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Hey Dev folk you all missed a cruiser.

cpc2011acpc2011a Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Ok, I know it's a science ship but it's still a cruiser. The Nebula class. The ship would have benefited from at the very least Command - Strategic Maneuvering, and/or Command - Weapon System Efficiency.

Yes we know it's got the subsystem commands because it is after all a science ship, but it's also a very cruiser ship that shouldn't have been overlooked. Hopefully this will get passed along to the team and they'll at least think about it?

Thanks :)
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited October 2013
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I disagree, It's just a very meaty science ship - like the Varanus.

    Certainly, the two of them walk a close line, but for gameplay reasons I think it's better that they're classified as science ships. They'll get their secondary deflectors one of these days.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    cpc2011a wrote: »
    because it is after all a science ship


    sorry but you said it yourself.


    /end thread
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'd rather see it get something for Science Vessels. Some kind of ability similar to the Comm Array but with a Science spin.

    Subsystem targeting as implemented is basically useless and not a good excuse to take anything away from science vessels. Sensor analysis is a bit better, but it's really missing that science vibe.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    cpc2011a wrote: »
    Ok, I know it's a science ship but it's still a cruiser. The Nebula class. The ship would have benefited from at the very least Command - Strategic Maneuvering, and/or Command - Weapon System Efficiency.

    Yes we know it's got the subsystem commands because it is after all a science ship, but it's also a very cruiser ship that shouldn't have been overlooked. Hopefully this will get passed along to the team and they'll at least think about it?

    Thanks :)

    Following that logic every escort except the Defiant (Escort) and Steamrunner (Heavy Frigate) should get the commands too. Since they're all cruisers.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,754 Community Moderator
    edited October 2013
    The Nebula NPC may be considered a Cruiser, but the playable Nebula is classified as a Science ship.

    I kinda think Cryptic needs to address the NPC Nebulas at some point. Preferably after they fix the Season 7 Accolade bug.
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited October 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I'd rather see it get something for Science Vessels. Some kind of ability similar to the Comm Array but with a Science spin.

    Subsystem targeting as implemented is basically useless and not a good excuse to take anything away from science vessels. Sensor analysis is a bit better, but it's really missing that science vibe.

    And then the escorts will get one, and the cycle of power creep will be complete!
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,754 Community Moderator
    edited October 2013
    I don't think Escorts will get something. They already can mount dual cannons. The Cruiser Commands and whatever they come up with for Sci ships is meant to try and make them as viable as Escorts.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    And then the escorts will get one, and the cycle of power creep will be complete!

    Did the escorts get Comm array?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I'd rather see it get something for Science Vessels. Some kind of ability similar to the Comm Array but with a Science spin.

    Subsystem targeting as implemented is basically useless and not a good excuse to take anything away from science vessels. Sensor analysis is a bit better, but it's really missing that science vibe.
    If you listen to the most recent Geko podcast he talks about a Secondary Deflector Array ability, similar to Comm Arrays, that they're tentatively discussing for Sci ships in the future.
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  • aegon1iceaegon1ice Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It's a Science ship. It should get the special command abilities when Science ships get their secondary deflector feature.
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    You have to admit though.... For most Science ships the Nebula is kinda an ugly kit-bash of the Galaxy turned upside-down and with a "mission pod" on top... making it this just hulking mass of a science ship.... It may not have teh offensive capabilities of a crusier... but it sure fits the "ERRMAGURRD IZZ HURRRGE!" feature....
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sunseahl wrote: »
    You have to admit though.... For most Science ships the Nebula is kinda an ugly kit-bash of the Galaxy turned upside-down and with a "mission pod" on top... making it this just hulking mass of a science ship.... It may not have teh offensive capabilities of a crusier... but it sure fits the "ERRMAGURRD IZZ HURRRGE!" feature....
    The strange thing for me is that I'm not a fan of the Galaxy, but I love the Nebula. It makes no sense, but I guess that's why beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :)
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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I'd rather see it get something for Science Vessels. Some kind of ability similar to the Comm Array but with a Science spin.

    Subsystem targeting as implemented is basically useless and not a good excuse to take anything away from science vessels. Sensor analysis is a bit better, but it's really missing that science vibe.

    With the availability of Placate procs, I'd argue that the Subsystem Targeting is far superior to Sensor Analysis. The upcoming CrtH consoles are unlikely to make Sensor Analysis any more effective. Similarly, I'm not sure a single fighter-only hangar bay is worth missing out on the two Cruiser Commands beyond the "Shields Up!" and "Kick Me" auras. Then there's the Bortasqu'... if anything deserves a "Kick Me" aura it's that thing :P

    A new mechanic for Science Vessels would be nice, too. My guess is that it will end up as something halfway between Singularity Powers and Subsystem Targeting, and replace the latter. I always found it odd that Subsystem Targeting wasn't more of a Tactical thing. Maybe an advanced Deflector, that grants tier 1/rank 1 Science abilities like Jam Sensors, Polarize Hull, Tachyon Beam, and Tractor Beam. Of course, since you can't rank them up they wouldn't be nearly as effective as the true boff abilities, but more... "science-y?"... than Subsystem Targeting. Which is trained as a Tactical boff ability. Not Science.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,905 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    While we're at it can I get some commands for mah Vesta? It's the size of a Cruiser after all? :P
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The strange thing for me is that I'm not a fan of the Galaxy, but I love the Nebula. It makes no sense, but I guess that's why beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :)

    Well I like the Galaxy ... and I like the Nebula too. But the ship has terrible stats, terrible BOFF slots and overall poor performance. It is very much the "Worst of Both Worlds". ;)

    Adding a secondary comm array or cruiser commands will do exactly bubkes.
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