" I don't want Sa'kat to wake up surrounded by dead people without any ears and with cards in their mouths."
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So, fishing for comments here, what do you all think about the latest turn of events with Lisa?
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So, fishing for comments here, what do you all think about the latest turn of events with Lisa?
I was actually hoping she wouldn't survive... I enjoyed her mid-surgery visit from 'Someone' (Gunny Wilson?) but I'm finding Elim a much more intriguing character than Lisa.
Part Two of The Search for Siri will be up in a day or so. It has been hard to write, and I nearly threw in the towel a few days ago. Not because hard to write, just because I lost interest in writing it, but I got back into it yesterday, so am hoping to get more done today :cool:
Excellent stuff :cool: I particularly enjoyed the scene between Alyosha and Rusty :cool:
Thanks...it was interesting for me to write.
I suspect it was pretty eye-opening for Rusty, the "contradictions" in Alyosha from a physical standpoint, to see him go from talking about taking down a Jem'Hadar and throwing a kar'takin hard enough to kill...actually "talking shop" with someone whose telekinesis is almost if not actually up there with an Undine in raw power...to seeing that his muscles, unaided, do not give him enough strength to walk or even a grip more than what a small child can manage.
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I suspect it was pretty eye-opening for Rusty, the "contradictions" in Alyosha from a physical standpoint, to see him go from talking about taking down a Jem'Hadar and throwing a kar'takin hard enough to kill...actually "talking shop" with someone whose telekinesis is almost if not actually up there with an Undine in raw power...to seeing that his muscles, unaided, do not give him enough strength to walk or even a grip more than what a small child can manage.
Indeed, I imagine it was a very unusual moment for him :cool:
Indeed, I imagine it was a very unusual moment for him :cool:
Not too unusual. After all, part of his job entails coaching relatively weak and slow humanoids to use effective techniques in hand-to-hand combat. With a crew as diverse as the Tiburon's, he's used to figuring out what an individual can and can't do and figuring out how to use their strengths most effectively while guarding their weaknesses.
His ideas for Alyosha will probably involve a lot of indirect, non-linear combat.
But after the emotional stress of Grady's memorial, I imagine even an "unusual" moment spent talking shop would be refreshing.
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- Anne Bredon
Not too unusual. After all, part of his job entails coaching relatively weak and slow humanoids to use effective techniques in hand-to-hand combat. With a crew as diverse as the Tiburon's, he's used to figuring out what an individual can and can't do and figuring out how to use their strengths most effectively while guarding their weaknesses.
His ideas for Alyosha will probably involve a lot of indirect, non-linear combat.
But after the emotional stress of Grady's memorial, I imagine even an "unusual" moment spent talking shop would be refreshing.
Oh for sure, I was just referring to the discrepancy between Alyosha's Human appearance, and what his Devidian musculature would actually allow him to do
Oh for sure, I was just referring to the discrepancy between Alyosha's Human appearance, and what his Devidian musculature would actually allow him to do
Yeah, I would imagine that for Rusty, that is an extreme disparity on an order he has never encountered. I can think of only a few instances. The Elaysians are one though judging from their build and comments made on the show that is partly neurological rather than due to muscle mass differences. I seem to recall a few others from TOS but that's it.
With as thin as the Devidians are in game (and I dismiss the Phantasm's extreme size as either simply an in-game mechanic, or as a shapeshifted illusion that does not alter the Devidian's actual mass), I just couldn't imagine that they had that much in the way of physical strength compared to you or me. That things we take for granted in ourselves and other humanoids in-show would not necessarily be a given for them.
After the emotional turmoil from Grady's memorial, I imagine it was a perfect distraction. The craziness of the situation as well as the intellectual challenge would really focus his mind, I bet. Just a week ago, I am sure he would've thought someone was crazy if they told him, "Remember the Devidians? Yeah, the scary neural vampires with Undine-level telekinesis. You'll get to sit down with a nice one, and he'll tell you everything he knows about how it's done." I bet there's still something absolutely surreal about that to him. And maybe he would learn something, too, to have someone who is probably one of Starfleet's most powerful TK users (not counting Undine agents!) giving him insider stuff.
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Yeah, I would imagine that for Rusty, that is an extreme disparity on an order he has never encountered. I can think of only a few instances. The Elaysians are one though judging from their build and comments made on the show that is partly neurological rather than due to muscle mass differences. I seem to recall a few others from TOS but that's it.
With as thin as the Devidians are in game (and I dismiss the Phantasm's extreme size as either simply an in-game mechanic, or as a shapeshifted illusion that does not alter the Devidian's actual mass), I just couldn't imagine that they had that much in the way of physical strength compared to you or me. That things we take for granted in ourselves and other humanoids in-show would not necessarily be a given for them.
After the emotional turmoil from Grady's memorial, I imagine it was a perfect distraction. The craziness of the situation as well as the intellectual challenge would really focus his mind, I bet. Just a week ago, I am sure he would've thought someone was crazy if they told him, "Remember the Devidians? Yeah, the scary neural vampires with Undine-level telekinesis. You'll get to sit down with a nice one, and he'll tell you everything he knows about how it's done." I bet there's still something absolutely surreal about that to him. And maybe he would learn something, too, to have someone who is probably one of Starfleet's most powerful TK users (not counting Undine agents!) giving him insider stuff.
Absolutely, given their biological needs, there really is little reason for them to have physical strength at all, given their extra-dimensional existence, method of locomotion, and method of feeding, they really only need telekinesis, not musculature at all. It was that realisation which made them such a perfect natural predator for the Pentaxians... Sure, a Pentaxian child could probably pull one to pieces, if it was able to get hold of one, but the D'v'ash't'ya's own abilities would be more than enough to keep it safe, so they truly are the ideal predator for such a physically formidable species :cool:
I rationalize their humanoid-like form as being convergent evolution, driven by two factors: one, their telekinesis was not as strong in the past, and two, their shapeshifting is limited, meaning that they need to share some of the underlying substructure with their prey, to move--and have the instincts--to move like them when needed. (Though the infiltrators in Time's Arrow were...not anywhere near Alyosha's skill level at it.) Alyosha does not change mass when he shifts. He is a little light for his apparent build, but the difference is not that extreme. How the mass is allocated is different, and that's why he's well over 6 feet in natural form but only 5'9" in human shape.
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I was hoping to see H'mL'n kick Loeffler's TRIBBLE at some point for going stalker on her, but seeing him go down like a punk for pissing off Hooper is even better Awesome On another note though, I hope Starfleet doesn't decide to pull AI's for 'comparative reviews' and then derez them, as I rather like Claire
I was hoping to see H'mL'n kick Loeffler's TRIBBLE at some point for going stalker on her, but seeing him go down like a punk for pissing off Hooper is even better Awesome On another note though, I hope Starfleet doesn't decide to pull AI's for 'comparative reviews' and then derez them, as I rather like Claire
And here we have an example of why--in addition to not wanting one to fall into True Way or even CDF hands because of Cardassian law and treaty restrictions--the 77th Fleet bans high-order AI. Lower-order, self contained AI like Blaze the Exocomp, or presumably a Soong-type android, is OK but not ship AI. The Cardassians will not even build the latter. High-order AI is a treaty-banned WMD, and lower order...with their history they see a risk of slavery or other involuntary servitude that is unacceptable. The AI ban is probably one of the ONLY things the government and the True Way agree on.
As a note--Claire could enter Cardassian space but would be expected to abide strictly by the rules. If it weren't for the upcoming battle, I don't think the Cardassians would be real happy with the Tiburon in their space after this...
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And here we have an example of why--in addition to not wanting one to fall into True Way or even CDF hands because of Cardassian law and treaty restrictions--the 77th Fleet bans high-order AI. Lower-order, self contained AI like Blaze the Exocomp, or presumably a Soong-type android, is OK but not ship AI. The Cardassians will not even build the latter. High-order AI is a treaty-banned WMD, and lower order...with their history they see a risk of slavery or other involuntary servitude that is unacceptable. The AI ban is probably one of the ONLY things the government and the True Way agree on.
As a note--Claire could enter Cardassian space but would be expected to abide strictly by the rules. If it weren't for the upcoming battle, I don't think the Cardassians would be real happy with the Tiburon in their space after this...
The Pentaxians equally have a cultural aversion to AI technology, and consider it distasteful to create 'thinking machines'...
I imagine that if Claire was to enter Cardassian space, she wouldn't be allowed to use a holoemitter to leave the ship, but would be expected to remain strictly on board?
As a side note, Claire was not the Vanguard's original STS designed AI, but installed following the destruction of the Valkyrie (something I'm keeping in reserve should a future LC call for something drastic...
I was hoping to see H'mL'n kick Loeffler's TRIBBLE at some point for going stalker on her, but seeing him go down like a punk for pissing off Hooper is even better Awesome On another note though, I hope Starfleet doesn't decide to pull AI's for 'comparative reviews' and then derez them, as I rather like Claire
You shouldn't have to worry too much about that, since that would be a crime against sentient life and the Federation doesn't do that sort of thing.
LOL, just getting. We do that sort of **** all the time in STO.
I suppose it depends on how well Hooper covers his tracks, or who catches him if he gets caught.
And here we have an example of why--in addition to not wanting one to fall into True Way or even CDF hands because of Cardassian law and treaty restrictions--the 77th Fleet bans high-order AI. Lower-order, self contained AI like Blaze the Exocomp, or presumably a Soong-type android, is OK but not ship AI. The Cardassians will not even build the latter. High-order AI is a treaty-banned WMD, and lower order...with their history they see a risk of slavery or other involuntary servitude that is unacceptable. The AI ban is probably one of the ONLY things the government and the True Way agree on.
As a note--Claire could enter Cardassian space but would be expected to abide strictly by the rules. If it weren't for the upcoming battle, I don't think the Cardassians would be real happy with the Tiburon in their space after this...
Again, sorta depends on who, if anyone, finds out. Marq would probably turn him in, or at least turn him over to STS to figure out what went wrong. Rusty would definitely want Hooper to be tried as the free-willed sentient he is (at least in this mode.) I suspect Jesu might prefer to leave Hooper as he is now, based on past statements, but I'm not sure what that would look like.
But it should be pointed out that if Hooper hadn't been locked into Dark Zero mode by Cheshire, he would've been physically incapable of killing Loeffler unless he was specifically ordered too. He would also be incapable of covering up his crime.
And if/when he is ever restored from Dark Zero, he will have no memory of anything he did since Cheshire initiated the protocol. And his personality would default to normal, "moral" behavior as defined by the Ten Commandments. In effect, Hooper is suffering from multiple personality affective disorder, and is currently under the control of his "dark" personality, who knows the rules but can choose not to follow them. The choices he makes as he discovers he has the freedom to make them should be rather fascinating. :cool:
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You shouldn't have to worry too much about that, since that would be a crime against sentient life and the Federation doesn't do that sort of thing.
LOL, just getting. We do that sort of **** all the time in STO.
I suppose it depends on how well Hooper covers his tracks, or who catches him if he gets caught.
Again, sorta depends on who, if anyone, finds out. Marq would probably turn him in, or at least turn him over to STS to figure out what went wrong. Rusty would definitely want Hooper to be tried as the free-willed sentient he is (at least in this mode.) I suspect Jesu might prefer to leave Hooper as he is now, based on past statements, but I'm not sure what that would look like.
But it should be pointed out that if Hooper hadn't been locked into Dark Zero mode by Cheshire, he would've been physically incapable of killing Loeffler unless he was specifically ordered too. He would also be incapable of covering up his crime.
And if/when he is ever restored from Dark Zero, he will have no memory of anything he did since Cheshire initiated the protocol. And his personality would default to normal, "moral" behavior as defined by the Ten Commandments. In effect, Hooper is suffering from multiple personality affective disorder, and is currently under the control of his "dark" personality, who knows the rules but can choose not to follow them. The choices he makes as he discovers he has the freedom to make them should be rather fascinating. :cool:
Bruce Maddox would definitely want to yank his chips to figure out what happened, and I can certainly see Marq turning him in (equally, I almost dread what the STS gurus dreamed up as the Vanguard's original AI construct, as the ship was built to operate as a fully autonomous warship should the need arise...) I think a distinction to make is that even if she was in Dark Zero mode, Claire would only have locked down the suit and beamed Loeffler into the brig, rather than playing such a fatal gamble on him to scare the bejesus out of him... That Hooper chose to kill (even if just to scare) is itself scary :cool:
The Pentaxians equally have a cultural aversion to AI technology, and consider it distasteful to create 'thinking machines'...
The Cardassians as I see them do have a problem creating such AI's. That said, I have not gotten an impression that Blaze (the Exocomp NCO on the Chin'toka) would find himseelf mistreated by good Cardassians. The ones who would treat him badly probably treat a lot of organics badly, too.
I imagine that if Claire was to enter Cardassian space, she wouldn't be allowed to use a holoemitter to leave the ship, but would be expected to remain strictly on board?
I would expect so. An AI of such power is inherently a danger, no matter what attempt is made at control mechanisms, that they would not want to turn their backs on.
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The Cardassians as I see them do have a problem creating such AI's. That said, I have not gotten an impression that Blaze (the Exocomp NCO on the Chin'toka) would find himseelf mistreated by good Cardassians. The ones who would treat him badly probably treat a lot of organics badly, too.
So you perceive their stance on AI's as a moral objection like the Pentaxians? (who reject the notion of something artificial taking on lifelike traits) And absolutely, someone who mistreats organic beings poorly, would have no compulsion about treating an artificial lifeform with similar distain
I would expect so. An AI of such power is inherently a danger, no matter what attempt is made at control mechanisms, that they would not want to turn their backs on.
Understandable, after all, artificial lifeforms can be corrupted, re-programmed and otherwise re-purposes away from their original parameters... One option would be to dump the AI core outside Cardassian space, but, that would also bring the ship to a dead stop, as Claire literally is the operating system which makes it all run
So you perceive their stance on AI's as a moral objection like the Pentaxians? (who reject the notion of something artificial taking on lifelike traits) And absolutely, someone who mistreats organic beings poorly, would have no compulsion about treating an artificial lifeform with similar distain
They have two stances governing "small" and "large" AI.
With small AI like Blaze, they would not want to create such life because of laws against slavery and involuntary servitude that were enacted post-Dominion War. Some in the True Way might find utility in it, but the law is intended to prevent the Cardassians from replacing conquered underclasses with a created one. A small AI from another power probably won't have too many issues out of Cardassians that treat organics without regard to race, but may have issues with the same racists that go after non-Cardassian organics.
With large AI, like Hooper or Claire, they are actually classified as WMD given the consequences of one going out of control and the massive amount of control they exhibit over the environment for the organics in the systems they inhabit. As such, Cardassians are forbidden to create them. There is also a cultural aversion since I see Cardassians as wanting control of their environment at all times and a "man in the loop" as a check against automatic decision-making that may not be in their interests. Having a self-aware AI that is so powerful as to really outstrip Cardassian mental capabilities is not something they want because that takes away that control.
For the Oralians there is an additional stricture against this type of AI: it is viewed as dangerous hubris. You could state it as "Thou shalt not create above thy station." In other words, dinna meddle in things beyond your ken (and your remit), as Berat might translate it.
While the CDF will tolerate non-77th starships with such systems, I don't think they like it. Such AI's are expected to do their jobs and keep their metaphorical hands to themselves and not insinuate themselves into Cardassian systems.
Understandable, after all, artificial lifeforms can be corrupted, re-programmed and otherwise re-purposes away from their original parameters... One option would be to dump the AI core outside Cardassian space, but, that would also bring the ship to a dead stop, as Claire literally is the operating system which makes it all run
I don't see the Cardassians wanting to go that far unless there was an incident. In THIS case if they find out about what happened to Loeffler they will be pissed but would place the needs of the upcoming battle ahead of their desire to eject the Tiburon.
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Bruce Maddox would definitely want to yank his chips to figure out what happened, and I can certainly see Marq turning him in (equally, I almost dread what the STS gurus dreamed up as the Vanguard's original AI construct, as the ship was built to operate as a fully autonomous warship should the need arise...) I think a distinction to make is that even if she was in Dark Zero mode, Claire would only have locked down the suit and beamed Loeffler into the brig, rather than playing such a fatal gamble on him to scare the bejesus out of him... That Hooper chose to kill (even if just to scare) is itself scary :cool:
It all really depends on the source material for the personality matrix. Atticus, being based on Atticus Finch from To Kill A Mocking Bird, is level-headed and fair-minded, perhaps too much so for his own good. His personality has obviously evolved over the almost four centuries he's been active, but that still forms his basis.
Hooper, on the other hand, from Peter Benchley's novel Jaws as well as the Spielberg movie, was as smart as he was arrogant, and he went from affable to irascible at the drop of a hat. He's a lot like Jesu LaRoca, in that way. But what makes Hooper scary is the fact that now he has absolutely no moral guidance. That, plus his relative inexperience, his unique personality, and the sort of power he wields, makes for a terrifyingly unpredictable combination.
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They have two stances governing "small" and "large" AI.
With small AI like Blaze, they would not want to create such life because of laws against slavery and involuntary servitude that were enacted post-Dominion War. Some in the True Way might find utility in it, but the law is intended to prevent the Cardassians from replacing conquered underclasses with a created one. A small AI from another power probably won't have too many issues out of Cardassians that treat organics without regard to race, but may have issues with the same racists that go after non-Cardassian organics.
With large AI, like Hooper or Claire, they are actually classified as WMD given the consequences of one going out of control and the massive amount of control they exhibit over the environment for the organics in the systems they inhabit. As such, Cardassians are forbidden to create them. There is also a cultural aversion since I see Cardassians as wanting control of their environment at all times and a "man in the loop" as a check against automatic decision-making that may not be in their interests. Having a self-aware AI that is so powerful as to really outstrip Cardassian mental capabilities is not something they want because that takes away that control.
For the Oralians there is an additional stricture against this type of AI: it is viewed as dangerous hubris. You could state it as "Thou shalt not create above thy station." In other words, dinna meddle in things beyond your ken (and your remit), as Berat might translate it.
While the CDF will tolerate non-77th starships with such systems, I don't think they like it. Such AI's are expected to do their jobs and keep their metaphorical hands to themselves and not insinuate themselves into Cardassian systems.
I don't see the Cardassians wanting to go that far unless there was an incident. In THIS case if they find out about what happened to Loeffler they will be pissed but would place the needs of the upcoming battle ahead of their desire to eject the Tiburon.
That's pretty much the Pentaxian attitude as well...
I would ask why the Cardassians would care what happened to a non-native in their space, but knowing how they are about rules and regulations, that makes sense :cool:
That is one part--that it is a breach of rules and order. The other part is that in a case like this, a threat to a non-native demonstrates a volatility that is also a threat to Cardassians, as they would see it.
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It all really depends on the source material for the personality matrix. Atticus, being based on Atticus Finch from To Kill A Mocking Bird, is level-headed and fair-minded, perhaps too much so for his own good. His personality has obviously evolved over the almost four centuries he's been active, but that still forms his basis.
Hooper, on the other hand, from Peter Benchley's novel Jaws as well as the Spielberg movie, was as smart as he was arrogant, and he went from affable to irascible at the drop of a hat. He's a lot like Jesu LaRoca, in that way. But what makes Hooper scary is the fact that now he has absolutely no moral guidance. That, plus his relative inexperience, his unique personality, and the sort of power he wields, makes for a terrifyingly unpredictable combination.
I liked how in the novel, Mrs Brody wanted to jump Hooper, and decided to 'take care of business' while Brody slept Then again, in the movie, she said "Wanna get drunk an' fool around?" Class lady :cool:
But yeah, that lack of morality is scary, but brilliant. I get the feeling that if the Vanguard's native AI is ever reactivated, things won't go well for the crew :cool: That said, is Hooper a system-controlling AI like Claire, or merely an AI crew member like Mycroft?
That is one part--that it is a breach of rules and order. The other part is that in a case like this, a threat to a non-native demonstrates a volatility that is also a threat to Cardassians, as they would see it.
Ahh, a fear of 'could we be next'... That would certainly fit my thoughts on the Cardassian psyche...
I liked how in the novel, Mrs Brody wanted to jump Hooper, and decided to 'take care of business' while Brody slept Then again, in the movie, she said "Wanna get drunk an' fool around?" Class lady :cool:
But yeah, that lack of morality is scary, but brilliant. I get the feeling that if the Vanguard's native AI is ever reactivated, things won't go well for the crew :cool: That said, is Hooper a system-controlling AI like Claire, or merely an AI crew member like Mycroft?
A little of both. He is the computer interface, and he can fill any number of crew roles as needed.
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A little of both. He is the computer interface, and he can fill any number of crew roles as needed.
Cool :cool: I'm looking forward to how this development... develops :cool: I'm starting to get ideas for the Vanguard's original STS-designed AI, should a future LC raise the topic :cool:
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So, fishing for comments here, what do you all think about the latest turn of events with Lisa?
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I was actually hoping she wouldn't survive... I enjoyed her mid-surgery visit from 'Someone' (Gunny Wilson?) but I'm finding Elim a much more intriguing character than Lisa.
Part Two of The Search for Siri will be up in a day or so. It has been hard to write, and I nearly threw in the towel a few days ago. Not because hard to write, just because I lost interest in writing it, but I got back into it yesterday, so am hoping to get more done today :cool:
Thanks...it was interesting for me to write.
I suspect it was pretty eye-opening for Rusty, the "contradictions" in Alyosha from a physical standpoint, to see him go from talking about taking down a Jem'Hadar and throwing a kar'takin hard enough to kill...actually "talking shop" with someone whose telekinesis is almost if not actually up there with an Undine in raw power...to seeing that his muscles, unaided, do not give him enough strength to walk or even a grip more than what a small child can manage.
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Indeed, I imagine it was a very unusual moment for him :cool:
Not too unusual. After all, part of his job entails coaching relatively weak and slow humanoids to use effective techniques in hand-to-hand combat. With a crew as diverse as the Tiburon's, he's used to figuring out what an individual can and can't do and figuring out how to use their strengths most effectively while guarding their weaknesses.
His ideas for Alyosha will probably involve a lot of indirect, non-linear combat.
But after the emotional stress of Grady's memorial, I imagine even an "unusual" moment spent talking shop would be refreshing.
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Yeah, I would imagine that for Rusty, that is an extreme disparity on an order he has never encountered. I can think of only a few instances. The Elaysians are one though judging from their build and comments made on the show that is partly neurological rather than due to muscle mass differences. I seem to recall a few others from TOS but that's it.
With as thin as the Devidians are in game (and I dismiss the Phantasm's extreme size as either simply an in-game mechanic, or as a shapeshifted illusion that does not alter the Devidian's actual mass), I just couldn't imagine that they had that much in the way of physical strength compared to you or me. That things we take for granted in ourselves and other humanoids in-show would not necessarily be a given for them.
After the emotional turmoil from Grady's memorial, I imagine it was a perfect distraction. The craziness of the situation as well as the intellectual challenge would really focus his mind, I bet. Just a week ago, I am sure he would've thought someone was crazy if they told him, "Remember the Devidians? Yeah, the scary neural vampires with Undine-level telekinesis. You'll get to sit down with a nice one, and he'll tell you everything he knows about how it's done." I bet there's still something absolutely surreal about that to him. And maybe he would learn something, too, to have someone who is probably one of Starfleet's most powerful TK users (not counting Undine agents!) giving him insider stuff.
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And here we have an example of why--in addition to not wanting one to fall into True Way or even CDF hands because of Cardassian law and treaty restrictions--the 77th Fleet bans high-order AI. Lower-order, self contained AI like Blaze the Exocomp, or presumably a Soong-type android, is OK but not ship AI. The Cardassians will not even build the latter. High-order AI is a treaty-banned WMD, and lower order...with their history they see a risk of slavery or other involuntary servitude that is unacceptable. The AI ban is probably one of the ONLY things the government and the True Way agree on.
As a note--Claire could enter Cardassian space but would be expected to abide strictly by the rules. If it weren't for the upcoming battle, I don't think the Cardassians would be real happy with the Tiburon in their space after this...
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The Pentaxians equally have a cultural aversion to AI technology, and consider it distasteful to create 'thinking machines'...
I imagine that if Claire was to enter Cardassian space, she wouldn't be allowed to use a holoemitter to leave the ship, but would be expected to remain strictly on board?
As a side note, Claire was not the Vanguard's original STS designed AI, but installed following the destruction of the Valkyrie (something I'm keeping in reserve should a future LC call for something drastic...
LOL, just getting. We do that sort of **** all the time in STO.
I suppose it depends on how well Hooper covers his tracks, or who catches him if he gets caught.
Again, sorta depends on who, if anyone, finds out. Marq would probably turn him in, or at least turn him over to STS to figure out what went wrong. Rusty would definitely want Hooper to be tried as the free-willed sentient he is (at least in this mode.) I suspect Jesu might prefer to leave Hooper as he is now, based on past statements, but I'm not sure what that would look like.
But it should be pointed out that if Hooper hadn't been locked into Dark Zero mode by Cheshire, he would've been physically incapable of killing Loeffler unless he was specifically ordered too. He would also be incapable of covering up his crime.
And if/when he is ever restored from Dark Zero, he will have no memory of anything he did since Cheshire initiated the protocol. And his personality would default to normal, "moral" behavior as defined by the Ten Commandments. In effect, Hooper is suffering from multiple personality affective disorder, and is currently under the control of his "dark" personality, who knows the rules but can choose not to follow them. The choices he makes as he discovers he has the freedom to make them should be rather fascinating. :cool:
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The Cardassians as I see them do have a problem creating such AI's. That said, I have not gotten an impression that Blaze (the Exocomp NCO on the Chin'toka) would find himseelf mistreated by good Cardassians. The ones who would treat him badly probably treat a lot of organics badly, too.
I would expect so. An AI of such power is inherently a danger, no matter what attempt is made at control mechanisms, that they would not want to turn their backs on.
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So you perceive their stance on AI's as a moral objection like the Pentaxians? (who reject the notion of something artificial taking on lifelike traits) And absolutely, someone who mistreats organic beings poorly, would have no compulsion about treating an artificial lifeform with similar distain
Understandable, after all, artificial lifeforms can be corrupted, re-programmed and otherwise re-purposes away from their original parameters... One option would be to dump the AI core outside Cardassian space, but, that would also bring the ship to a dead stop, as Claire literally is the operating system which makes it all run
They have two stances governing "small" and "large" AI.
With small AI like Blaze, they would not want to create such life because of laws against slavery and involuntary servitude that were enacted post-Dominion War. Some in the True Way might find utility in it, but the law is intended to prevent the Cardassians from replacing conquered underclasses with a created one. A small AI from another power probably won't have too many issues out of Cardassians that treat organics without regard to race, but may have issues with the same racists that go after non-Cardassian organics.
With large AI, like Hooper or Claire, they are actually classified as WMD given the consequences of one going out of control and the massive amount of control they exhibit over the environment for the organics in the systems they inhabit. As such, Cardassians are forbidden to create them. There is also a cultural aversion since I see Cardassians as wanting control of their environment at all times and a "man in the loop" as a check against automatic decision-making that may not be in their interests. Having a self-aware AI that is so powerful as to really outstrip Cardassian mental capabilities is not something they want because that takes away that control.
For the Oralians there is an additional stricture against this type of AI: it is viewed as dangerous hubris. You could state it as "Thou shalt not create above thy station." In other words, dinna meddle in things beyond your ken (and your remit), as Berat might translate it.
While the CDF will tolerate non-77th starships with such systems, I don't think they like it. Such AI's are expected to do their jobs and keep their metaphorical hands to themselves and not insinuate themselves into Cardassian systems.
I don't see the Cardassians wanting to go that far unless there was an incident. In THIS case if they find out about what happened to Loeffler they will be pissed but would place the needs of the upcoming battle ahead of their desire to eject the Tiburon.
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It all really depends on the source material for the personality matrix. Atticus, being based on Atticus Finch from To Kill A Mocking Bird, is level-headed and fair-minded, perhaps too much so for his own good. His personality has obviously evolved over the almost four centuries he's been active, but that still forms his basis.
Hooper, on the other hand, from Peter Benchley's novel Jaws as well as the Spielberg movie, was as smart as he was arrogant, and he went from affable to irascible at the drop of a hat. He's a lot like Jesu LaRoca, in that way. But what makes Hooper scary is the fact that now he has absolutely no moral guidance. That, plus his relative inexperience, his unique personality, and the sort of power he wields, makes for a terrifyingly unpredictable combination.
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I would ask why the Cardassians would care what happened to a non-native in their space, but knowing how they are about rules and regulations, that makes sense :cool:
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I liked how in the novel, Mrs Brody wanted to jump Hooper, and decided to 'take care of business' while Brody slept
But yeah, that lack of morality is scary, but brilliant. I get the feeling that if the Vanguard's native AI is ever reactivated, things won't go well for the crew :cool: That said, is Hooper a system-controlling AI like Claire, or merely an AI crew member like Mycroft?
Ahh, a fear of 'could we be next'... That would certainly fit my thoughts on the Cardassian psyche...
A little of both. He is the computer interface, and he can fill any number of crew roles as needed.
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Cool :cool: I'm looking forward to how this development... develops :cool: I'm starting to get ideas for the Vanguard's original STS-designed AI, should a future LC raise the topic :cool: