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Ha?apax Advanced Warbird underpowered
akodawindstrider
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I play a lvl 50 romulan engineer and i dont know if its just me or is the Ha?apax Advanced Warbird severely underpowered? compared to the new carriers even with anti-proton weapons my ship still can't hold a candle stick. i seem to die fast and not push out much fire power. The only way i can seem to survive is to raise shield power to full lvls. I also have the original romulan Boffs with an added romulan ensign tactical officer. am i not doing something right?
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http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=harkoff1_0
What are you doing with it that it can't survive? as long as its not pvp the ship should develop to a solid level.
Things that really helped mine
The zero-point console and rom torp for the extra plasma damage, this was a noticeable improvement. Much later added the experimental beam that has a special fire mode and saves power.
Kinetic beam - everyone uses it because its great
Rom plasma beams, expensive but adding them one at a time over time.
Maco shield from borg rep system, very nice shield which adds power when fired upon. Prior to that had best high cap exchange shield I could find/afford.
Fleet singularity, this really helped get those power levels up, elite fleet even better but I don't have access.
Borg assimilated console - long standing essential adds power, crit and severity
Nukara consoles, extra power and beam accuracy, it is a beam ship after all.
Jemmy engine from the mission in which you go to the gamma quadrant in a shuttle - adds weapon power, speed and turning
Really good deflector from the exchange.
When I skilled my captain I did mostly space skills and there went for combat/survival ones not science, sounds obvious but on my first captain I balanced a bit here and there and had to respec to max space later. In rep system I mostly went for defensive skills.
Went for doffs that help keep ship alive, plus the torp doff, gradually improved them to purples as ec allowed.
Each improvement was a step up with the accumulated effect being big.
My ship as it is can solos cubes in elite stf and generally stay alive and contribute, it can't possibly match the firepower of specced for dps monster scimitars, jem carriers etc or move as well as a science ship.
Deflector to shield. Get better stuff over time. You can replay missions that drop nice engines, deflectors and shields and browse the exchange.
Beams choose a type and then get good ones and later really good ones, boost with the correct tac consoles. Green mk11 gear is very cheap
Engineer consoles - get some armour, get turn boost from engines and drop the rcs, attack with broadsides and use evasive maneuvers for quick turns, accept that frontal attacks like an escort aren't what the Ha'apax does.
Science console - shield emitters or the mk 11 blue dil shop one for shield cap, later these might be moved for fancy consoles. Science consoles that boost science skills aren't much use for this ship, the Ha'apax needs to stay alive and shoot not mess around with science abilities.
Tac consoles - total mess, choose a beam type and get decent ones, again green 11s are usually pretty cheap. Green mk 11 beam consoles +24.4%, do 3 of the same and with matching beams. The 26-30% consoles get insanely pricey.
Best gear comes from: rep system, fleet system, pay for Cstore ships and dumb luck drops/missions/exchange bargains.
Use your Sing abilities as needed, sometimes, saving your charge for a few seconds and then doing a jump, or absorption mode, is better than firing it off just because it's at full charge, Alos, you have a battle cloak. Use it. If you can time your cloaking right, you can use it as a "get out of dodge" card. And that lets you re-engage when YOU feel like, not just continuously getting beaten on.
Also, as someone else said, use your evasive skill as needed. It can also be your second hail-mary if you're getting overwhelmed. And accept that you're NOT going to do as much damage as an escort, or a tac in that same ship. As an eng, you're skill tree is setup more to help you survive, than to destroy. But a boff skill worth having on that ship, is also Attack Pattern Omega. (granted, it's over-powered with all that it does for you), but might as well make use of it since it's there. even AP:O 1 will help greatly.
Haven't used the C-Store or fleet variants yet (or the MU one, although I do HAVE one, that I've been building up). The MU may be worth looking into for you, it would have a slightly different console/boff layout that may be more conducive to you.
Good luck, and have fun!
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Second.. go buy a plasmonic leech console (about 10 million ec if fed or a 1000 point z store ship if klink)
Thrid.. profit from having higher power levels in every system after a few seconds of combat........
However, your gears are too weak, try this:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=haapex123_0
DOFFS:
3 - Conn Officers [Blue]
2 - Projectile Weapons Officers [Blue]
I'd suggest
2 - Conn Officers [Purple] but each one costs about 5-6 KK EC (for KDF, don't know for FED).
3 - Projectile Weapons Officers [Purple] but each one costs 2-3KK EC.
you can easily find all the gears and Doffs in the exchange (except for the Breen Cluster and Harg'Peng Torpedoes that are mission rewards).
you can get the BOFFs skills from the Officer Trainers.
good luck
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Plasmonic Leech console is actually up to ~ 17 or 18 million now, but that difference really doesn't affect your point at all.
The point is that it's totally out of reach for people who haven't bought the raised EC cap, instead of mostly out of reach.
you should "bite the bullet" and decide if you want to do aux2bat setup.
i assume that you don't have those doffs atm and need some help right away.
"minimum tank" is 2 tac teams, 2 ept2shield, 2 aux2struc, hazard emitters, transfer shield strength.
what you have -
no tac teams at all, means your hull will be exposed quite often.
so put 2 tacteams and FAW 2. forget torpedo skills.
1 ep2sh - means 1/3 of the time you have very weak shields.
boarding party is useless.
aceton beam better be 3 and warp plasma 1, reason is simple, aceton on 3 give -75% damage.
while extend shield is nice to have directed energy modulation is a must for beamboat.
eng team will interfere with tac team, which make it useless.
science team also interfere with tac team. no way to shut off burning effects or borg debuff because no hazard emitters.
then the ship itself.
6 beams of your choice, 2 breen cluster torps.
3 tac consoles for appropriate beam damage.
3 neutronium eng consoles is bare minimum if you want to survive. additional monotanium wont hurt either.
particle generator console is useless.
on your "to do list" for the future:
full borg set, both def and weapon.
valdore and leech console.
have to take issue with this, cruiser commands, raider flanking, and the eventual release of a new mechanic for sci ships are all meant to help out fed/kdf players have a more even playing field with rom charactes singularity abilities that their ship don't have. I tend to ignore them as not to become dependent on them but in a pinch they do help.
Try that build, it is cheap and effective.
@o0kami87: you're right, but cruiser commands are way better than singularity abilities, for many reason.
however it is not a problem: if you don't have cruiser commands, then you have to use some torpedoes to reduce the weapon's power drain
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EC cap is a problem, but we are roms. You can buy 2 of em after selling a bridge officer, so its not out of reach at all. I sold off my excess BOs this week and with a couple that have not sold yet, I still picked up nearly 70M so far. That is after having all SRO on most of my crew, think there is one non-rom BO in my mix on one captain. And almost all your BO candidates will be excess -- you get at least two with SRO from the story, if not 3, so each rom char needs 2 more and the rest are pure gold.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
1. Learn to play with slow turn ships. Use any combination below:
- Better Starship Impulse Engines Skill
- More Engine Power helps
- RCS Accelerator Consoles
- Fleet Dil Mine Consoles that add Turn Rate Bonuses
- Dyson ENG Consoles that can add Turn Rate Bonuses
- Tachyokinetic Converter Console (lobi store)
- ENG Skill Aux To Inertial Dampeners
- ENG Skill Emergency Power to Engines
- If you want a tighter turn, you need to throttle down. Typically 50% or 25%
2. Be clear on what you want the ship to be good at, then focus EVERYTHING, from skills, ship equipment, devices, consoles, weapons, BOFF skills, etc., to support that.
- I noticed on your build, that outside of low level gear, is that it is literally all over the place. The intent of what you want the ship to do is not clear at all.
- Decide on a few certain things for it to be good at, or do reasonably well in, then build around it. It is up to you to decide how specialized or how broad in capability the ship will be. There are tradeoffs the further you go in either direction.
Any ship can perform well. It is up to the player to realize a good build for that ship and to make it work. The Haapax is a good ship but, like every ship in the game, is ideal for a certain style of play. But that doesn't mean you can't be flexible in your builds to fit within the parameters of what the ship can do.
Lastly: Experiment, toy around. Make mistakes, learn from them, and seek pointers. Even with outside help, you still need to toy around and experiment on your own. Only then will you really get a feel of the gameplay and get better. These mistakes you're making now will make you better. Just keep at it. Best to experiment with common or uncommon quality equipment that are cheap. They are still good enough to test your ideas out and not break the bank. Once you really have a grasp of what you're doing and decide on a closer to final build, then you can spend the time and resources for the truly fancier gear. But until then, learn the game and make the mistakes with cheaper, lower quality gear. You'll come out the better for it.
Aux2SIF has a duration of 10s, a 10s same-system cooldown... and a cooldown of 15s. There's almost no point in doubling up on it.