Constellation Class -> Picard Man.

macronius

Yes it is time again to bring up this fine looking ship again. It should be a heavy destroyer class with cmdr & lt tac + ltc engineer + lt science + universal ensign. Turn rate should be 13 and 35000 hull, 1.00 shields. 3 engineering 2 science and 4 tac for the retrofit version. 3-3-4 for the fleet version with 1.05 shields and 38.5K hulll.

Add in the Picard maneveour and it will sell for sure.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constellation_class_model

kjwashington

Put it in the C-store with equivalent stats to the fleet heavy cruiser variants. Make the Picard Maneuver it's console.

captainbmoney

Frack just being a skin to the heavy cruiser. it needs to be its own ship.

lexusk19

Im so happy they want to bring this ship into game. ^^ I actually want this at endgame more than I want the Connie. hehe Constellation class for the win!

starkaos

It is an old ship and was already outdated when Picard got command of his ship. It was relegated to transport duty during TNG and it is doubtful that there are any in service in the 25th Century. Although, since it is Picard's ship, then it should be available as a Tier 1 ship.

macronius

True, it was an old ship but the excelsior is even older. We need more canon ships and more roles other than cruiser and escort and god forbid carrier.

starkaos

macronius wrote: »

True, it was an old ship but the excelsior is even older. We need more canon ships and more roles other than cruiser and escort and god forbid carrier.

Major difference between the Constellation and the Excelsior. The Excelsior saw more fight in the Dominion War and a Excelsior refit was involved in an inconclusive fight against the Defiant. The fight was to hinder, then destroy the Defiant. It wouldn't have been sent if it was seriously outmatched. So the Excelsior has a better design than the Constellation.

macronius

starkaos wrote: »

Major difference between the Constellation and the Excelsior. The Excelsior saw more fight in the Dominion War and a Excelsior refit was involved in an inconclusive fight against the Defiant. The fight was to hinder, then destroy the Defiant. It wouldn't have been sent if it was seriously outmatched. So the Excelsior has a better design than the Constellation.

I won't argue that Excelsior is a better ship. But we need more canon ships in this game. If we can have some of the weird lock box vessels ... there is no reason Cryptic can't decide to bring a retrofit version of constellation.

azniadeet

Make it an ensign level ship on par with the Oberth, Constitution or NX class; but make it so the Picard Maneuver console can follow you up to better ships.

iconians

"an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams"

Something something 2409-era technology...something something Starfleet Corps. of Engineers taking up the challenge... something something Starfleet updates them to meet the need for new ships...

Book it, done. Drop my check in my zen account, Cryptic.

Agree with the Picard Maneuver console too.

lexusk19

The Constellation is almost the size of a Galaxy class and an outdated Stargazer was a match for the Enterprise D as we saw in TNG. Also Riker was scoring good hits on the D in a training exercise.

The ship should be made Lt Commander and then have a refit version at lvl 50. Maby have the original skin and a 2409 version skin.

azurianstar

Well we know from Geko's interview that the Constellation is on the top of the list of ships.

Most likely, I'm expecting her to be a Tier 2 Science Cruiser, similar to the Ambassador. Where it will be:

Ensign Tactical
LT Engineering
Ensign Engineering
LT Science

With console layout of 1 Tac 2 Eng 2 Sci.


That said, I really don't want to see a retrofit at Tier 5 since this ship supposed to have been retired and technically would be out of place in the war. And since she would be like a low-level Ambassador, there really is no place for her anyhow.

lexusk19 wrote: »

The Constellation is almost the size of a Galaxy class and an outdated Stargazer was a match for the Enterprise D as we saw in TNG. Also Riker was scoring good hits on the D in a training exercise.

The ship should be made Lt Commander and then have a refit version at lvl 50. Maby have the original skin and a 2409 version skin.

No the Consellation was 1/2 the size of the Galaxy. And the Stargazer was winning due to some cheats ths to Worf and Wesley.

iconians

azurianstar wrote: »

That said, I really don't want to see a retrofit at Tier 5 since this ship supposed to have been retired and technically would be out of place in the war. And since she would be like a low-level Ambassador, there really is no place for her anyhow.

I'm personally of the opinion (and always have been) that anyone should be able to play any ship they desire at the level cap. That includes ships like the Connie, Constellation, Oberth, Miranda, etc.

I know a lot of people disagree with me, but that's always going to be my position. I may not fly those ships at end game, but I want other players who like them to be able to make it viable when they hit 50.

azurianstar

iconians wrote: »

I'm personally of the opinion (and always have been) that anyone should be able to play any ship they desire at the level cap. That includes ships like the Connie, Constellation, Oberth, Miranda, etc.

I know a lot of people disagree with me, but that's always going to be my position. I may not fly those ships at end game, but I want other players who like them to be able to make it viable when they hit 50.

I agree and I disagree.

I agree that players should fly whatever they want, and Cryptic's explanation of recommissioning old starships because of the state of emergency in the Federation. But I could see players in a civilian faction flying old retired ships as merchant vessels.

It's almost to the point Cryptic might as well revise the ship system where you upgrade your perfered ship as you level up.

lexusk19

azurianstar wrote: »

I agree and I disagree.

I agree that players should fly whatever they want, and Cryptic's explanation of recommissioning old starships because of the state of emergency in the Federation. But I could see players in a civilian faction flying old retired ships as merchant vessels.

It's almost to the point Cryptic might as well revise the ship system where you upgrade your perfered ship as you level up.

We already have the NX and TOS connie in the game, is it that hard to believe that thay would use an even newer design? But anyways, I am of the same opinion as the above. We should be able to fly whatever we want. I mean, just look at the Lobi store... :S

azurianstar

lexusk19 wrote: »

We already have the NX and TOS connie in the game, is it that hard to believe that thay would use an even newer design? But anyways, I am of the same opinion as the above. We should be able to fly whatever we want. I mean, just look at the Lobi store... :S

And you don't see those ships at end game, that's my point.

starkaos

iconians wrote: »

I'm personally of the opinion (and always have been) that anyone should be able to play any ship they desire at the level cap. That includes ships like the Connie, Constellation, Oberth, Miranda, etc.

I know a lot of people disagree with me, but that's always going to be my position. I may not fly those ships at end game, but I want other players who like them to be able to make it viable when they hit 50.

If that is the case, then I want a Tier 5 Phoenix. There is nothing more fun than piloting a ship that was a former nuclear missile.

angrytarg

macronius wrote: »

Yes it is time again to bring up this fine looking ship again. It should be a heavy destroyer class with cmdr & lt tac + ltc engineer + lt science + universal ensign. Turn rate should be 13 and 35000 hull, 1.00 shields. 3 engineering 2 science and 4 tac for the retrofit version. 3-3-4 for the fleet version with 1.05 shields and 38.5K hulll.

Add in the Picard maneveour and it will sell for sure.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constellation_class_model

Commander tac for the Constellation?

The ship was designed to replace the Constitution in all it's functions and was mainly employed for patrol and deep space science (recon) duty. So it would be, in-game, at best a small Ambassador. Though it would most likely be perfect as a skin for the Cheyenne which is it's 24th century upgrade.

It's dimension fit, it's just about the size of a Miranda, maybe a bit larger (Someone compared it to the Galaxy? Lol). If it would be a new ship however, it wouldn't be surprising if it would actually be better than the Cheyenne or a lot of other ships. In a game where the Excelsior rules all Cruisers of the 24th and 25th cenutry... XD

iconians

azurianstar wrote: »

And you don't see those ships at end game, that's my point.

I know it has to do with CBS Studios intervening, which while I disagree with them -- it's not my place to tell them what they can or can't do with their own property. In the same way it's noone else's business to tell me what color to paint my house, and if my house isn't painted a certain color then that means I hate my house.

I think the flavor text for the NX-01 in the C-store is something that should be taken into account when it comes to refitting these ships for T5. The Starfleet Corps. of Engineers are always looking for a challenge and it's entirely plausible they'd refit such underpowered, and undergunned obsolete ships simply because they can. As a monument to how far technology has advanced and to honor and respect the ships of the past.

In the case of making them ready for T5 duty, I think it'd be better to simply offer an 'upgraded' design (like the Exeter in the Connie's case) with the 'original' skins as an option.

Again, this is a dead horse that's barely recognizable as an equine lifeform -- but when it comes to the Constellation I still hold the same position. I know the Stargazer-class was built to honor Picard's ship, so I think a T5 Constellation should be similarly built around the Fleet Heavy Cruiser.

hawke89305092

As far as I can tell there's no reason not to add this to the lineup at T5. We have lots of older ships and ships of comparable age already in said tier, and first and foremost, this game is about Star Trek (although some might disagree). People should be able to use the ships they saw on the TV shows, including this one.

And personally, I'd much rather see someone flying a ship that makes me go "Ah! It's a Constellation class!" than "What is that random alien ship sitting over ESD?", but that's just me :P.

angrytarg

hawke89305092 wrote: »

As far as I can tell there's no reason not to add this to the lineup at T5. We have lots of older ships and ships of comparable age already in said tier, and first and foremost, this game is about Star Trek (although some might disagree). People should be able to use the ships they saw on the TV shows, including this one.

And personally, I'd much rather see someone flying a ship that makes me go "Ah! It's a Constellation class!" than "What is that random alien ship sitting over ESD?", but that's just me :P.

I agree People can do end-game ground content with TOS phasers and uniforms, why not in "old" ships? STO lost it's "credibility" long ago

azurianstar

iconians wrote: »

I know it has to do with CBS Studios intervening, which while I disagree with them -- it's not my place to tell them what they can or can't do with their own property. In the same way it's noone else's business to tell me what color to paint my house, and if my house isn't painted a certain color then that means I hate my house.

I think the flavor text for the NX-01 in the C-store is something that should be taken into account when it comes to refitting these ships for T5. The Starfleet Corps. of Engineers are always looking for a challenge and it's entirely plausible they'd refit such underpowered, and undergunned obsolete ships simply because they can. As a monument to how far technology has advanced and to honor and respect the ships of the past.

In the case of making them ready for T5 duty, I think it'd be better to simply offer an 'upgraded' design (like the Exeter in the Connie's case) with the 'original' skins as an option.

Again, this is a dead horse that's barely recognizable as an equine lifeform -- but when it comes to the Constellation I still hold the same position. I know the Stargazer-class was built to honor Picard's ship, so I think a T5 Constellation should be similarly built around the Fleet Heavy Cruiser.

Well remember the Utopia is just a new ship that just happens to be an exact replica as the NX and not an actual NX. And that's the same argument the T5 Constitution guys have been arguing. Then that opens a new can of worms for the Tier 5 Miranda and Consitution players, that would want them into Tier 5.

Then Cryptic would have to go back and redo a ton of things to make these older ships not be as good as the new ships.

So in the end, is this really a Star Trek MMO or has STO finally became a Star Trek themepark?

meedacthunist

With K'Tinga/D7 and B'rel being already in Tier 5? No talking about some models being outdated is relevant anymore.

angrytarg

azurianstar wrote: »

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So in the end, is this really a Star Trek MMO or has STO finally became a Star Trek themepark?

It was designed as a theme park in the first place. Can't make money if you don't offer every single little bit ever shown on-screen to get people hooked up.

If Cryptic would have set a fixed time period (TOS MMO? Awesome. TMP/WoK MMO? Relive the actual Fed-Kling war? Neat. TNG MMO? Explore strange new worlds? I'm in. 25th century AGT MMO? Off to new shores, could be exciting. STO. Chaotic theme park that tries to please everyone and ends up pleasing no one...) we could have a way more original and thought out gaming experience as many "continuity" and balancing problems wouldn't occur, plus the visuals would be a lot less chaotic. But that was never an option due to snowflake-ism

hawke89305092

meedacthunist wrote: »

With K'Tinga/D7 and B'rel being already in Tier 5? No talking about some models being outdated is relevant anymore.

Even better are the D'Kyr, T'Varo and Somraw. No less than three species have access to their 250 year old ENT era ships at T5!

captainrevo1

I'm not saying the stargazer should not be in the game, but man that is an ugly ship.

saekiith

Oh dear god NO!

While I actually love the Constellation Class (I even got the Inner Space Playset back then!) I must again protest against any further Themeparking!

We are in 2409 for god's sake!

The Federation and Klingon Ship Lineup should reflect the fact that it is the beginning of the 25th Century!
Yes I took out the Romulans as they are a fresh state... but even they shouldn't fly 22nd Century Ships... some older Ships... not that old.

angrytarg

saekiith wrote: »

Oh dear god NO!

While I actually love the Constellation Class (I even got the Inner Space Playset back then!) I must again protest against any further Themeparking!

We are in 2409 for god's sake!

The Federation and Klingon Ship Lineup should reflect the fact that it is the beginning of the 25th Century!
Yes I took out the Romulans as they are a fresh state... but even they shouldn't fly 22nd Century Ships... some older Ships... not that old.

Again, that ship sailed long ago. Cryptic shredded that opportunity the moment they offered TOS cosmetic content or the first T5 retrofit of older ship classes. Now lets just have people play their 23rd century starships. Like another poster said, I prefer that to some weird alien lockbox ships Cryptic makes up.

iconians

STO was conceived as an MMO under Zink. However, once Dstahl took over it became clear that STO would never succeed if the course was set on Star Trek Generic MMO Online(tm). It was Dstahl who more or less cemented the fact that at the beginning there was little "Star Trek" in Star Trek Online. Certainly not as much as there is now.

The Stahl Doctrine more or less states that STO is supposed to appeal to every Star Trek fan. This doesn't mean excluding some in favor of the other (keeping in mind this is the 2409-era, which was the charter time period given by CBS). But there is supposed to be a little bit of everything for everyone. Whether it be the campy TOS era or the poorly written Enterprise era.

STO isn't supposed to be the best MMO ever. It's supposed to be the best Star Trek game ever. While some might say it falls short of that, I'll say that that is what it strives for. Because since the Stahl Doctrine we've seen far more Star Trek in this MMO than at launch. We've seen far more everything since launch.

That means that seems to be a Star Trek themepark. And honestly, I don't see anything bad about that. I may not like certain aspects of Star Trek, but there are those who do. And as said before, this is Star Trek Online. Not Voyager Online, WoK Online, or what have you. It's a broad stroke to combine every element of Star Trek in one package.

meedacthunist

While those od designs are certainly out of STO timeframe, they are better to look at than new Cryptic designs.

For example, I wonder exactly when Elachi started to buy at Kuat Drive Yards? :rolleyes:

As pretty as Cryptic designs are, their ships are more like generic space opera desigs.

mirrorchaos

you can have your picard maneuver, il just have two tractor beams ready to target and engaged on the shadow and real one, then i will alter the tractor beam frequency to force your ship to miss 50% of it's phaser fire and then i will order that old space junk the death it deserves, to be carved in 60,000 pieces by phasers.