. Honestly it's more a cautionary message that while asking for the old reps to be updated is not a bad thing, but we should just keep in mind that the devs might go all the way about it.
Just saying running the battlezone for awhile is more fun than running the same stfs over and over again for marks.
Seriously Khitomer is safe, i found the Cure, ad rescued the dummies that let borg build a transwarp right in top of them in Infected.
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I understand that, though I think the project costs could balance it out.
But on the other hand, a happy customer is a spending customer. If the old 3 reps were made easier, some people may take the time to make new alts. And buy things like character slots, new ships, and such for these alts.
I do not know on this one. It took me a year and a half to get good gear on one ship for one AV. If they made it all break like it did in SW Galaxies I would probably walk away from my life time subscription and stop paying to get things here as they all become $50 sandwiches instead of something to keep.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
It's similar to what is done when crafting, and really, venders are everywhere. How much of a pain can it really be?
thats the thing. i dont want to go everywhere to fill daily rep commodities.
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Agreed, gear should not break or get downgraded.
I agree with this.
Consider also that most F2Pers don't have the hoards of EC and DIL us old guys do (*cough almost 2 mil unrefined DIL cough*). The Dyson system makes it easier to get DIL, yes. But there are SO MANY sinks to lose it in. Making gear yet another one isn't going to help anyone. If anything it will lead to mass rage quitting and PWE will lose money. When they lose money, we suffer. Well, we don't get what we paid for and whatnot. I think you see my point.
I didn't mention anything about 'breakable gear' or anything else, Skollulfr did. My original post was a cautionary note about people asking the devs to make the old reps like the new one, and that they may go all the way with it, in ways that folks might not necessarily like, yet the devs would be going with what the players asked for.
Just a caution, that is all.
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Eh, the game changes and we adapt. Frankly I hope they recombine the ground and space STFs and restore the story element. I ain't afraid o' no tac drones. That would force everyone who wants Omarks to step it up.
Personally, nowadays, I would have no problem with that. Back when they did that with reps when it first came out, dil gathering options were still somewhat limited, now though, we have WAY more options. Like I said, my thread here is a cautionary note to let folks understand that they most likely would do exactly that.
I'd also love the original STFs returned, but I do wonder if with all the power creep and such, if they would still be of any actual difficulty anymore. Think of ALL the stuff they've added since then. I guess the only way we'd know is if they did put em in.
Also, I'd much rather run a few borg stfs than the damned battlezone (dinos UGH) or the sphere as a whole. I do however, like the cut backs made on the variety of resources required for a project. It simplifies things immensely if you only need "marks, ec and skill points" . To be brutally honest, that one thing is all I like about s8 or the new rep.
At least mixing ground and space back together would force players to remain conscious through STFs. I swear I nodded off during ISE once and nobody noticed.
No. Just dont.
You want this game to be as dumb as it can, don't you?
The Elite STFs also need to be upped in difficulty to keep up with the power creep. Infected especially is a joke now, we don't even need to abide by the 10% rule anymore because people can blow through it so quickly.
The reason the STFs are as they are now is because people were not running them because they were too long.
Since this was their first round of this different version. It makes a good test for a better system later. So it will keep players busy until new stuff comes out, and won't bore you death. Or discourage taking an alt through it.
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no it is not they need a revamp one thing i would like to see is all store items be added to tier claims
and replace devices for EC that is all that needs to be done
1 toon done in a month with token
on 2nd one and finishing 2 others next week
as for dyson I am waiting till i hit 5 before i start others
i want the ground set not burning myself out to get it
i have 2 ground set so far and 3 of the space set i will be 5 next week just doing commadations